does anyone elese think tony stark is a complete douche?

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#1 Posted by Powerzone789 (430 posts) - - Show Bio

lets see, there was armor wars, he's a never recovering alcoholic. he supported the registration act, arrested captain america, cloned thor that led to the death of bill foster, and was too weak to prevent norman osborn from gaining control...AND he still argues with steve now that steve has his old job....

#2 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not his biggest fan, but I know a lot of people on here are; so get ready for flaming :)

#3 Posted by Edamame (27939 posts) - - Show Bio
@Powerzone789 said:
" lets see, there was armor wars, he's a never recovering alcoholic. he supported the registration act, arrested captain america, cloned thor that led to the death of bill foster, and was too weak to prevent norman osborn from gaining control...AND he still argues with steve now that steve has his old job.... "
I did not like the Iron Man from the Civil War story arc.
#4 Posted by PrinceIMC (5421 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah. But that's kinda the point of Tony.

#5 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8736 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh come on, love him or hate him can anyone honestly look at that picture and think he's not at least a little of a douchebag

#6 Posted by gambit987 (1275 posts) - - Show Bio

I like him. It's a man with a lot of troubles. but He doesn't drink anymore (maybe a few times) and he really trise to be better person but sometimes he takes the "wrong" chose and sometimes his arogant side emerges. Read the invincible Iron Man stories by Matt Fraction and you see his reel feelings and his inner layers.
(ps. he is number 1 on my favorite superhero list)

#7 Posted by Mediant (329 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach: Exactly. I like him and I think he's a douche. Definitely not mutually exclusive feelings.
#8 Posted by VIZION2011 (1675 posts) - - Show Bio

I love him becuase he's a douche and not your typical boring hero

#9 Posted by -chapel- (379 posts) - - Show Bio
@Powerzone789:

I'm so glad some one finally said this. I really never liked Iron Man all that much as a character. My brothers loves him and through out the years I would only snag his War Machine comics if I wanted to read some Iron Man stuff. The whole Civil War arc was pretty lame IMO anyway. Well, the Iron Spider was dope but....
#10 Posted by xybernauts (858 posts) - - Show Bio

Well I like the comic book version. He made mistakes, but I thought it was real cool how he took charge. He wanted to police the situation in the Civil War because he didn't want someone who was less sympathetic to the plight of superheros to take the helm.  
 
Are you sure that your not associating the image of Tony as portrayed by   Robert Downey Jr., and projecting it onto all portrayals of Tony Stark; because honestly I thought Tony Stark in Iron Man 2 was a massive douche.  Downey's portrayal in Iron Man was cool though. 


#11 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@xybernauts said:
 
Are you sure that your not associating the image of Tony as portrayed by   Robert Downey Jr., and projecting it onto all portrayals of Tony Stark; because honestly I thought Tony Stark in Iron Man 2 was a massive douche.  Downey's portrayal in Iron Man was cool though. 


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I'm doing that all the time now. I'm really trying hard to stop; it's the sole source of my animosity towards Tony. I found Stark to be an insufferable A-hole in IM 2. I preferred Justin Hammer lol.
#12 Posted by Powerzone789 (430 posts) - - Show Bio
@-chapel- said:
" @Powerzone789: I'm so glad some one finally said this. I really never liked Iron Man all that much as a character. My brothers loves him and through out the years I would only snag his War Machine comics if I wanted to read some Iron Man stuff. The whole Civil War arc was pretty lame IMO anyway. Well, the Iron Spider was dope but.... "
i akways preferred war machine..i think i jus like rhodeys character. @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @xybernauts said:
 
Are you sure that your not associating the image of Tony as portrayed by   Robert Downey Jr., and projecting it onto all portrayals of Tony Stark; because honestly I thought Tony Stark in Iron Man 2 was a massive douche.  Downey's portrayal in Iron Man was cool though. 


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I'm doing that all the time now. I'm really trying hard to stop; it's the sole source of my animosity towards Tony. I found Stark to be an insufferable A-hole in IM 2. I preferred Justin Hammer lol. "
me too haha i still have to see iron man 2 but robert downy jr. was like...ya he just is tony stark@harleenquinzel10 said:
" hes supposed to be a bit ignorant, but i dont think hes a douche. I mean, most of the time hes just trying to do the right thing, thats the point of being a superhero. if he was a douche, hed be a villian. simple as that. "
true thats what all heroes try to do...but i think he poulls off the douche while still doing it
#13 Posted by harleenquinzel10 (35 posts) - - Show Bio
@Powerzone789:
i guess thats true, but like i said before, hes just an ignorant person who is used to getting everything he wants. I suppose that could come over as "douchey" but i definatly dont think he realizes it.
#14 Posted by danhimself (22270 posts) - - Show Bio
@Powerzone789 said:
" lets see, there was armor wars, he's a never recovering alcoholic. he supported the registration act, arrested captain america, cloned thor that led to the death of bill foster, and was too weak to prevent norman osborn from gaining control...AND he still argues with steve now that steve has his old job.... "
he hasn't drank in the comics for years now, the Registration act was a good idea just poorly executed, Captain America realized that he was wrong and turned himself in otherwise he would have never been caught, Reed and the Pym skrull were the ones who were mostly behind the Thor clone,  he did everything he could to prevent Norman from taking control he even went as far as to wipe his brain clean Norman was given control by the President, and friends argue that's that
#15 Posted by ShirEPanjshir (587 posts) - - Show Bio

This all is very similar to the http://www.comicvine.com/iron-man/29-1455/so-in-the-registration-act-storyarc-iron-man-was-a-bad-guy/92-567029/#39 topic.
Yes he's a douche, he's supposed to be a wealthy, arrogant, ego-tripping douche. But you can't blame all those things on him ( check the above topic for that discussion ).
And as said; he hasn't drank for years and is clean ( even after the hell he's been through lately ). It's just a part of his "charm" as a character to be douchy, yet still be a very efficient hero.
The same as it's Deadpool's "charm" to be so mouthy or Wolverine 's "charm" to be so gritty & violent, etc.

#16 Posted by xybernauts (858 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @xybernauts said:
Are you sure that your not associating the image of Tony as portrayed by   Robert Downey Jr., and projecting it onto all portrayals of Tony Stark; because honestly I thought Tony Stark in Iron Man 2 was a massive douche.  Downey's portrayal in Iron Man was cool though. 
I'm doing that all the time now. I'm really trying hard to stop; it's the sole source of my animosity towards Tony. I found Stark to be an insufferable A-hole in IM 2. I preferred Justin Hammer lol. "
Iron Man in Iron Man two reminded me of a really really bad version of Booster Gold from DC comics. 
#17 Posted by ForbushBug (496 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, he's a douche. Keep in mind that the majority of Iron Man's adventures, especially during his first few decades, have been about have been about protecting his company's assets, a company whose main business for several years was selling arms. He wasn't going on patrol and protecting regular guys, he was more worried about his ability to sell weapons to the government.

#18 Posted by Vance Astro (91105 posts) - - Show Bio

I like how people blame Stark for making Ragnarok when Reed and Pym helped and Pym probably had more input than all of them. 
I also like how someone could blame Tony for Norman taking control when it had nothing to do with him.If anyone is to blame it's Nick Fury and Deadpool.Hell if we're being completely picky, it's Swordsman's fault for not killing him in that fight.

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#19 Posted by Sarpio__ (122 posts) - - Show Bio

Nah, not me.

#20 Posted by longbowhunter (6725 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Tony because he is kind of a douche. Just like with Guy Gardner or Steve Carell on the Office. They're all fantastic characters, but I'd never wanna be around them.
#21 Posted by HarlequinKiss (441 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought his character was meant  to be a douche. I love him for it though. There's nothing like a good villain or a bad hero.

#22 Posted by Fire-brand (2308 posts) - - Show Bio

well, he was a bit of a douche back when he was drinking. but now that he's lost his memory and is genuinely trying to pull his life together he's a much more sympathetic character.

#23 Posted by Knightofthelight95 (28 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok, Tony DID go a little overboard in Armor Wars. But, Never recovering alcoholic? You MUST be kidding me, he hasn't touched the stuff since that one page in Civil War which I thought that was a completely terrible scene, Now, Stark will not touch it at ALL unless it's a touchy scene of him taking the bottle and putting it back in the cabinet. He RIGHTFULLY supported the act. And arresting a criminal is bad? Jeez I didn't know that. Cap went against what THE PEOPLE wanted, effectively going against the basic founation of America. Cap was an idiot during Civil War. And I dont think I even HAVE to get into the Osborne stuff.
#24 Posted by SpidermanWins (3975 posts) - - Show Bio

Finally someone who understands and yes I do.

#25 Posted by The Mango (1477 posts) - - Show Bio
@Knightofthelight95 said:
" Ok, Tony DID go a little overboard in Armor Wars. But, Never recovering alcoholic? You MUST be kidding me, he hasn't touched the stuff since that one page in Civil War which I thought that was a completely terrible scene, Now, Stark will not touch it at ALL unless it's a touchy scene of him taking the bottle and putting it back in the cabinet. He RIGHTFULLY supported the act. And arresting a criminal is bad? Jeez I didn't know that. Cap went against what THE PEOPLE wanted, effectively going against the basic founation of America. Cap was an idiot during Civil War. And I dont think I even HAVE to get into the Osborne stuff. "
The scene with Sue Richards where he kills happy? I thought that was a fantastic scene.
#26 Posted by ShirEPanjshir (587 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
If anyone is to blame it's Nick Fury and Deadpool. "
Heh. Honestly if that were the case, I think the blame would be on Nick Fury, he should've been able to provide a totally secure line, since I really doubt whether Deadpool would be able to do anything remotely like that, not exactly the biggest tech genius there ;). But I totally agree, you can't really put the blame on Iron Man for what happened with Osborn etc.
#27 Posted by Vance Astro (91105 posts) - - Show Bio

The Iron Man is a douche stuff is a bandwagon thing.In all honesty if you actually read his comics everything he does is to either advanace technology who to help people.Even the registration act was an attempt to help the superhero community and keep them away from the backlash of the public.The stamford incident wasn't the fault of the New Warriors but alot of them died along with some students.People were afraid.Tony was looking for away to get the public to not be afraid and trust them again.

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#28 Posted by stikfigureman2d (53 posts) - - Show Bio

Its what he is, sometimes I like it for that, other times I just wanna punch him, it's a love/hate relationship
#29 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

The only reason I like Tony Stark is the fact that he IS a douchebag. He's got every reason to be, lol.

#30 Edited by CATMANEXE (17052 posts) - - Show Bio
@Powerzone789 said:

" does anyone else think that tony stark is a complete douche?  "

 
To be honest i wasn't ever aware that his armor had the ability to complete that process
until you mentioned it...
#31 Posted by ironshadow (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

everyone has his ups and downs but i don't think he's a complete douche 

#32 Posted by realsilverjunk (334 posts) - - Show Bio

Aw I like Stark. He let's the heroes stay in his house, he acts cool, and he works hard on making weapons for everyone. I don't think he's a douche. 

#33 Posted by Sexy Merc (42071 posts) - - Show Bio

Definitely not

#34 Posted by ComicMan24 (147042 posts) - - Show Bio
@Invincible Iron Man said:
" Some hate Superman because he's too perfect, others hate Iron Man because he's too human. Just can't please some people. "
So true.
#35 Posted by drkhwk2001 (4433 posts) - - Show Bio

Summers Eve.

#36 Posted by Evil Incarnate (3710 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Man is great. Tony Stark is a douche. Just like how Bruce Wayne is a tool but, Batman is just an asshole. Smart but, an asshole non the less.

#37 Posted by Larkin1388 (1760 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach: i think hes what every man would want to be: rich, genius, and a suave ladies man... who wouldnt want that....
#38 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8736 posts) - - Show Bio
@Larkin1388 said:
" @Crom-Cruach: i think hes what every man would want to be: rich, genius, and a suave ladies man... who wouldnt want that.... "
Being rich and suave is one thing. Being a douche like Tony Stark is another. You can be rich and suave without being a douche.
#39 Posted by ShirEPanjshir (587 posts) - - Show Bio
@Evil Incarnate: Why the hell would Batman be an asshole?
  
@Crom-Cruach:  I think it would be kind of hard to have such a level of genius, constantly meet people who are dumber than you, and not become at least a bit douchy about this. Having this, plus all the money and women ( however in a less amount in the current state he's in ), wouldn't help either. I'm not saying you have to become a douche because if this, I'm saying it's easier to become a douche under these circumstances.
#40 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12501 posts) - - Show Bio

He isnt a douche. hes just done some bad thigs with the best intentions. 
 
the Ragnarok thing was horrible but He,Reed and Criti Noll are all EQUALLY responsible for that  
 
supporting registration during Civil War was what Tony thought was the right thing to do, wich was all he was obliged to do in that kind of situation. 
 
Even though i have no love for him and i wholeheartedly supported the Ant-Reg movement , i understand for the most bpart why he did some of these things

#41 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@Invincible Iron Man said:
" Some hate Superman because he's too perfect, others hate Iron Man because he's too human. Just can't please some people. "
Iron Man isn't too human. He's an adrenaline junkie super genius with more money than anyone else in the world. Clark Kent is far easier to relate to than Tony.
#42 Posted by ShirEPanjshir (587 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt: He's broke. Meaning: he doesn't have that amount of money anymore. He even had to use Reed Richards resources to create his newest suit..
#43 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@ShirEPanjshir: Fair call :)
#44 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8736 posts) - - Show Bio
@ShirEPanjshir said:
" I'm not saying you have to become a douche because if this, I'm saying it's easier to become a douche under these circumstances. "
Still doesn't mean you have to become a douche or that it justifies your douchyness. It doesn't.
#45 Edited by ShirEPanjshir (587 posts) - - Show Bio

 
@FadeToBlackBolt:
The rest of your comment was correct though. He is a super genius and an adrenaline junkie. Though I agree that I can relate more to Tony Stark and his problems than Superman, which doesn't mean I dislike Superman. I just think most people like that there heroes have some (big) faults to humanize them. Like a lot of people totally disliked Tony Stark before, and now he's really a sympathetic character with his whole fall from grace etc.
 
@Crom-Cruach said:

" @ShirEPanjshir said:

" I'm not saying you have to become a douche because if this, I'm saying it's easier to become a douche under these circumstances. "

Still doesn't mean you have to become a douche or that it justifies your douchyness. It doesn't. "
Uhm..
#46 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8736 posts) - - Show Bio
@ShirEPanjshir said:
"  
Uhm.. "
What I meant was that I agree with your statement that his being smart and suave and rich makes it easier for him to be a douche. But that I also believe it doesn't justify his behavior at all.
#47 Posted by ShirEPanjshir (587 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach: Oh. Well yes that's true. It doesn't justify some of his behavior. It only explains it a bit further, but it indeed doesn't justify it.
Though the current Tony Stark isn't a douche .. or at least not that much.
#48 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8736 posts) - - Show Bio
@ShirEPanjshir said:
" Though the current Tony Stark isn't a douche .. or at least not that much. "
 
Honestly, I wouldn't know and I don't really care, no offense meant or anything. But I've given up on Marvel a long time ago.
#49 Posted by solidejake (28 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:
" Oh come on, love him or hate him can anyone honestly look at that picture and think he's not at least a little of a douchebag
"
I love Iron Man. But it's basically factual that he is an arrogant prick. I mean, Civil War is seriously metaphorically proof of that.
#50 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Tony not being a douche is like... Spider-Man not having a sense of humor or Wolverine being nice. It just doesn't work. It's why he works as a character and is considered one of those famous flaws.

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