Bleeding edge or extremis poll

#1 Posted by Zachattack1239 (110 posts) - - Show Bio
#2 Posted by Zachattack1239 (110 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally prefer extremis

#3 Posted by katanalauncher (937 posts) - - Show Bio

Extremis just looks cooler.

Although I do like the concept of Bleeding Edge.

#4 Posted by daredevil21134 (12116 posts) - - Show Bio

Extremis forever!!!!!!

#5 Posted by Nova`Prime` (4165 posts) - - Show Bio

Extremis is by far the more advanced, but Bleeding Edge looks awesome, the name isn't that awesome though, cool but not Extremis or even Centurion cool.

#6 Posted by daredevil21134 (12116 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nova`Prime` said:
Extremis is by far the more advanced, but Bleeding Edge looks awesome, the name isn't that awesome though, cool but not Extremis or even Centurion cool.
agreed
#7 Posted by ShirEPanjshir (588 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nova`Prime` said:
Extremis is by far the more advanced, but Bleeding Edge looks awesome, the name isn't that awesome though, cool but not Extremis or even Centurion cool.
Uhm. How can Extremis be 'far more advanced' while the Bleeding Edge is the most recent ( and current ) armor that Tony is 'wearing'? That would mean that Tony Stark didn't upgrade, but downgraded his own armor. Which wouldn't even take a genius to figure out that it's a stupid move to make.
#8 Posted by Zachattack1239 (110 posts) - - Show Bio
@ShirEPanjshir: your right, but extremis is a better armor for many different reasons. Not from a performance stand point though
#9 Posted by Nova`Prime` (4165 posts) - - Show Bio
@ShirEPanjshir: I am not up on everything the new armor can do, but I am pretty sure it can't do everything Extremis could, and actually I think that's what Tony wanted, he wanted to get back to being the man inside the armor and not just the armor.
#10 Posted by karrob (4280 posts) - - Show Bio

Bleeding edge

#11 Edited by ShirEPanjshir (588 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nova`Prime`: Uhm. No? The entire Bleeding Edge armor resides within Tony Stark now. If anything, Tony has effectively made himself to be a cyborg. The Bleeding Edge armor is a part of Tony Stark's now-posthuman biology - it is stored inside Tony's body in its entirety, "manifesting" itself when mentally commanded. Similar to Extremis, but Extremis never stored the entire armor inside of his body. Which now is in fact the case.
 
Anyway, just to clarify: I really don't have a favorite. They're both awesome. I kind of like the Extremis look a bit better, I think.
#12 Posted by daredevil21134 (12116 posts) - - Show Bio
@ShirEPanjshir said:
@Nova`Prime`: Uhm. No? The entire Bleeding Edge armor resides within Tony Stark now. If anything, Tony has effectively made himself to be a cyborg. The Bleeding Edge armor is a part of Tony Stark's now-posthuman biology - it is stored inside Tony's body in its entirety, "manifesting" itself when mentally commanded. Similar to Extremis, but Extremis never stored the entire armor inside of his body. Which now is in fact the case.  Anyway, just to clarify: I really don't have a favorite. They're both awesome. I kind of like the Extremis look a bit better, I think.
Very good answer
#13 Edited by War Killer (20343 posts) - - Show Bio

Bleeding Edge Armor

 Tony likes donuts, and I do too :P
#14 Posted by Man of Lengend (1001 posts) - - Show Bio

bleeding edge has cooler abilities, but in recent comics he doesnt really show what his armor can do ....................  
 
so since i have seen all the epicness of extremis, and since it looks sleeker,  ill take extremis FTW

#15 Posted by Duncan (11447 posts) - - Show Bio

Bleeding edge

#16 Posted by Billy Batson (58153 posts) - - Show Bio

BB

#17 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio
@War Killer said:
Bleeding Edge Armor
 Tony likes donuts, and I do too :P
Thissssss. I love how in recent stuff (Carnage, Iron Man, Fear Itself) he's really showing off his "I CAN TURN MY ARMS INTO GUNS" routine. Epic stuff. 
#18 Posted by Zachattack1239 (110 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm about to cry... I can't believe people actually prefer bleeding edge over extremis. Extremis is the superior armor... it's basically the same thing but with a better concept, a better look, and a better back story. I hate how bleeding edge is infused into his skin, it makes him to superhuman for my liking. I liked being able to put tony in the same category as batman (no superpowers) The armor is growing on me but i still believe that extremis is a way better armor

#19 Posted by batflasharrow96 (445 posts) - - Show Bio

Bleeding Edge isn't as advanced as Extremis and it just feels like a downgrade. It's still cool but Extremis was a perfect concept for Iron Man in my opinion. Bleeding Edge is too light looking too.

#20 Posted by daredevil21134 (12116 posts) - - Show Bio
@batflasharrow96 said:
Bleeding Edge isn't as advanced as Extremis and it just feels like a downgrade. It's still cool but Extremis was a perfect concept for Iron Man in my opinion. Bleeding Edge is too light looking too.
I agree
#21 Posted by daredevil21134 (12116 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zachattack1239 said:
I'm about to cry... I can't believe people actually prefer bleeding edge over extremis. Extremis is the superior armor... it's basically the same thing but with a better concept, a better look, and a better back story. I hate how bleeding edge is infused into his skin, it makes him to superhuman for my liking. I liked being able to put tony in the same category as batman (no superpowers) The armor is growing on me but i still believe that extremis is a way better armor
LOL I hear ya buddy
#22 Posted by Zachattack1239 (110 posts) - - Show Bio
@batflasharrow96: I agree and i disagree. One of the things i don't like about the bleeding edge is that it is TO advanced. I hate how its infused into his skin... Extremis was a perfect way to evolve the armor without taking to far. Bleeding Edge crossed the line 
#23 Posted by Loki9876 (3051 posts) - - Show Bio

bleeding edge is more advanced than extremis it's like an up-graded version of extremis

#24 Posted by gnessa14 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

Extremis all the way.  It has just the right amount of sleekness without looking like a skintight bodysuit which is what happens to Bleeding Edge.  I find the whole thing about a giant gun being made out of the Bleeding Edge suit somewhat absurd due to its size.

Also, Tony walks around naked and shape-shifts his IM suit into his clothes is kinda like Mystique which is... weird.

#25 Posted by daredevil21134 (12116 posts) - - Show Bio
@gnessa14 said:

Extremis all the way.  It has just the right amount of sleekness without looking like a skintight bodysuit which is what happens to Bleeding Edge.  I find the whole thing about a giant gun being made out of the Bleeding Edge suit somewhat absurd due to its size.

Also, Tony walks around naked and shape-shifts his IM suit into his clothes is kinda like Mystique which is... weird.

Yup
#26 Posted by batflasharrow96 (445 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zachattack1239: What part do you disagree with.
#27 Posted by primepower53 (5686 posts) - - Show Bio

Extremis

#28 Posted by Zachattack1239 (110 posts) - - Show Bio
@batflasharrow96: i disagree with the fact that you think extremis is more advanced. Bleeding edge is way more advanced but that doesn't make it a better armor
#29 Posted by The_Tree (7735 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Bleeding Edge more, It's got a cooler style and functionality.

#30 Posted by batflasharrow96 (445 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zachattack1239: Yeah, I kind of got mixed up. I meant that. 
#31 Posted by gnessa14 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

Is it possible that in the future, Tony has to downgrade his armor back to Extremis due to issues with Bleeding Edge?  Say, for an example, it's taxing on his nerve system, he gets infection due to storing the outershell in his bones (and all the dust/broken bits on the armor), etc.

Alright, it's not as if I want anymore bad things to happen to Tony but Bleeding Edge needs to go.

#32 Posted by _slim_ (13258 posts) - - Show Bio

Bleeding Edge.

#33 Posted by pepperr (96 posts) - - Show Bio

@daredevil21134 said:

@batflasharrow96 said:
Bleeding Edge isn't as advanced as Extremis and it just feels like a downgrade. It's still cool but Extremis was a perfect concept for Iron Man in my opinion. Bleeding Edge is too light looking too.
I agree

You trolling? You just supported an answer that took the opposite side of the above post by Batflasharrow.

#34 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

@gnessa14 said:

Is it possible that in the future, Tony has to downgrade his armor back to Extremis due to issues with Bleeding Edge? Say, for an example, it's taxing on his nerve system, he gets infection due to storing the outershell in his bones (and all the dust/broken bits on the armor), etc.

Alright, it's not as if I want anymore bad things to happen to Tony but Bleeding Edge needs to go.

eh..possibly. I think fans are really liking the fact that he doesn't have to run to a lab or carry a suitcase around. But who knows what they might do in the future.

#35 Posted by yumyumbubblegum (618 posts) - - Show Bio

If anything, Bleeding Edge makes Tony look more alien then ever, whereas Extremis was sleek and aerodynamic. Every upgrade Iron Man makes seems to headed in the right direction thus far. Wish I could say the same for War Machine.

#36 Posted by WarMachineMarkV (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

Style - The Extremis armor wins hands down. The Bleeding Edge armor is a terrible design and my eyes hurt when I see all the repulsor light brights.

Power - By the specs and the limited amount we have seen it in use, the Bleeding Edge is vastly more powerful. Holding an alternate Apocalypse in stasis effortlessly for a conversation? Repair of massive damage to perfect in seconds? WTF? I really hope they reign in the capabilities of the suit and not let it get any more out of hand.

Concept - I like parts of both, but if forced to choose I would say Extremis

#37 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@WarMachineMarkV: One of my beefs is that they are not actually portraying him as powerful as he should be. His armor is so advanced it will still be used for centuries to come and it will be the predecessor to Iron Lad's armor. And Iron Lad recently defeated Doom and Magneto at the same time in one move. His armor made Extremis look like an antique when Tony and him met in Young Avengers. So, while I understand why they are doing it (it's counterintuitive for the purposes both of a team book and a a solo book to have a protagonist that is practically a mini Kang and can take on entire teams by himself), I'd like to see him perform at higher levels every now and then, as a reminder, if nothing else. That, or Fraction could give him superior challenges to fight and operate at a higher scope.
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#38 Posted by WarMachineMarkV (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

- I'm not sure what you mean by his armor being the predecessor to the Iron Lad armor? Did they specify somewhere that the suit Kang gave his younger self was based off of future StarkTech?

- I can see the stylistic similarities between the Bleeding Edge and Iron Lad armor but have never heard anything to show this to be more than Kang Jr basing it visually off of an Iron Man armor from the past (from his perspective)

- If Kang did have access to future StarkTech, why was it not exploited against Iron Man in prior encounters?

- Considering Kang has access to all known technology of the future, I would expect that Iron Lad would at the very least be as powerful as Stark's current armor. While Stark is far ahead of current technology, 500 years in the future is another matter.

- I understand how at times there are points where you would feel Stark should have developed a counter to a situation, but he has to have limits or he just becomes an overpowered deus-ex-machina.

- Iron Man is already among the most powerful non-cosmic characters in the Marvel U, a versatile powerhouse near the top of the scale in multiple different aspects. He is already close to the edge of being a potential team killer, pushing him into the territory your discussing would IMO be detrimental to the character and how he could be used.

#39 Posted by fury714 (589 posts) - - Show Bio

Extremis :)

#40 Edited by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@WarMachineMarkV: Tony said it in Invincible Iron Man # 30.
 
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k560/baronhelmutzemo/various/IIM_30_0008copy.jpg
 
The kid he is referring to is Iron Lad.
 

- If Kang did have access to future StarkTech, why was it not exploited against Iron Man in prior encounters?


 
Because the development is something Fraction conjured up in the past year.
 

- Considering Kang has access to all known technology of the future, I would expect that Iron Lad would at the very least be as powerful as Stark's current armor. While Stark is far ahead of current technology, 500 years in the future is another matter.


 
The tech Iron Man created in current times is supposedly so good that it will still be of use 500 years in the future.
 

- I understand how at times there are points where you would feel Stark should have developed a counter to a situation, but he has to have limits or he just becomes an overpowered deus-ex-machina.


 
I agree.

 

- Iron Man is already among the most powerful non-cosmic characters in the Marvel U, a versatile powerhouse near the top of the scale in multiple different aspects. He is already close to the edge of being a potential team killer, pushing him into the territory your discussing would IMO be detrimental to the character and how he could be used.


 
I'm not proposing that Iron Man should be up there because I want the character to be there (I feel he's very powerful as it is), I'm saying that since the writer who is control of the character for over three years decided to take that route, he should have been able to raise the stakes as opposed to mentioning it once and then leaving it be. In Avengers, the development is not even acknowledged, and the Avengers kids that incapacitate Iron Man in the first arc even call Bleeding Edge an antique. So there are some obvious writer discrepancies, but I'll place more faith in what Iron Man's regular writer comes up with than Bendis does.

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#41 Posted by WarMachineMarkV (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

@WarMachineMarkV: Tony said it in Invincible Iron Man # 30.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k560/baronhelmutzemo/various/IIM_30_0008copy.jpg

The kid he is referring to is Iron Lad.

- If Kang did have access to future StarkTech, why was it not exploited against Iron Man in prior encounters?

Because the development is something Fraction conjured up in the past year.

- Considering Kang has access to all known technology of the future, I would expect that Iron Lad would at the very least be as powerful as Stark's current armor. While Stark is far ahead of current technology, 500 years in the future is another matter.

The tech Iron Man created in current times is supposedly so good that it will still be of use 500 years in the future.

- I understand how at times there are points where you would feel Stark should have developed a counter to a situation, but he has to have limits or he just becomes an overpowered deus-ex-machina.

I agree.


- Iron Man is already among the most powerful non-cosmic characters in the Marvel U, a versatile powerhouse near the top of the scale in multiple different aspects. He is already close to the edge of being a potential team killer, pushing him into the territory your discussing would IMO be detrimental to the character and how he could be used.

I'm not proposing that Iron Man should be up there because I want the character to be there (I feel he's very powerful as it is), I'm saying that since the writer who is control of the character for over three years decided to take that route, he should have been able to raise the stakes as opposed to mentioning it once and then leaving it be. In Avengers, the development is not even acknowledged, and the Avengers kids that incapacitate Iron Man in the first arc even call Bleeding Edge an antique. So there are some obvious writer discrepancies, but I'll place more faith in what Iron Man's regular writer comes up with than Bendis does.

1 - I know I read the issue in question, but missed the reference (as clear as day as it is now that I look at your scan). Thanks for providing the page for my benefit.

2 - I have a hard time believing any technology created today still stands up 500 years in the future, even something so far ahead of the curve as Starktech. With the exponential rate of improvement we see in our own lives, there would have to be some kind of catastrophic event that would have slowed or halted progress during this time for me to accept it at this time.

3 - I see what you mean when a character is teased in a direction,and then no development comes of it. Quality control and consistency between writers and titles is far from optimal. Stark is a pillar with a view of the heavens, but not high enough to touch or look down upon them.

#42 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@WarMachineMarkV
 
i) Don't mention it.
 
ii) I would agree. Even though I am unsure if the choice was consciously made with reasonable criteria, or was merely included in order to add an additional aspect to Iron Man's latest armor and make it "cooler", in a way. Having technology so good that Kang himself would use in centuries ahead is very flattering for Iron Man, after all, and Fraction referenced and tied-in the developments of the Young Avengers series nicely. In terms of continuity, we do know several catastrophic events are bound to happen, though, notably the Ultron War. However, I do not believe that was taken into consideration when Fraction wrote the issue, but it could work as a cohesive in-universe explanation.
 
iii) I wouldn't mind if he managed to realize his potential and achieve a higher level of power, but I'd rather it was done as an examination of the consequences that level of power would have on him and others around him, and only for a short time frame, preferably for a single story arc or so, rather than it being a permanent development.
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#43 Posted by RainEffect (3240 posts) - - Show Bio

@Zachattack1239 said:

I'm about to cry... I can't believe people actually prefer bleeding edge over extremis. Extremis is the superior armor... it's basically the same thing but with a better concept, a better look, and a better back story. I hate how bleeding edge is infused into his skin, it makes him to superhuman for my liking. I liked being able to put tony in the same category as batman (no superpowers) The armor is growing on me but i still believe that extremis is a way better armor

Have you seen the things Bleeding Edge can do? It is incredible.

However, Thor-Buster remains my favourite. That thing is wicked.

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