Waid's Plans on Indestructible Hulk post Infinity

#1 Posted by TDK_1997 (15079 posts) - - Show Bio
#2 Posted by Lvenger (21066 posts) - - Show Bio
#3 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18308 posts) - - Show Bio
#4 Edited by Lvenger (21066 posts) - - Show Bio

I have to say I'm very impressed by the plans here. Not only is Waid deftly dealing with the fallout from Infinity, he's making leaps and bounds in Hulk related story telling.

#5 Posted by Wolverine08 (45064 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice! Mark Waid writing awesome stories as usual!

#6 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18308 posts) - - Show Bio

Very Interested now.

hulks True Potential? WB is hard to beat :P

#7 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (2874 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting.

#8 Posted by TDK_1997 (15079 posts) - - Show Bio

Very Interested now.

hulks True Potential? WB is hard to beat :P

It is hard to beat but we can only wait and wonder what Waid has in his mind.

#9 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18308 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

@theacidskull said:

Very Interested now.

hulks True Potential? WB is hard to beat :P

It is hard to beat but we can only wait and wonder what Waid has in his mind.

I for one am excited :P, I'll be Positive!

#10 Posted by TDK_1997 (15079 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

@theacidskull said:

Very Interested now.

hulks True Potential? WB is hard to beat :P

It is hard to beat but we can only wait and wonder what Waid has in his mind.

I for one am excited :P, I'll be Positive!

Hulk will literally become the strongest there is probably. :P

#11 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18308 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

@theacidskull said:

@tdk_1997 said:

@theacidskull said:

Very Interested now.

hulks True Potential? WB is hard to beat :P

It is hard to beat but we can only wait and wonder what Waid has in his mind.

I for one am excited :P, I'll be Positive!

Hulk will literally become the strongest there is probably. :P

*fingers Crossed*

#12 Posted by TDK_1997 (15079 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

@theacidskull said:

@tdk_1997 said:

@theacidskull said:

Very Interested now.

hulks True Potential? WB is hard to beat :P

It is hard to beat but we can only wait and wonder what Waid has in his mind.

I for one am excited :P, I'll be Positive!

Hulk will literally become the strongest there is probably. :P

*fingers Crossed*

We'll see. :P

#13 Edited by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (2065 posts) - - Show Bio

Very Interested now.

hulks True Potential? WB is hard to beat :P

exactly what I was thinking.

Sounds amazing can't wait.

#14 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18308 posts) - - Show Bio
#15 Posted by dum529001 (1651 posts) - - Show Bio

It looks intresting.

#16 Posted by GreenScar1990 (617 posts) - - Show Bio

HULK Destroys, BANNER Destroys? Waid's INDESTRUCTIBLE HULK Post-Infinity Changes

by Lucas Siegel, Site EditorDate: 19 July 2013 Time: 09:00 AM ET

Sure, Infinity, Marvel’s next major event, hasn’t even started yet, but as is the nature in the comic book business, we’re already looking ahead to the stories coming once the universe-shattering storyline has reached its end.

Specifically here, we look to Indestructible Hulk. In November’s #16, the story sees what happens when a brain like Bruce Banner’s is exposed to a cosmic disaster like Infinity. While his motto may have been “Hulk Smashes, Banner Builds” up until now, after Infinity, everything changes. The way Marvel describes it, Banner seeks to create a power stronger than Hulk, and he’s making it a bomb.

We talked to Mark Waid about this new arc, and what it’s like working with new artist Mahmud Asrar (who is also handling the Hulk Annual with Jeff Parker ). We even got some teases about the arc in-between and Banner/Hulk’s long-term plans.

Newsarama: Mark, it feels a little weird to jump right into a conversation about an arc that follows not just an arc that hasn't started, but an event that hasn't started. So let's start here – now that Bruce and Hulk have established themselves pretty firmly into S.H.I.E.L.D., what's Banner's mindset at this point? Does he feel comfortable? Is this a life he can maintain in the long-term?

Mark Waid: He could if it were entirely up to him. Unfortunately, he's beginning to suspect that S.H.I.E.L.D. may be taking advantage of him in ways he hadn't imagined – and friction is building.

Nrama: Events like Infinity always seem to hit Hulk in a very specific way – by challenging his status as strongest there is. How will Infinity challenge Bruce as well as Hulk?

Waid: Because the challenge is a Bruce problem, not a Hulk problem. There's nothing to hit (not at first, anyway). It's a chance for Bruce to pull off the ultimate redemptive "make-good" mission, and everything rides on that. We know how strong Hulk is. The question is, how smart is Banner?

Nrama: So, we're looking beyond that story and into the future of Indestructible Hulk. Similar to the first question, I know you can't say much for fear of spoilers, but after time travel and Infinity, it seems Bruce's mindset may change a bit, so where is he mentally as this arc begins in November?

Waid: He's learned a few key things about Hulk's ultimate potential, things he didn't know before. Which frightens him. But it also makes him even more eager to redeem himself as a force for good--and eager to take his lab assistants further under his wing.

Nrama: Bruce's mission, and reason for joining S.H.I.E.L.D. Has been "Hulk Smashes, Banner Builds," so it seems antithetical for him to be building the extremely powerful bomb described in the solicitation for the arc. Why the sudden change of heart?

Waid: That's exactly what Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Hank Pym, and Marvel's other super-scientists are asking. To them, this seems like an EXTRAORDINARLY bad idea. How much can they trust Bruce?

Nrama: S.H.I.E.L.D. usually has an agenda hidden behind an agenda hidden behind an agenda, and that's surely the case with Banner/Hulk. Is this the arc, as Banner gets potentially destructive, where we'll start to see more of that creep through?

Waid: More and more. The problem with S.H.I.E.L.D. is that they see conspiracies behind everything from government coups to ice-cream shops, and their paranoia doesn't go very far in keeping Bruce Banner relaxed.

Nrama: How does Banner's team react to the seeming change in mission? Will we see their reactions to Infinity as well as what Banner is trying to do now?

Waid: Absolutely. They take the stage alongside Banner in this story, happily. Well, happily for all but one.

Nrama: Cue readers guessing which one! With more frequent and more controlled changes back and forth between Banner and Hulk, what are the chances the two start to bleed into each other a bit? Are there aspects of each that you see more clearly shining through the other as you enter your second year with the characters?

Waid: Apparently, someone's given you an advance peek at issue 15!

Nrama: If only. Thanks for the tip. You have been slowly bringing this new take on Hulk into the rest of the Marvel Universe, with an old (young) Thor, and then Daredevil – why is it important to take it slowly when it comes to re-introducing Hulk's dynamic with other characters?

Waid: I just like the one-on-one time. I like the idea that, unlike, say Captain America or Spider-Man, Hulk is a character who's going to provoke a totally different reaction in each of Marvel's heroes; they'll all respond uniquely to him, as we've seen so far. That's a great dynamic to play with.

Nrama: Likewise, who else might we see coming around in this next arc? It seems that several members of the Marvel Universe would react poorly to such a weapon being built – who else might hear about this and have something to say?

Waid: I can't imagine Red Hulk would be to happy about it.

Nrama: Finally, you're working with Mahmud Asrar for this arc, who we just spoke with about the annual he's doing with Jeff Parker. What are some of Asrar's strengths that you're excited to play to?

Waid: The sheer weight he brings to the character--not just physically, making him massive and tough, but the sense of menace that's there in every panel, in every pose. There's a density to Mahmud's Hulk that makes him appropriately terrifying.

Nrama: Anything else you'd like to tease about Indestructible Hulk in the next several months?

Waid: Remember, Banner and his lawyer Matt Murdock are collaborating on...something. And when you find out what, the whole Marvel Universe is likely to turn upside-down!

#17 Edited by GreenScar1990 (617 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay, I'm very interested by this.

The Hulk's true Ultimate Potential, eh?

Unless something major happened in 'Infinity' with Hulk going beyond even WBH, I believe that Mark Waid has his work cut out for him. It's hard to top a power level greater than that of any herald of Galactus. We'll see. Until then, I will continue to watch on.

Not surprising that Banner's relationship working with SHIELD is coming to an end. It was destined to end for a number of important reasons. And it seems that the challenge is directed at Banner's intellect, for you truly can't challenge the Hulk for the status of strongest one there is.

Like I said, I'll be keeping my eyes on this.

Now if only we could get artists like Jim Lee, Paul Pelletier, Carlo Pagulayan and Dale Keown onto the series. ;)

#18 Edited by RaynorJ (1498 posts) - - Show Bio

Yay, more of Banner. Less of Hulk... just what i wanted.... bleh. This all seems full of intrigue and future twists. I just have this feeling that Waid is gonna screw over Hulks character big time.

Well i guess i should stay positive and hope for the best, but i really dislike the idea of Banner building a bomb because he doesn't see Hulk as strong enough.

#19 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18308 posts) - - Show Bio

@raynorj said:

Yay, more of Banner. Less of Hulk... just what i wanted.... bleh. This all seems full of intrigue and future twists. I just have this feeling that Waid is gonna screw over Hulks character big time.

Well i guess i should stay positive and hope for the best, but i really dislike the idea of Banner building a bomb because he doesn't see Hulk as strong enough.

You don't really know that yet, hulks strongest is WB, if banner wants to amp hulk even more, i'm fine with that/ and as much as we wan't do admit, hulk may be the strongest, but he can't beat everyone, and waids seems to hint that there will be a banner vs hulk in issue 15, a good one this time i hope >_>, i don't want another Jason Aaron EVIL banner NOR hulk

#20 Posted by CosmicCommonSense (71 posts) - - Show Bio

it was stated in secret wars 2 by uatu that everyone possesses the potential for gaining power on a cosmic scale I for one believe that world breaker is "cosmic hulk"

#21 Posted by CosmicCommonSense (71 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull:

SHUT UP YOUR WRONG HULK CAN BEAT EVERYONE WITH HIS I CAN BEAT EVERYONE ATTITUDE!!!

#22 Posted by Lvenger (21066 posts) - - Show Bio

@greenscar1990: Lee's a DC exclusive currently and is high up in the DC hierarchy, Pelletier has had his Hulk run. I have no idea who the last two are so they could work.

#23 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay, I'm very interested by this.

The Hulk's true Ultimate Potential, eh?

Unless something major happened in 'Infinity' with Hulk going beyond even WBH, I believe that Mark Waid has his work cut out for him. It's hard to top a power level greater than that of any herald of Galactus. We'll see. Until then, I will continue to watch on.

Not surprising that Banner's relationship working with SHIELD is coming to an end. It was destined to end for a number of important reasons. And it seems that the challenge is directed at Banner's intellect, for you truly can't challenge the Hulk for the status of strongest one there is.

Like I said, I'll be keeping my eyes on this.

Now if only we could get artists like Jim Lee, Paul Pelletier, Carlo Pagulayan and Dale Keown onto the series. ;)

Oh damn I'd love Dale Keown to draw Hulk again.

#24 Posted by Oscars94 (2589 posts) - - Show Bio

I love what the writer's are doing with the Hulk/Banner dynamic. Daredevil and Hulk also make a great team!

#25 Posted by RaynorJ (1498 posts) - - Show Bio

You don't really know that yet, hulks strongest is WB, if banner wants to amp hulk even more, i'm fine with that/ and as much as we wan't do admit, hulk may be the strongest, but he can't beat everyone, and waids seems to hint that there will be a banner vs hulk in issue 15, a good one this time i hope >_>, i don't want another Jason Aaron EVIL banner NOR hulk

Personally i am not fine with it, i dislike the fact that Hulk is getting amped outside of any source other than his anger. I don't like when he get's amped by magic, science or is given a weapon(in this case a bomb). One of the reasons i love Hulk so much is because all the power he has comes from him and him alone, it's not a weapon his daddy gave him, it's not a omnipotent demon powering him through a gem, it's not a planet eater that gives power cosmic. No it's all Hulk. And i am fine if Hulk can't beat everyone in fact i would hate it if he could. I also know that he is not the strongest, not as long as there are omnipotent beings in the universe. But like i said i very much dislike this, i wanna see Hulk reach his ultimate potential by himself, with his anger. The bomb thing sounds incredibly dumb. And again it's Waid more focusing on Banner than the Hulk. To him Hulk is just a tool rather than a character with more than half a century of history. At least with Aaron i got to see the actual Hulk, even if the plot was terrible and Banner was just insufferable.

#26 Posted by MrPhoenix (351 posts) - - Show Bio

So this bomb, is supposed to amp Hulk is that right?

#27 Edited by GreenScar1990 (617 posts) - - Show Bio

@raynorj: Okay. First things first.

The Hulk's ultimate potential that Mark Waid is talking about is to occur will be happening during 'Infinity' & the 'Agent of T.I.M.E.' arc in which it will be the Hulk's own power within himself.

The bomb/weapon that Banner is creating is something akin to an ultimate weapon that eclipses even the Hulk and everything else's might. Try to think of Banner's weapon being akin to the Ultimate Nullifier or something like that. Imagine a weapon so powerful, so dangerous that it can threaten the Marvel Universe. That's what Banner is building. If you read the interview clearly, you would know this.

However, all I can say is Waid has his work cut out for him if he wishes to surpass Hulk's WB power. It can be done, because Hulk doesn't have a limit. The Beyonder and the Celestials have acknowledged Hulk's infinite power/might in the past. Why is everyone so surprised by this?

#28 Posted by RaynorJ (1498 posts) - - Show Bio

@greenscar1990:

You guys are still looking at this as a Hulk comic, it really isn't. It's all about Banner. The ultimate potential Waid is talking about is not clear what it is, he mentions neither strength nor power he keeps it vague, i guess i did read something clearly, all Marvel says is that Hulk strength is not enough for what Banner is planning. Though Waid clearly states that the events in the Infinity will not challenge Hulk but Banner, it's about how smart Banner is. And to top it all off at the end he mentions Murdock and Banner collaboration on something that will turn the Marvel universe upside, again all about Banner. Waids whole run has been about Banner and from the looks of it, it will continue to be all about him for a very long time.

I jumped to conclusions about the bomb amping Hulk, it's not about that. It's about Banner becoming Dr. Insano. I said it earlier and i will say it again, Waid will definitely end up screwing Hulks character, he is already doing a fine job by treating him like Banners piece of equipment, a very powerful one but a tool none the less.

#29 Edited by GreenScar1990 (617 posts) - - Show Bio

@raynorj:

Yes, I agree that the focus is too much on Banner. Not to mention Hulk's massive regression character and history wise. Trust me, I've been making my complaints known on this site and numerous others. It's hard to remain optimistic. And believe me, I hoping for the best. However, thus far, it has yet to come. The problem is, I'm afraid, is that Mr. Waid doesn't understand that there needs to be a balance when it comes to the Banner/Hulk dynamic, especially in terms of their individual personalities, thoughts, feelings and desires. There's some things about the series, quite many actually, that I and other Hulk fans are not pleased with.

#30 Posted by ImNemotheGemini (845 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm very curious to see what Waid has going on ! Seeing world Breaker Hulk would be nice.. But World Beeaker Banner... That's a sigh to see !

#31 Posted by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't understand why Banner is building this bomb. I don't.

Still loving the series, but yeah -- kinda confused, considering how Banner is supposed to be focused on inventing/creating things to help/save the world.

#32 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18308 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis said:

I don't understand why Banner is building this bomb. I don't.

Still loving the series, but yeah -- kinda confused, considering how Banner is supposed to be focused on inventing/creating things to help/save the world.

true.

Though it's not like he decided to do it for no reason right? this banner, everything he does has a reason i'm sure he has a goal for himself :)

#33 Edited by Bronze_Surfer (2985 posts) - - Show Bio
#34 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18308 posts) - - Show Bio
#35 Posted by RaynorJ (1498 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull:

Don't hold your breath, i seriously doubt Hulk is gonna do something above his WBH or WWH feats.

I think i might make a thread about my disappointments with Waids take on with the Hulk. The more i think about it the more i dislike what Waid is doing and what he is planning to do with the Hulk, which is basically nothing... And that's the problem...

#36 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18308 posts) - - Show Bio

@raynorj said:

@theacidskull:

Don't hold your breath, i seriously doubt Hulk is gonna do something above his WBH or WWH feats.

I think i might make a thread about my disappointments with Waids take on with the Hulk. The more i think about it the more i dislike what Waid is doing and what he is planning to do with the Hulk, which is basically nothing... And that's the problem...

All i'm saying is that we should at least give it a chance. if i don't like it people make reviews don't they? :P

#37 Posted by JonSmith (4007 posts) - - Show Bio

Hm... I recall an old suggestion I made for Indestructible Hulk involving Banner's new direction being from Banner's guilt and regret,which wakes up the Devil Hulk deep within his psyche, who causes him to build a weapon of mass destruction, only for the Devil to take over and try to detonate it, forcing the Avengers to get involved and stop him.

I wonder if this'll end up being something similar.

#38 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18308 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith said:

Hm... I recall an old suggestion I made for Indestructible Hulk involving Banner's new direction being from Banner's guilt and regret,which wakes up the Devil Hulk deep within his psyche, who causes him to build a weapon of mass destruction, only for the Devil to take over and try to detonate it, forcing the Avengers to get involved and stop him.

I wonder if this'll end up being something similar.

If it does, will Hug you to death.

I really Hope this is what waid is planning.

#39 Posted by GreenScar1990 (617 posts) - - Show Bio

@bronze_surfer said:

@theacidskull: Whats above a world breaker?

A god breaker

dunno :P. guess we're about to find out :D

God Breaker?

You do know Hulk can already contend with the likes of Thor & Herc, right? Beating down gods isn't something new to the Hulk.

What's greater than World-Breaker?

Galaxy Breaker.

What's greater than Galaxy Breaker?

Universe Breaker.

What's greater than Universe Breaker?

Multiverse Breaker.

My guess?

If and when Hulk shows his ultimate potential, it most likely will happen during Hickman's 'Infinity' because I can't see Mr. Waid allowing Hulk to accomplish any extreme feats of power. He has yet to truly display any feat that is really awe-inspiring from the Green Goliath. Now, with the upcoming 'Agent of T.I.M.E.' arc, I could be proven wrong. We'll see.

#40 Edited by RaynorJ (1498 posts) - - Show Bio

@greenscar1990:

I agree with the last part. I doubt Waid will show us Hulks real potential, considering it's blatantly obvious the guy is not interested in Hulks character but in Banners. All he does is repeat Hulk feats like his strength is incalculable and does other mediocre Hulk feats at best.The thing i give him props to is acknowledging Hulks speed, like when he said it doesn't matter if you are 5 feet or 500 feet away from the Hulk a guy that has enough leg power that he can jump from one continent to the next will get to you in an instant. Though he seems to forgotten all about that ever since issue #2...

I think Infinity will finally give us the Hulk we have been waiting for... i hope...

#41 Posted by CosmicCommonSense (71 posts) - - Show Bio

I for one do not believe there will ever be showing of hulks true potential cus you gotta look all the way back to his creation from that very second hes been built and built and built and as a creature with limitless potential nah mean?

#42 Posted by CosmicCommonSense (71 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997:

hulk is already literally the strongest there is just think about it

#43 Posted by kgb725 (6440 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk will be fighting and banner will find a way to detonate the bomb with hulk in the middle of it and thus his power increases vastly

#44 Posted by Verotikryptonite (323 posts) - - Show Bio

This has the makings of an epic let down

#45 Posted by ThatGuyWithHeadPhones (11895 posts) - - Show Bio

Multiverse breaking Hulk...I like that, that sounds nice.

#46 Posted by medulaoblaganda (977 posts) - - Show Bio
#47 Posted by dum529001 (1651 posts) - - Show Bio

Universe breaker?

You mean like Hulk being able to decimate universes with a thought? or slight movements?

#48 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18308 posts) - - Show Bio

hulk breaking the Universe? not sure how i feel about that

#49 Posted by DrunkVader (794 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

So Newsarama had an interview with Mark Waid for his run on Indestructible Hulk and what we can expect after Infinity.

http://www.newsarama.com/18373-hulk-destroys-banner-destroys-waid-s-indestructible-hulk-post-infinity-changes.html

What are your thoughts?

the danger with a bump in power is he could get retconned which is gay

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