So i just finished reading,   Uncanny X-Men: She lies with Angels and let me tell you how sad it was... 
You guys should deff pick up this book and read it... I love the Guthrie's, whenever I read about them I always tear up... yeah I tear up while reading comic books it can get emotional... Josh / Jay / Icarus whatever you want to call him is such a sweet guy, I feel so bad for him :( But it all makes sense now why he's so like anti-fighting and all that jazz... stupid Cabot family... Ugh  
 
How did you guys like these issues if you read them? 

Personally, I felt that Chuck Austen was trying to rewrite Guthrie history.   
 
Josh used to want to be a mutant, but was bitter that he wasn't 'special' like Sam.  All of a sudden he grows wings??  It just didn't make sense.  And the sudden desire to change his name?  You can't just decide that you have a different name.   And the whole addition of a Hillbilly style clan warefare with the Cabots was dreadful stereotyping. 
 
That whole era of Uncanny X-Men was bitterly disappointing.  The characters made just as little sense as they do in Uncanny X-Men now.

"Hope was the first Uncanny comic that I read and She Lies With Angels is from around the same time. They're stories that I enjoy and that I find nostalgic, as they're some of the first comics I read.  "

" @The Dark Huntress said:

"Hope was the first Uncanny comic that I read and She Lies With Angels is from around the same time. They're stories that I enjoy and that I find nostalgic, as they're some of the first comics I read.  "

That's fair.  I think that most people enjoyed the era or arcs that they first read.  Just as I like the story where Calisto ordered the Morlocks to kidnap Angel, since it was one of my first stories... even though it's hardly Eisner award winning material ;) "

I still have a problem with Josh changing his name to Jay.  But, one thing that story did do was make him a popular character (even if he was annoyingly emo forever after).

I didn't know the character before that story, so there's nothing for me to really have a problem with as far as how faithful it was to the character. Same reason why the majority of Geoff Johns' retcons don't bother me; I never read Green Lantern before he was writing it. 

" I still have a problem with Josh changing his name to Jay.  But, one thing that story did do was make him a popular character (even if he was annoyingly emo forever after). "

"He was so EMO! And what is up with the name change? I am glad he was brutally murdered, because he whined like a bitch."

" @xerox-kitty said:

" I still have a problem with Josh changing his name to Jay.  But, one thing that story did do was make him a popular character (even if he was annoyingly emo forever after). "

He was so EMO! And what is up with the name change? I am glad he was brutally murdered, because he whined like a bitch. "

@Illyana Rasputin said:

"He was so EMO! And what is up with the name change? I am glad he was brutally murdered, because he whined like a bitch."

Woah!  Whiney... yes.  Deserve to die...?  A bit harsh! ;)

" @Illyana Rasputin said:

" @xerox-kitty said:

" I still have a problem with Josh changing his name to Jay.  But, one thing that story did do was make him a popular character (even if he was annoyingly emo forever after). "

He was so EMO! And what is up with the name change? I am glad he was brutally murdered, because he whined like a bitch. "

Hahaha! He was an idiot who ended up betraying the X-Men. "

" @John Valentine said:

" @Illyana Rasputin said:

" @xerox-kitty said:

" I still have a problem with Josh changing his name to Jay.  But, one thing that story did do was make him a popular character (even if he was annoyingly emo forever after). "

He was so EMO! And what is up with the name change? I am glad he was brutally murdered, because he whined like a bitch. "

Hahaha! He was an idiot who ended up betraying the X-Men. "

Is it me, or did poor Icarus have one of the crappiest histories in the Marvel Universe? "

" @Illyana Rasputin said:

" @John Valentine said:

" @Illyana Rasputin said:

" @xerox-kitty said:

" I still have a problem with Josh changing his name to Jay.  But, one thing that story did do was make him a popular character (even if he was annoyingly emo forever after). "

He was so EMO! And what is up with the name change? I am glad he was brutally murdered, because he whined like a bitch. "

Hahaha! He was an idiot who ended up betraying the X-Men. "

Is it me, or did poor Icarus have one of the crappiest histories in the Marvel Universe? "

I'm sure the students who had everything to live for and died in the bus attack had it worse. "

"Is it me, or did poor Icarus have one of the crappiest histories in the Marvel Universe? "

" @Illyana Rasputin said:   Please, the saddest death was Tag by a long shot. "

"@John Valentine said:

" @Illyana Rasputin said:   Please, the saddest death was Tag by a long shot. "

Extremely, but I was most saddened by Laurie.    As for Josh/Jay (trying to bring it back on topic ;) at least he slightly redeemed himself in his dying moments by trying to leave info for the others to find. "

" @Illyana Rasputin said:

"Is it me, or did poor Icarus have one of the crappiest histories in the Marvel Universe? "

Well, he & the other short-lived student bodies from the Institute could form a new Concept list... instead of the Women in Refrigerators, it could be Expendable Supers, Student Fodder, or something like that.  Quick, get on the phone to Kyle & Yost and tell them to give this an official name ;) 
 
@John Valentine said:

" @Illyana Rasputin said:   Please, the saddest death was Tag by a long shot. "

Extremely, but I was most saddened by Laurie.    As for Josh/Jay (trying to bring it back on topic ;) at least he slightly redeemed himself in his dying moments by trying to leave info for the others to find. "  

" @Illyana Rasputin said:

"Is it me, or did poor Icarus have one of the crappiest histories in the Marvel Universe? "

Well, he & the other short-lived student bodies from the Institute could form a new Concept list... instead of the Women in Refrigerators, it could be Expendable Supers, Student Fodder, or something like that.  Quick, get on the phone to Kyle & Yost and tell them to give this an official name ;) 
 
@John Valentine said:

" @Illyana Rasputin said:   Please, the saddest death was Tag by a long shot. "

Extremely, but I was most saddened by Laurie.    As for Josh/Jay (trying to bring it back on topic ;) at least he slightly redeemed himself in his dying moments by trying to leave info for the others to find. "

@Illyana Rasputin: I think I love you.

I've read some issues of New X-men Academy X and Icarus seemed less emo than how he was portrayed before which was a good thing. The most emo character of all was Kevin Ford (Wither) which I've felt a bit impatient about it with all of his doom and gloom even if the harm his powers can do was grounded in truth.
 
I've heard the reason Josh changed his name to Jay was because there already was a character named Josh (aka Elixir). If anything, we can all say Josh Guthrie's nickname is "Jay".