So I'm trying to read Messiah Complex.  But this jerkoff keeps messing it up for me.

This isn't art.

HAHAHAAHAHAHAA

I tried to keep reading an instantly regretted it.

it is a little too cartoonish for the seriousness that was MC.

I was just reading his run on X-Men up to Messiah Complex and thought it was a lot more toned down than usual.  Then in MC he seems to have rushed his way though it.  Each to their own, though... I've loved his work since Impulse (bet I'm gonna get slated for that).

"I was just reading his run on X-Men up to Messiah Complex and thought it was a lot more toned down than usual.  Then in MC he seems to have rushed his way though it.  Each to their own, though... I've loved his work since Impulse (bet I'm gonna get slated for that)."

I thought his work on Impulse was distracting but I could still get through the story.

I like Nauck's Impulse MUCH better.  But then again, Todd Nauck is just a good artist....as opposed to Ramos.

Distracting in what way?  I mean, personally I felt that his art fitted the character & the fun nature of the original Impulse stories. 

When Ethan Van Sciver took over, I was glad that he retained the big hair & feet look that Ramos had established, while bringing his own finer & detailed style to the book.  I loved Todd Nauck's stuff on YJ too, for pretty much the same reason.  He could fit the bombastic & energetic needs of the team :)

Its just ugly.  It worked more for Impulse than it does for say...Runaways and it works better for Runaways than it did for M-Complex but its still pretty ugly if you ask me.

You might want to avoid the New Warriors fight against the Thor clone then... It's more bendy, cartoony & rushed-looking than Messiah Complex.  Friends of mine were actually arguing about whether some of the action poses were possible, claiming that limbs were flying in the wrong direction...

i enjoy his artwork. while he may not be amongst tim bradstreet,jim lee, or alex ross, his art is pretty funky and lighthearted.
its just fun to look at i suppose.

saying his art is crap just because its stylised and exagerrated is the same as saying tim sale or frank millers art is crap for the same reason.

Ramos is pretty awesome, I have no clue what you're talking about.

HUMBERTO RAMOS ES UN PINCHE GENIO Y UN GRAN ARTISTA.

I have to agree that his art is pretty unbearable. I don't like the cartoon-y style of drawing. It makes it difficult to take the works seriously.

I love him so much, he was the only reason I'm getting Kookaburra :)

From all his images on his page, it looks like he can be a good artist sometimes. But I agree, the particular pictures posted in this thread are pretty awful.

i hate it too,

I hate how if you don't draw like Jim Lee your art is considered terrible

I like his art. Maybe not the top artist but I like it.

"I think Greg Land should be really popular with people who hate Humberto Ramos "

• John Cassaday
• Ed McGuiness
• Marc Silvestri
• Frank Quitely
• Chris Bachalo 
• Alex Maleev
• Michael Lark
• Howard Porter
• J.G Jones
• J.H Williams III
  

" I like his art. Maybe not the top artist but I like it. "

"QFT  I mean, this guy's art looks pretty awesome if you ask me from the pictures shown, if you want someone who just draws the same style as everyone else then just get a tracer...I think Greg Land should be really popular with people who hate Humberto Ramos "

"I hate how if you don't draw like Jim Lee your art is considered terrible "

" John Cassaday

• Ed McGuiness
• Marc Silvestri
• Frank Quitely
• Chris Bachalo 
• Alex Maleev
• Michael Lark
• Howard Porter
• J.G Jones
• J.H Williams III
  

 All very different, all about a trillion times better than Ramos. "

" @aztek the lost said:

"QFT  I mean, this guy's art looks pretty awesome if you ask me from the pictures shown, if you want someone who just draws the same style as everyone else then just get a tracer...I think Greg Land should be really popular with people who hate Humberto Ramos "

@Emperor Gonzo Noir said:

"I hate how if you don't draw like Jim Lee your art is considered terrible "

I love you both :) 
 
@FadeToBlackBolt said:

" John Cassaday

• Ed McGuiness
• Marc Silvestri
• Frank Quitely
• Chris Bachalo 
• Alex Maleev
• Michael Lark
• Howard Porter
• J.G Jones
• J.H Williams III
  

 All very different, all about a trillion times better than Ramos. "

They are all different, which is what sets them aside from the likes of Terry Dodson, Mike McKone, Diogenes Neves, etc.  The majority of comic book art is identical, with characters who all look alike.  Your list of chosen artists is a good list... but it's your own personal opinion that makes them "a trillion times better".  Just as it is my personal opinion that says Humberto Ramos is a trillion times better than those guys.  Especially better than Frank "I make everyone looks as ugly as a freshly dug up root vegetable" Quitely.   "

love Ramos, and apparently many do for him to have been paid to draw as long as he has.
his style is well known, and fairly easy to tell from most covers. i fail to see where the surprise
was.
 
edit: i gave it a moment, and i can see where it might have been a frustrating experience for you 
though and launched a chain of hostility Zoom. I was already accustomed to his style. You were
trying to read a crossover where back and forth (every forth issue was it) the art style and coloring
shifts dramatically ans punches you in the eyes with its vibrancy. I can dig that.
 
as for whether it sucks, the amount of long term fans behind it says not for everyone. that cartoony
eclectic style with disproportionate physiques is pretty common and there's many artists in the
industry, i'm sure you already know who they are. its based in the school of thought that comics are
in fact still cartoons (and really, they are), and caters to a huge base, especially those who bought
into comics to to one TAS series they saw on television or another (strong base for X-Men there).
I believe the art of Bruce Timm is what relit this whole thing if i remember correctly though guys
like Ramos where always there working there way up the ladder. and hey, by comparison any
less cartoony work could be considered cartoony itself when compared to say Jusko or Brereton.
so its really just one thing not being the other is all, but neither less necessary or for better in
heavy demand.

My opinion remains the same. Sure he's different, but different isn't automatically good. Maybe if I was into manga and anime  I wouldn't mind it.

It all comes down to personal taste. What I like, you might hate and vice versa.

"It all comes down to personal taste. What I like, you might hate and vice versa. "

eh, backing Ramos but can't join the Ross brigade. Not after the masterpieces that were
Torch and Marvels 2. Too great to knock on, though i can see where his style was becoming
redundant for awhile.

Whenever I see Ramos I think back to a letter printed in "X-Nation 2099." Someone liked his work so much that they wanted him to stop doing "Impulse" and just do "X-Nation." Which leads to a couple questions...
 
1. If you like an artist, why would you want them to draw half as much?
2. If you're Marvel, why print evidence some of your readers are morons?
 
It's one of those facepalm moments that just sticks in the memory.

I find Ramos' work too cartoonish and exaggerated. Manga influenced art (in superhero titles) bothers me. I pretty much avoid reading anything he illustrates