Image's Superboy equivalent?
Invincible
Character » Invincible appears in 444 issues.
Girls, acne, homework and supervillains. When you're a teenager it pays to be - Invincible. Mark Grayson is the hero Invincible, whom is a Viltrumite/Human hybrid. Mark is one of the greatest heroes on Earth and is the son of Omni-Man. The new emperor of the Viltrum empire is a true hero to the very end.
Is he like...
" No he could prob kill Superboy in a second "What does that have to do with anything?
But yes, it's possible to see it that way.
It is so hard to compare him to superboy. I mean superboy or superman would never choke someone to death. Or beat someone until they were covered in someone's blood.
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" @superboy12 said:" No he could prob kill Superboy in a second "No he couldn't "
true. he can't beat Superboy.
" @passionfruits: They could but choose not too.
@Son_of_Magnus said:" @superboy12 said:true. he can't beat Superboy. "" No he could prob kill Superboy in a second "No he couldn't "
No Invincible could tottaly beat him cause the more he pushes his body the stronger his powers get. Invincible would whip superboy in a second cause he's faster and WAY stronger.
" No he could prob kill Superboy in a second "Umm...no.
He is not really their Superboy though. I would consider him more of a Spider-Man than a Superboy.
" @superboy12 said:Me too" No he could prob kill Superboy in a second "Umm...no. He is not really their Superboy though. I would consider him more of a Spider-Man than a Superboy. "
" Na I think of him as Superboy. "Maybe powerwise he is closer to Superboy or Superman. But story/personality, I see him more as Spider-Man.
" @superboy12: You mind backing your words up? "
Look at invincible's page it says if he presses his powers futhur then they increase. He lifted 400 tons at the beginning of the series and he's gotten way stronger since then. Kryptonians average strength under a yellow sun I believe is roughly 100 tons. So Invincible wins there. Also you have to remember Superboy's body uses up the solar energy in his body so he cant always be at his full power. If you dont believe look at what happened to him in Infinite Crisis during his first with superboy prime
" @Son_of_Magnus said:...................... Ok first off Kryptonians are more like 100 billion tons strength class Conner has the strength to move the Moon and the Speed to go way faster than light not to mention having all the Kryptonian powers and powerful Telekinesis. And did you even read Infinity Crisis? Superboy did well against a character that thoroughly raped all of DC Earth by himself . Superboy Prime Took the whole GL Corps The Flashes and Two Supermen to final stop him" @superboy12: You mind backing your words up? "Look at invincible's page it says if he presses his powers futhur then they increase. He lifted 400 tons at the beginning of the series and he's gotten way stronger since then. Kryptonians average strength under a yellow sun I believe is roughly 100 tons. So Invincible wins there. Also you have to remember Superboy's body uses up the solar energy in his body so he cant always be at his full power. If you dont believe look at what happened to him in Infinite Crisis during his first with superboy prime "
" @superboy12 said:" @Son_of_Magnus said:...................... Ok first off Kryptonians are more like 100 billion tons strength class Conner has the strength to move the Moon and the Speed to go way faster than light not to mention having all the Kryptonian powers and powerful Telekinesis. And did you even read Infinity Crisis? Superboy did well against a character that thoroughly raped all of DC Earth by himself . Superboy Prime Took the whole GL Corps The Flashes and Two Supermen to final stop him "" @superboy12: You mind backing your words up? "Look at invincible's page it says if he presses his powers futhur then they increase. He lifted 400 tons at the beginning of the series and he's gotten way stronger since then. Kryptonians average strength under a yellow sun I believe is roughly 100 tons. So Invincible wins there. Also you have to remember Superboy's body uses up the solar energy in his body so he cant always be at his full power. If you dont believe look at what happened to him in Infinite Crisis during his first with superboy prime "
Ya but there's a HUGE strength differnce between Superboy and Superboy prime because Superboy Prime is on Par with Silver age Superman who is way stronger then Superman. Also Superboy isnt full Kryptonian and as I said his body uses the solar energy to fast and after his battle with superboy Prime his body started falling appart because of that!
he would totally take conner" @Primmaster64 said:
" @passionfruits: They could but choose not too.No Invincible could tottaly beat him cause the more he pushes his body the stronger his powers get. Invincible would whip superboy in a second cause he's faster and WAY stronger. "
@Son_of_Magnus
said:" @superboy12 said:true. he can't beat Superboy. "" No he could prob kill Superboy in a second "No he couldn't "
"Image's Superboy equivalent? "
I'm skipping the 144 posts before mine. He's basically Robert Kirkman's Superboy, yes, if DC had generational continuity. Omni-Man was Superman and Mark is Son of Superman. The Viltrumites are Kryptonians. The twist is that the Viltrumites aren't peace-loving, and still exist in the universe (their planet didn't explode, in other words). There are many surface differences between Superboy and Invincible, but they basically boil down to Kirkman being more willing to show things that DC is not going to show. Kirkman's story acknowledges that if two superguys go toe to toe, there's going to be blood and destruction and maybe death. It happens. DC and Marvel are never going to show that the way other companies do, because they are as much or more concerned about their marketing as they are the stories in the comics. Superman wouldn't look like a hero if he was covered in badguy blood all the time. He'd look like a conqueror, and people would be afraid of him. DC wants characters that people look at as good examples for their kids to be reading. Kirkman's telling a more realistic superhero story (as realistic as that kind of fiction can be). Everything about this story says that Invincible is Kirkman's Superboy, on his way to being Superman. The only thing that makes him remotely like Spider-Man is that he has more of a full personality - that is, a full range of emotions, and real world problems on top of his superhero problems (family, relationships, paying for stuff, etc.).
So a more concise answer to your question would be "Yes, but better." ;)
"@Primmaster64 said:I'm skipping the 144 posts before mine. He's basically Robert Kirkman's Superboy, yes, if DC had generational continuity. Omni-Man was Superman and Mark is Son of Superman. The Viltrumites are Kryptonians. The twist is that the Viltrumites aren't peace-loving, and still exist in the universe (their planet didn't explode, in other words). There are many surface differences between Superboy and Invincible, but they basically boil down to Kirkman being more willing to show things that DC is not going to show. Kirkman's story acknowledges that if two superguys go toe to toe, there's going to be blood and destruction and maybe death. It happens. DC and Marvel are never going to show that the way other companies do, because they are as much or more concerned about their marketing as they are the stories in the comics. Superman wouldn't look like a hero if he was covered in badguy blood all the time. He'd look like a conqueror, and people would be afraid of him. DC wants characters that people look at as good examples for their kids to be reading. Kirkman's telling a more realistic superhero story (as realistic as that kind of fiction can be). Everything about this story says that Invincible is Kirkman's Superboy, on his way to being Superman. The only thing that makes him remotely like Spider-Man is that he has more of a full personality - that is, a full range of emotions, and real world problems on top of his superhero problems (family, relationships, paying for stuff, etc.). So a more concise answer to your question would be "Yes, but better." ;) ""Image's Superboy equivalent? "
Good f#@%ing answer.
"Good f#@%ing answer. "
Thank you.
@-Eclipse- said:
" @cbishop: Nice post :) And as far as I can tell, Kryptonians are a LOT more durable than Viltrumites, so Superboy would beat Invincible on that fact alone. "
Thank you, also, but I don't know about the "more durable than Viltrumites" comment. I think that has more to do with DC not showing mass amounts of blood, so when a Kryptonian gets knocked around, their clothing might be in tatters, and there will be some crosshatched bruises, but no more than a trickle of blood here and there. Kirkman's more willing to show the blood of battle, but c'mon, when the V'Empire wants a planet, they send ONE Viltrumite to take it. They've got to be pretty durable to be able to do that.
Still, if someone can do that to Supes sans Kryptonite, I guess it's possible that Viltrumites could stand up to Kryptonians. Though Supes does have a few extra powers on his side.
" @-Eclipse-: No Kryptonite - Doomsday just had to be a tough son of a gun to take down Supes. ...<sigh> I cannot help disliking this story. The Death of Superman should have been delivered by Luthor or Bizarro, IMO, not some newcomer. But meh, it's done now. "actually I disagree. Had Luthor been the one that killed Superman then there is not much to do with him after that. If you lose or win you still lose credibility or fans become enraged of you being too powerful an opponent for anyone.
That's what happened to Doosmday. Once you kill superman you can't go any way higer. So you can only go down
"Boys your geting of topic, if you want a Superboy Vs Invincible take it to the battle forum. "
@Nighthunter said:
"actually I disagree. Had Luthor been the one that killed Superman then there is not much to do with him after that. If you lose or win you still lose credibility or fans become enraged of you being too powerful an opponent for anyone. That's what happened to Doosmday. Once you kill superman you can't go any way higer. So you can only go down"
This is the last I'm saying on this, because Spiderbat has suggested (altho' I chaff a bit at "boys") we stay on topic.
I agree with you that killing Superman would end Luthor or Bizarro's usability as much as it did Doomsday's, but in a perfect world, when the villain kills Superman... SUPERMAN... Superman stays dead, and the story ends... and much like Doomsday, the villain dies with him. Personally, like many fans who read it back in the 1980's, I hold Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? up as the true Death of Superman. Not because it's Alan Moore, but because it's epic. It involves the final fates of most of the characters associated with Superman, as well as Superman himself, with a literal wink at the end, to all of the readers. Pretty much, that's the way it should be for a character like Superman: a be all, end all epic with just about every major character to ever cross his path, THE END. ;)
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