IhateyouIhateyouIhateyou

#1 Edited by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

So I'm trying to read Messiah Complex.  But this jerkoff keeps messing it up for me.

This isn't art.



This is crap.

Wolverine's eyes are tiny white dots.  His mouth takes up half his face and apparently his jaw is barely even hanging onto the rest of his skull.  Looks like somebody took a knife to the sides of his mouth and his jaw is about to just fall off.  His thumb is almost as big as X-23's arm.

I'd go into how ugly X-23's face looks and how Caliban's pants are magically suspended at his waist because I'm frankly sick of looking at it.  Hope New X-Men 45 isn't important to the storyline because I'm not gonna spend another minute looking at this poor excuse for art.

He got paid to draw this.
#2 Posted by Darkchild (40624 posts) - - Show Bio

HAHAHAAHAHAHAA

#3 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

I tried to keep reading an instantly regretted it.


Sexy lady as drawn by Humberto Ramos

#4 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

it is a little too cartoonish for the seriousness that was MC.

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#5 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio

I was just reading his run on X-Men up to Messiah Complex and thought it was a lot more toned down than usual.  Then in MC he seems to have rushed his way though it.  Each to their own, though... I've loved his work since Impulse (bet I'm gonna get slated for that).

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#6 Posted by Precise (22886 posts) - - Show Bio
xerox-kitty said:
"I was just reading his run on X-Men up to Messiah Complex and thought it was a lot more toned down than usual.  Then in MC he seems to have rushed his way though it.  Each to their own, though... I've loved his work since Impulse (bet I'm gonna get slated for that)."
I feel the same way actually, not my favourite artist by a long shot. But i like his work =)
#7 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought his work on Impulse was distracting but I could still get through the story.

I like Nauck's Impulse MUCH better.  But then again, Todd Nauck is just a good artist....as opposed to Ramos.

#8 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio

Distracting in what way?  I mean, personally I felt that his art fitted the character & the fun nature of the original Impulse stories. 

When Ethan Van Sciver took over, I was glad that he retained the big hair & feet look that Ramos had established, while bringing his own finer & detailed style to the book.  I loved Todd Nauck's stuff on YJ too, for pretty much the same reason.  He could fit the bombastic & energetic needs of the team :)

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#9 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

Its just ugly.  It worked more for Impulse than it does for say...Runaways and it works better for Runaways than it did for M-Complex but its still pretty ugly if you ask me.

#10 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio

You might want to avoid the New Warriors fight against the Thor clone then... It's more bendy, cartoony & rushed-looking than Messiah Complex.  Friends of mine were actually arguing about whether some of the action poses were possible, claiming that limbs were flying in the wrong direction...

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#11 Posted by kev17 (332 posts) - - Show Bio

i enjoy his artwork. while he may not be amongst tim bradstreet,jim lee, or alex ross, his art is pretty funky and lighthearted.
its just fun to look at i suppose.

#12 Posted by kev17 (332 posts) - - Show Bio

saying his art is crap just because its stylised and exagerrated is the same as saying tim sale or frank millers art is crap for the same reason.

#13 Posted by inferiorego (24734 posts) - - Show Bio

Ramos is pretty awesome, I have no clue what you're talking about.

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#14 Posted by stan lee`s son (5 posts) - - Show Bio

HUMBERTO RAMOS ES UN PINCHE GENIO Y UN GRAN ARTISTA.

#15 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
@stan lee`s son said:
"HUMBERTO RAMOS ES UN PINCHE GENIO Y UN GRAN ARTISTA."
No es cierto.

Su arte es muy malo.
#16 Posted by Vance Astro (91237 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
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@stan lee`s son said:
"HUMBERTO RAMOS ES UN PINCHE GENIO Y UN GRAN ARTISTA."
No es cierto.Su arte es muy malo. "
LOL.
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#17 Posted by The Devil Tiger (1263 posts) - - Show Bio

 

@xerox-kitty said:
"I was just reading his run on X-Men up to Messiah Complex and thought it was a lot more toned down than usual.  Then in MC he seems to have rushed his way though it.  Each to their own, though... I've loved his work since Impulse (bet I'm gonna get slated for that). "


 

Same feeling here.
#18 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
"
@Zoom said:
"
@stan lee`s son said:
"HUMBERTO RAMOS ES UN PINCHE GENIO Y UN GRAN ARTISTA."
No es cierto.Su arte es muy malo. "
LOL.
"
Damn Mexicans and their secret language >:l


#19 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio
@White Mage said:
"
@Vance Astro said:
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@Zoom said:
@stan lee`s son said:
"HUMBERTO RAMOS IS A GENIUS AND A GREAT ARTIST."
"Not true. His art is very bad. "
LOL.
"
Damn Mexicans and their secret language >:l "
Google Translate works wonders.  

And to repeat what I said earlier... I still love his work.  So much so I'm actually considering picking up Dark X-Men because I read he's doing the interior art.
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#20 Posted by ~The Wanderer~ (34406 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
@stan lee`s son said:
"HUMBERTO RAMOS ES UN PINCHE GENIO Y UN GRAN ARTISTA."
No es cierto.Su arte es muy malo. "
rofl.
#21 Posted by brc2000 (1679 posts) - - Show Bio

I have to agree that his art is pretty unbearable. I don't like the cartoon-y style of drawing. It makes it difficult to take the works seriously.

#22 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio

I love him so much, he was the only reason I'm getting Kookaburra :)

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#23 Posted by jloneblackheart (5519 posts) - - Show Bio

From all his images on his page, it looks like he can be a good artist sometimes. But I agree, the particular pictures posted in this thread are pretty awful.

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#24 Posted by conformist21 (413 posts) - - Show Bio

i hate it too,

#25 Posted by Emperor Gonzo Noir (19714 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate how if you don't draw like Jim Lee your art is considered terrible

#26 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@Emperor Gonzo Noir said:
" I hate how if you don't draw like Jim Lee your art is considered terrible "
QFT 
 
I mean, this guy's art looks pretty awesome if you ask me from the pictures shown, if you want someone who just draws the same style as everyone else then just get a tracer...I think Greg Land should be really popular with people who hate Humberto Ramos
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#27 Edited by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

You don't understand.  He gets PAID to draw comic books. 
 
Drawing is like singing or throwing a football.  Almost everyone can do it but only the people who do it best should really be paid to do it for public entertainment.  Ramos is a slightly above average artist when it comes to the total population of the planet.  I mean, there were people in my classes in sixth grade who I consider to be better artists than he is.  There is no reason he should be getting paid to draw comics, or at least not with the kind of deadlines they must've given him during Messiah Complex.
#28 Posted by ComicMan24 (147093 posts) - - Show Bio

I like his art. Maybe not the top artist but I like it.

#29 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost said:
"I think Greg Land should be really popular with people who hate Humberto Ramos "

Greg Land is a hack who doesn't even draw his own stuff. 
 
Just because someone doesn't like art from a guy who often seems like he doesn't have a basic understanding of human form or scale doesn't mean that they'll like someone who traces porn and throws the pictures into comics where the facial expressions they're using won't make sense.
#30 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
  • John Cassaday
  • Ed McGuiness
  • Marc Silvestri
  • Frank Quitely
  • Chris Bachalo 
  • Alex Maleev
  • Michael Lark
  • Howard Porter
  • J.G Jones
  • J.H Williams III
 
All very different, all about a trillion times better than Ramos.
#31 Posted by Aiden Cross (15569 posts) - - Show Bio
@ComicMan24 said:
" I like his art. Maybe not the top artist but I like it. "
Ditto.
#32 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost said:

"QFT  I mean, this guy's art looks pretty awesome if you ask me from the pictures shown, if you want someone who just draws the same style as everyone else then just get a tracer...I think Greg Land should be really popular with people who hate Humberto Ramos "


@Emperor Gonzo Noir said:

"I hate how if you don't draw like Jim Lee your art is considered terrible "


I love you both :) 
 
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" John Cassaday
  • Ed McGuiness
  • Marc Silvestri
  • Frank Quitely
  • Chris Bachalo 
  • Alex Maleev
  • Michael Lark
  • Howard Porter
  • J.G Jones
  • J.H Williams III
 All very different, all about a trillion times better than Ramos. "

They are all different, which is what sets them aside from the likes of Terry Dodson, Mike McKone, Diogenes Neves, etc.  The majority of comic book art is identical, with characters who all look alike.  Your list of chosen artists is a good list... but it's your own personal opinion that makes them "a trillion times better".  Just as it is my personal opinion that says Humberto Ramos is a trillion times better than those guys.  Especially better than Frank "I make everyone looks as ugly as a freshly dug up root vegetable" Quitely.
 
 
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#33 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty said:
" @aztek the lost said:

"QFT  I mean, this guy's art looks pretty awesome if you ask me from the pictures shown, if you want someone who just draws the same style as everyone else then just get a tracer...I think Greg Land should be really popular with people who hate Humberto Ramos "


@Emperor Gonzo Noir said:

"I hate how if you don't draw like Jim Lee your art is considered terrible "


I love you both :) 
 
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" John Cassaday
  • Ed McGuiness
  • Marc Silvestri
  • Frank Quitely
  • Chris Bachalo 
  • Alex Maleev
  • Michael Lark
  • Howard Porter
  • J.G Jones
  • J.H Williams III
 All very different, all about a trillion times better than Ramos. "
They are all different, which is what sets them aside from the likes of Terry Dodson, Mike McKone, Diogenes Neves, etc.  The majority of comic book art is identical, with characters who all look alike.  Your list of chosen artists is a good list... but it's your own personal opinion that makes them "a trillion times better".  Just as it is my personal opinion that says Humberto Ramos is a trillion times better than those guys.  Especially better than Frank "I make everyone looks as ugly as a freshly dug up root vegetable" Quitely.   "
Haha, nice dig at Quitely. But yes, you're right. I was actually addressing the idea that "everyone who doesn't draw like Jim Lee is bad".  I should have been clearer, I apologise. 
 
I like most comic book art, with the exception of Alex Ross, Greg Land, Terry Dodson, Ramos and whoever the guy doing ASM: Origin of the Species is.
#34 Edited by CATMANEXE (17052 posts) - - Show Bio

love Ramos, and apparently many do for him to have been paid to draw as long as he has.
his style is well known, and fairly easy to tell from most covers. i fail to see where the surprise
was.
 
edit: i gave it a moment, and i can see where it might have been a frustrating experience for you 
though and launched a chain of hostility Zoom. I was already accustomed to his style. You were
trying to read a crossover where back and forth (every forth issue was it) the art style and coloring
shifts dramatically ans punches you in the eyes with its vibrancy. I can dig that.
 
as for whether it sucks, the amount of long term fans behind it says not for everyone. that cartoony
eclectic style with disproportionate physiques is pretty common and there's many artists in the
industry, i'm sure you already know who they are. its based in the school of thought that comics are
in fact still cartoons (and really, they are), and caters to a huge base, especially those who bought
into comics to to one TAS series they saw on television or another (strong base for X-Men there).
I believe the art of Bruce Timm is what relit this whole thing if i remember correctly though guys
like Ramos where always there working there way up the ladder. and hey, by comparison any
less cartoony work could be considered cartoony itself when compared to say Jusko or Brereton.
so its really just one thing not being the other is all, but neither less necessary or for better in
heavy demand.

#35 Posted by brc2000 (1679 posts) - - Show Bio

My opinion remains the same. Sure he's different, but different isn't automatically good. Maybe if I was into manga and anime  I wouldn't mind it.

#36 Posted by ComicMan24 (147093 posts) - - Show Bio

It all comes down to personal taste. What I like, you might hate and vice versa.

#37 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt: I'm also of the 'I think Alex Ross is vastly over-rated' school of thinking too ;)  Although he's so different to all other comic art & has led the way for other 'painted' style artists, I'm just so tired of his 'fat old men wearing skin tight lycra' comics. 

@ComicMan24 said:
"It all comes down to personal taste. What I like, you might hate and vice versa. "

Exactly.  I do like the way that most people on Comic Vine are expressive enough to explain why they do (or don't) like things.
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#38 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty: I know, what's up with that!? Why does every hero have to be in their late fifies to sixties? 
 
I appreciate his style, but I still don't like it.
#39 Posted by ComicMan24 (147093 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty: I used not to like Alex Ross' art but now I like it more although I do agree that he draws them too old sometimes.
#40 Posted by CATMANEXE (17052 posts) - - Show Bio

eh, backing Ramos but can't join the Ross brigade. Not after the masterpieces that were
Torch and Marvels 2. Too great to knock on, though i can see where his style was becoming
redundant for awhile.

#41 Posted by The Devil Tiger (1263 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Ramos, not all of his works, but I love him anyway.   
 
Whatever, I just hate when the art change in the middle of a comics, or even a story arc. 
 
#42 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Devil Tiger: He works well on Spidey, imo. Then again, a lot of artists that I don't like seem to work well on Spidey. Romita Jr, Ramos, etc..
#43 Posted by The Devil Tiger (1263 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt: 
 
Well, Romita Jr art is kind of weird to me. Not bad, but just weird. 
 
I love how Ramos draw kids, mostly, but on Spidey, I've just checked Black cat, and well, I wasn't really thrilled to say the least.  
 
Just watch :
 
I won't be claiming that I can do better, but, there's just something wrong that I cannot stand here. 
 
My favorite is Campbell, so far, he never disapointed me. 
 
Just to compare... 
 

 
#44 Posted by ForbushBug (496 posts) - - Show Bio

Whenever I see Ramos I think back to a letter printed in "X-Nation 2099." Someone liked his work so much that they wanted him to stop doing "Impulse" and just do "X-Nation." Which leads to a couple questions...
 
1. If you like an artist, why would you want them to draw half as much?
2. If you're Marvel, why print evidence some of your readers are morons?
 
It's one of those facepalm moments that just sticks in the memory.

#45 Posted by jonesy10 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

I find Ramos' work too cartoonish and exaggerated. Manga influenced art (in superhero titles) bothers me. I pretty much avoid reading anything he illustrates

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