I really love Sue as a character. She always seemed like she was the only really normal member of the team.
Invisible Woman
Character » Invisible Woman appears in 6183 issues.
Susan Storm is a founding member of the Fantastic Four and later the Future Foundation. She is able to create invisible force fields of any shape she conceives and able to turn herself and anything she's in contact with invisible. Sue is the wife of Reed Richards and the mother of their children, Franklin and Valeria.
The Evolution of Sue Storm
" I adore Sue. I wish she could detach herself from Reed and head on over to be an Avenger, she would be a fantastic addition. "I totally agree with this. I can see it now, the death of Human Torch leads to the divorce of Reed and Sue Richards. Sue finds comfort in an avenger... lets say Hawkeye because he doesnt have a god complex and isnt quite a work-a-holic like Reed. HAHHAAHAHAHHA
" @uroboros said:Totally disagree. There are enough dysfunctional families in the real world. We don't need them in the comics. I would prefer the kids grow up, join the Invisible Woman and Mr. Fantastic, and take on the family business. I think the FF4 should stay a family team. If Sue Storm left that would kill that. Perhaps if Reed and Sue got separated for awhile and later got together that could work if you want to explore her independence from Reed as a potential response to Johnny's death , but no divorce." I adore Sue. I wish she could detach herself from Reed and head on over to be an Avenger, she would be a fantastic addition. "I totally agree with this. I can see it now, the death of Human Torch leads to the divorce of Reed and Sue Richards. Sue finds comfort in an avenger... lets say Hawkeye because he doesnt have a god complex and isnt quite a work-a-holic like Reed. HAHHAAHAHAHHA "
That is indeed pretty androgynous..." @Babs said:
" @slashseven303 said:I don't know if this was the 80s, seeing as I wasn't old enough to read comics back then, but Check out Cosmic Boy! This is about as ridiculous as it gets. "" Yes Sara, everyone dressed like that during the 80's, including a good number of men. "I'd like to see those men. "
good article. im sooooo happy to finally see them bring Sue into her own where she belonged ages ago. personally it seems like any real momentum didn't even start to unfold
until Heroes Return when she showed down with Iconoclast, which seemed so odd for how many other Women Of Marvel were independent and front and center at the time.
Hickman is so magnificent, and i can safely even say F4/FF is the top for quality as far as 1st tier Marvel books go currently (hard to believe after the Cosmic Armbar debacle series;))
My favorite Sue moment was...
Sue gaining equal ruler ship over the Atlantean race, and letting Namor know what time it is! On your knees dog! ^O^
character of choice would be Harley Quinn. she's well on the way as it is, but deserves much more, especially considering how driven her fanbase is, enough so that there was no other
logical choice but to make the transition from the animated version into the comics mainstream continuity.
A flippin' marvel goddess right here!
And I call for a Wasp (RIP) or Jean Grey evolution! And perhaps a DC Wondy one? :D
Weither Sue refers herself as Invisible Woman or Girl does not make much difference to me as a reader... I believe Sue Storm has always been a strong predominante sexy figure in the marvel universe. I also feel that she has been widely under estimated and shadowed by many other female marvel characters. Such as those in the X-men. With very few women like this in comics as a whole... she will always be on my top ten list of Marvel Women. As a silver age reader from the early 70's til now I believe it is important to have confidence in the characters that have stood the test of time.
I think the biggest problem is that her named power - invisibility is pretty lame for the types of bad guys they face. If she were in a spy agency like SHIELD, that'd be an asset. Her force field/force projection is neat, but it mostly goes to shielding people - a womanly trait? So I think they don't know what to do with her in the FF team.
@Babs: He-Man, Lion-O, Namor, Kazar just to name a few. I don't pay attention to half naked men and complain. I'm just used to it. The objectification of Women in Comics is waaaaaaaaay out of proportion and not nearly as big a deal as everyone thinks. A few artists (Jim Lee, Rob Liefeld, etc) definitely went a little over board but comics are supposed to be ridiculous. They're fantasies. Relax.
Dare I bump a ten year-old thread where most of the users are probably years gone by now? Yeah, sure, whatever.
Whenever I hear boomers talk about Marvel, they always talk about how "It's better than DC because the heroes feel like real people." Who is Sue without letting herself be undermined and ignored, who is Sue without confidence issues? Who is Sue when you remove all her flaws? Well, not a real person.
The way to have "fixed" Sue is to make Reed slightly less of a prick (because note how, if I'm not mistaken, Reed is EXCLUSIVELY the only member of the Fantastic Four to outright demean her.) But we're looooooooooooong past that point.
Who would Sue be if she allowed herself to "kick major [YOU CAN'T SAY THAT ON COMICVINE]" and wasn't extremely reserved in the usage of her powers, well, she isn't going to go around popping people like pimples with her powers because that's too OOC even for comicbooks.
She'd also probably be the most single boring superhero to have in the standard "villain of the week" format because she's not an idiot, she's actually notably intelligent (definitely the second smartest Fantastic Four member, at least...), and could effortlessly and comfortably be able to defeat her villains.
I mean, unless you just give her an entire marching band as her rogues' gallery and people so fast and lethal that she's gotta' start throwing discs at them to slow them down. Then she might as well just have telekinetic blasts- and be a different character. (Sue needs to go up against "alien" enemies so her hesitance is even remotely rational. Kind of like how the old Fantastic Four mostly did it...)
I guess you could have her punching up and fighting be cosmic powers but their powersets are usually pretty boring and they have so much POWERERERER that Sue trying to do any creative stuff would probably get her killed. So she's back to shield baby-sitting. It's not like those kinds of teams (or fights) would even appreciate a member like Sue since she's a relatively easy target. They'd much rather have a big, tough guy with even strongerer lasers to kill the bigger, tougher guy with the strongerest lasers.
So, word of advice, don't split up the Fantastic Four. Yes, this all falls in line with what I said in my one thread that no one read but it bears repeating.
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