Iron Man 2: Movie Discussion (Possible Spoilers)

#1 Posted by bingbangboom (782 posts) - - Show Bio

I have midnight showing tickets for tomorrow and my girlfriend is even more excited about it than I am. It should be awesome!

#2 Posted by bingbangboom (782 posts) - - Show Bio

Just saw it and it was awesome and fun, something alot of movies are not these days.

#3 Posted by robokungfu (183 posts) - - Show Bio

I just got back home and was sadly disappointed.  I'm now convinced the first movie was some kind of a fluke.  It had to have been.  There was wave after wave of overacted dialog and it was punctuated by three measly action scenes.The middle of which was stupid and totally pointless.   It was like the CG department kept running out of disc space before they could make the action scenes interesting.    There is no story of which to speak.  The script was more concerned sneaking in Easter eggs for some unwatchable Avengers movie to be made in the near future than a good solid story.  However it wasn't all a terrible affair.  Downey proves once again he is born to be Tony Stark, and it's a real kick to see him REALLY enjoy being Iron Man instead of some kind of tragic figure.  Also points for Ms. Johansson busting out some moves.  But still, all the hype and we get this mess?

#4 Edited by MysterioMaximus (951 posts) - - Show Bio

 

I was kind of disappointed in Iron Man 2. I didn’t think it was bad, the action was outstanding...but I just didn’t feel the heart of the original. It felt very mindless and superficial, whereas to me the first had a lot of underlying ethical themes. It wasn't about the fight scenes; it was about why he was fighting. It delved into the psychology and moral dilemmas of being a weapons manufacturer, that crisis of conscience. This time around I felt more like it was a spectacle just to be a superficially cheap eye-candy event. It felt far more camp cliché blockbuster-ish and manufactured. But my biggest issue lied in the dialogue. The humor in this lacked much of the wit seen in the former; instead it's replaced with kid-friendly goofball comedy and horrible one-liners. I wouldn't say the original is devoid of that, but the seriousness of the predecessor just isn't present here. In fact, it's seriously dumbed down.

 
 So much of the film felt like a filler issue in a comic book. While Whiplash was probably my favorite new role, he himself never felt especially threatening and was ultimately dispatched pretty quickly. It almost feels like an overindulgent Iron Man story, made less for the title character and more just as a glorified setup for the Avengers. It doesn’t feel required viewing to me in any way. Seeing what Favreau can do, I can’t help but feel he somewhat lowered himself to Hollywood Michael Bay levels. The film isn’t bad enough to say I feel betrayed, it’s rather good at accomplishing certain things, but I’d certainly say it’s disappointing enough to say claims of it failing to be a worthy sequel.  

#5 Posted by Chane (557 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought the end battle sequence was anticlimatic and found Rockwell's Hammer more irritating than threatening, sinister or dangerous. 
I was also saddened that Black Widow never used a Russian accent.

#6 Posted by Grim (2185 posts) - - Show Bio

 i loved it. it was more action and "oh $#!T" than story, but i honestly expected it to be all show and no substance when they put Scarlet in it (cuz thats basically all you get from her. Shes like the female Ashton Kutcher.Pretty, bnut nothing special outside of a role thats parallel to her everyday life).
 
...was that Thor they tossed in Ivans Cell and blew up?

#7 Posted by bingbangboom (782 posts) - - Show Bio
@Grim said:
"  i loved it. it was more action and "oh $#!T" than story, but i honestly expected it to be all show and no substance when they put Scarlet in it (cuz thats basically all you get from her. Shes like the female Ashton Kutcher.Pretty, bnut nothing special outside of a role thats parallel to her everyday life).  ...was that Thor they tossed in Ivans Cell and blew up? "
No, was just a random guy. Thor is not in the movie. 
 
I really thought it was a great movie though, not sure what people were looking for though. I think people are trying to compare it to The Dark Knight which is a much darker story, this is not that. Sure there are moments that deal with his mortality, which is the overall theme with the Stark Legacy, but I thought it was handled well. I don't really agree with the movie being a "mess" and thought the humor was there.
#8 Posted by Grim (2185 posts) - - Show Bio
@bingbangboom said:
" @Grim said:
"  i loved it. it was more action and "oh $#!T" than story, but i honestly expected it to be all show and no substance when they put Scarlet in it (cuz thats basically all you get from her. Shes like the female Ashton Kutcher.Pretty, bnut nothing special outside of a role thats parallel to her everyday life).  ...was that Thor they tossed in Ivans Cell and blew up? "
No, was just a random guy. Thor is not in the movie.  I really thought it was a great movie though, not sure what people were looking for though. I think people are trying to compare it to The Dark Knight which is a much darker story, this is not that. Sure there are moments that deal with his mortality, which is the overall theme with the Stark Legacy, but I thought it was handled well. I don't really agree with the movie being a "mess" and thought the humor was there. "
they already said he was in the same prison. He was getting his picture taken in the background and they acknowledge it was him. i only got a glimpse of the guy they threw in there, but it seems it would fit with the whole Thor gag running through the movie.
#9 Posted by danhimself (21281 posts) - - Show Bio

so I've got to ask who did Olivia Munn play?

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#10 Posted by Icon (2234 posts) - - Show Bio
@MysterioMaximus said:
"  

I was kind of disappointed in Iron Man 2. I didn’t think it was bad, the action was outstanding...but I just didn’t feel the heart of the original. It felt very mindless and superficial, whereas to me the first had a lot of underlying ethical themes. It wasn't about the fight scenes; it was about why he was fighting. It delved into the psychology and moral dilemmas of being a weapons manufacturer, that crisis of conscience. This time around I felt more like it was a spectacle just to be a superficially cheap eye-candy event. It felt far more camp cliché blockbuster-ish and manufactured. But my biggest issue lied in the dialogue. The humor in this lacked much of the wit seen in the former; instead it's replaced with kid-friendly goofball comedy and horrible one-liners. I wouldn't say the original is devoid of that, but the seriousness of the predecessor just isn't present here. In fact, it's seriously dumbed down.

 
 So much of the film felt like a filler issue in a comic book. While Whiplash was probably my favorite new role, he himself never felt especially threatening and was ultimately dispatched pretty quickly. It almost feels like an overindulgent Iron Man story, made less for the title character and more just as a glorified setup for the Avengers. It doesn’t feel required viewing to me in any way. Seeing what Favreau can do, I can’t help but feel he somewhat lowered himself to Hollywood Michael Bay levels. The film isn’t bad enough to say I feel betrayed, it’s rather good at accomplishing certain things, but I’d certainly say it’s disappointing enough to say claims of it failing to be a worthy sequel.  

"
Sadly, I felt the same way. I think one of the main problems was the new writer. If they had kept the writing team from the first film (the guys who also wrote Children of Men) then I don't think the new movie would have been dumbed down as much as it was. I still enjoyed it, and I got a kick out of seeing where they're going with these characters on the way to the Avengers, but you're right. This is not a "must see" kinda movie, unless you're a big Iron Man fan of course. 
#11 Posted by MysterioMaximus (951 posts) - - Show Bio
@Icon said:
" @MysterioMaximus said:
"  

I was kind of disappointed in Iron Man 2. I didn’t think it was bad, the action was outstanding...but I just didn’t feel the heart of the original. It felt very mindless and superficial, whereas to me the first had a lot of underlying ethical themes. It wasn't about the fight scenes; it was about why he was fighting. It delved into the psychology and moral dilemmas of being a weapons manufacturer, that crisis of conscience. This time around I felt more like it was a spectacle just to be a superficially cheap eye-candy event. It felt far more camp cliché blockbuster-ish and manufactured. But my biggest issue lied in the dialogue. The humor in this lacked much of the wit seen in the former; instead it's replaced with kid-friendly goofball comedy and horrible one-liners. I wouldn't say the original is devoid of that, but the seriousness of the predecessor just isn't present here. In fact, it's seriously dumbed down.

 
 So much of the film felt like a filler issue in a comic book. While Whiplash was probably my favorite new role, he himself never felt especially threatening and was ultimately dispatched pretty quickly. It almost feels like an overindulgent Iron Man story, made less for the title character and more just as a glorified setup for the Avengers. It doesn’t feel required viewing to me in any way. Seeing what Favreau can do, I can’t help but feel he somewhat lowered himself to Hollywood Michael Bay levels. The film isn’t bad enough to say I feel betrayed, it’s rather good at accomplishing certain things, but I’d certainly say it’s disappointing enough to say claims of it failing to be a worthy sequel.  

"
Sadly, I felt the same way. I think one of the main problems was the new writer. If they had kept the writing team from the first film (the guys who also wrote Children of Men) then I don't think the new movie would have been dumbed down as much as it was. I still enjoyed it, and I got a kick out of seeing where they're going with these characters on the way to the Avengers, but you're right. This is not a "must see" kinda movie, unless you're a big Iron Man fan of course.  "

Whoo! And here I was starting to think I was pretty much alone around here. So many around these parts seemed to like it quite a bit. I just don't see what they're seeing, but that's me. So your post was really refreshing. However it does seem to be that a lot of outside people aren't all that wild about it. The total worst for me was just the sheer amount of comedy. The first film was funny, but at the right times. I felt this film was one step below a comedy, it had way too many humorous moments and way too few serious and especially emotional. And sadly the most emotional scenes for me, when he finds out his father did care for him, he creates the new element, and his life is saved...was completely ruined too by just a TON of corny jokes. I can't help but feel that the original writers would have played those scenes straight, no comedic value there. This flick just really lacked any and all seriousness the first one had.
#12 Posted by DH69 (4324 posts) - - Show Bio

does whiplash turn into crimson dynamo by the end of the movie? cause if not who's the final fight against cause those drones look like they're gettin their asses kicked

#13 Posted by bingbangboom (782 posts) - - Show Bio
@DH69 said:
" does whiplash turn into crimson dynamo by the end of the movie? cause if not who's the final fight against cause those drones look like they're gettin their asses kicked "
Spoilers:
 
 
 
 
 
It is Whiplash still but he now has a full suit with bigger whips. Sorry don't know how to do the Spoilers pull down thing.
#14 Posted by bingbangboom (782 posts) - - Show Bio
@danhimself said:
" so I've got to ask who did Olivia Munn play? "
She basically played herself, just a random TV reporter covering the Stark Expo.
#15 Posted by MysterioMaximus (951 posts) - - Show Bio
#16 Edited by Hellos (8870 posts) - - Show Bio
@MysterioMaximus said:

"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsqOZ92gklc 
 In my opinion, this is basically Iron Man 2 to a tee. "


Not sure I agree.  
 
Terrance Howard was just a tad angry at Marvel for not doing exactly what he wanted, so they kicked him out and slapped someone that probably is a better actor in general. (If your reading Terrance, nothing against you I just like Don's performances more, But to be fair I don't think I've quite seen all your films, so I could be wrong)
 
He's making a few assumptions like Rhodey never tried on the suit prior(Pretty much suggested he wanted to try it out in the last film I don't see why his best buddy wouldn't let him try it out) or that Stark didn't make the suit more easily usuable for newbies. Kept calling Iron Man's suit Iron (RAWWRRR). But I agree Pepper didn't get the same lovey dovey scenes like in her in the first film, probably going to be a few deleted scenes, like the helmet kiss, that we missed involving their relationship, but we did atleast see one near the end. That and I don't believe they upgraded the suit just to sell toys, Iron Man's whole MO revolves around multiple suits as tech gets better. 
 
Overall I didn't walk away with a sour taste in my mouth, instead I'm hyped for whenever next we see Tony and Thor whos cumming up next.

#17 Posted by DH69 (4324 posts) - - Show Bio

saw iron man 2 today TWICE, and im wondering was that really a thor cameo when stark was walkin thru the prison. cause i remember months ago there was some speculation on that and i swear that dude looked alot like chris whatshisface.

#18 Posted by War Killer (20880 posts) - - Show Bio
@DH69: It wasn't, I was looking for it when (and I also saw the movie twice) Tony was walking through the prison, but the scene was to fast for anyone to see it.
#19 Posted by War Killer (20880 posts) - - Show Bio
@bingbangboom said:
" @danhimself said:
" so I've got to ask who did Olivia Munn play? "
She basically played herself, just a random TV reporter covering the Stark Expo. "
Yeah, both myself and my father were looking for her, and when she popped up, we almost missed it because it was so random. She defiantly won't be playing the Wasp or Spider-Woman. 
#20 Posted by DH69 (4324 posts) - - Show Bio

coulda sworn the dude looked exactly like chris whatshisface

#21 Posted by War Killer (20880 posts) - - Show Bio
@DH69: He didn't look like this:

Chris Hemsworth as Thor


#22 Posted by DH69 (4324 posts) - - Show Bio

same length of hair and facial hair though. although his hair did look darker

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