Isn't Hulk supposed to return back to Banner once he's calm?

#1 Posted by AmazingSpidey_707 (60 posts) - - Show Bio

(before the separation)

So, last time I checked Banner turns into the Hulk when he gets mad or his adrenaline increases. In Planet Hulk there are times where you can see that he is calm when nothing bad is going on. There are other situations like this too but, isn't he supposed to revert back to Banner once he's calm?

#2 Posted by _Zombie_ (10383 posts) - - Show Bio

In Planet Hulk, Hulk's anger had gotten so great that he was stuck in Hulk form. Banner was completely suppressed, so he couldn't regain control and force Hulk to give in and allow him to return to human form. Thing is, the anger is just the trigger. The rest has to do with which personality takes control of the brain. When Banner is calm, he can usually maintain enough control over his psyche to keep in his basic human form. If the rage is great enough, Hulk can gain solid footing and maintain dominance. So there are instances where calming down doesn't revert him back.

#3 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

Its gotten real hard to maintain an interest in this character with this oddity in his transformation.

#4 Posted by DUY12 (30 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz said:

Its gotten real hard to maintain an interest in this character with this oddity in his transformation.

#5 Posted by luckydomino1 (491 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah some how hulk gained control of the tranformation he could choose to turn back or not

#6 Posted by Watcherg6 (263 posts) - - Show Bio

Kallarkz is right this last 2 years it's gotten hard, in Marvel comics you have to have, a team mate who can lift up a car, in all the teams, with the hulk now, All of his teams members can do it. Who goes aganist this team? who could stop them? how do the Readers Relate to this? I've been a Fan since 1982, and i can only wait for him to shine again, like in Planet Hulk

#7 Posted by The Stegman (23814 posts) - - Show Bio


Its gotten real hard to maintain an interest in this character with this oddity in his transformation.

this, between his weird transformations, varying mental state (he was smart in WWH but dumb again and talked only in the third person during the introduction of Red Hulk afterwards, i don't even bother with the character
#8 Posted by Mr. Dead Pool (2625 posts) - - Show Bio

This is I why I stopped reading Hulk years ago. I liked him, still do to a capacity, but it just got confusing after a while. Same reason I stopped reading Spawn(Which was not that great to begin with if you ask me.)

#9 Posted by Rasarima (371 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk is a complete different persona. Like Jekyll and Hyde, when one is in charge, he is in charge until he loses control. I will try to explain it:(sorry for my english)

In his early career, he was a new form of life living in a humam body, like a baby, and therefore could not control his emotions and banner also could not. The transformation goes wild, Angry > Hulk, Calm > Banner.

Banner

Banner was the first to understand this, and so, could stop himself from transforming. With this "advantage" over the hulk, he has now some degree of access to the Hulk´s powers without a fully transformation, but if he changes... the wheel is in hulks hands.

Banner was the first to understand his condition also, he is genius level, and started to think "where" he would go when hulk has the upperhand. This led to a "mind subspace" kind of thing, where they both exists simultaneously.

Hulk

With time Hulk also learns how to "stay in charge", this was first perceived when the "hulk wants to be alone" catch frase goes out. He is very dumb, and by himself he sometimes cannot even speak rationally.

He also can access some of the banners intelligence, and that is why he is sometimes a dumb goliath and sometimes he is talking almost normally.

When hulk became the maestro, or in every other "future hulk" story line, the situation is completely reversed. Banner is old and therefore cannot control his emotions, the Hulk is essentially imortal and is in complete charge of things, he is the one who, from time to time, let the banner in or out.

When Banner is dying, hulk stop letting him out, 'couse when he does, banner will die of old age and Hulk with him....

Mind Subspace and WWHulk

This struggle between then stayed pretty much the same, but in some aspects they completely agreed or completely disagreed, and when that happens they both experience a completely new form of interaction.

When they disagree completely, they "mind battle". This is the weakest form of them, when one suppress the other to a degree that the transformation is "forbidden" and there is no access to each others "powers" until the matter is solved.

When they agree completely they become strong. That is the WWHulk form. They where both betrayed when the Illuminati send Hulk to space. Only the hulk could survive in that environment, but the hulk consulted Banner for that. When Hulk found Caiera they both fell in love, when the Hulk showed Banner to her, she kissed banner and that was the first time they both love and where loved by the same person.

When she dies, he is angry, but not "normal" hulk angry. They where both in pain, both angry, both wanting revenge...They where one single mind wanting the same thing using the combined powers of then both in it´s full potential.

Conclusion

That is why Hulk has different degrees of intelligence and transformation, ´cause they are not the same person, and they do not agree every time. When reading a story, try to put yourself in Banner´s and then in Hulk´s side, you will get what Hulk/Banner is in front of you.

#10 Posted by PowerHerc (82778 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel has changed the rules about the Hulk and his transformation so many times it has become nearly impossible to know what the character's rules are anymore.

#11 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rasarima said:

Hulk is a complete different persona. Like Jekyll and Hyde, when one is in charge, he is in charge until he loses control. I will try to explain it:(sorry for my english)

In his early career, he was a new form of life living in a humam body, like a baby, and therefore could not control his emotions and banner also could not. The transformation goes wild, Angry > Hulk, Calm > Banner.

Banner

Banner was the first to understand this, and so, could stop himself from transforming. With this "advantage" over the hulk, he has now some degree of access to the Hulk´s powers without a fully transformation, but if he changes... the wheel is in hulks hands.

Banner was the first to understand his condition also, he is genius level, and started to think "where" he would go when hulk has the upperhand. This led to a "mind subspace" kind of thing, where they both exists simultaneously.

Hulk

With time Hulk also learns how to "stay in charge", this was first perceived when the "hulk wants to be alone" catch frase goes out. He is very dumb, and by himself he sometimes cannot even speak rationally.

He also can access some of the banners intelligence, and that is why he is sometimes a dumb goliath and sometimes he is talking almost normally.

When hulk became the maestro, or in every other "future hulk" story line, the situation is completely reversed. Banner is old and therefore cannot control his emotions, the Hulk is essentially imortal and is in complete charge of things, he is the one who, from time to time, let the banner in or out.

When Banner is dying, hulk stop letting him out, 'couse when he does, banner will die of old age and Hulk with him....

Mind Subspace and WWHulk

This struggle between then stayed pretty much the same, but in some aspects they completely agreed or completely disagreed, and when that happens they both experience a completely new form of interaction.

When they disagree completely, they "mind battle". This is the weakest form of them, when one suppress the other to a degree that the transformation is "forbidden" and there is no access to each others "powers" until the matter is solved.

When they agree completely they become strong. That is the WWHulk form. They where both betrayed when the Illuminati send Hulk to space. Only the hulk could survive in that environment, but the hulk consulted Banner for that. When Hulk found Caiera they both fell in love, when the Hulk showed Banner to her, she kissed banner and that was the first time they both love and where loved by the same person.

When she dies, he is angry, but not "normal" hulk angry. They where both in pain, both angry, both wanting revenge...They where one single mind wanting the same thing using the combined powers of then both in it´s full potential.

Conclusion

That is why Hulk has different degrees of intelligence and transformation, ´cause they are not the same person, and they do not agree every time. When reading a story, try to put yourself in Banner´s and then in Hulk´s side, you will get what Hulk/Banner is in front of you.

i agree with Rasarima's statement.

#12 Posted by AmazingSpidey_707 (60 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rasarima said:

Hulk is a complete different persona. Like Jekyll and Hyde, when one is in charge, he is in charge until he loses control. I will try to explain it:(sorry for my english)

In his early career, he was a new form of life living in a humam body, like a baby, and therefore could not control his emotions and banner also could not. The transformation goes wild, Angry > Hulk, Calm > Banner.

Banner

Banner was the first to understand this, and so, could stop himself from transforming. With this "advantage" over the hulk, he has now some degree of access to the Hulk´s powers without a fully transformation, but if he changes... the wheel is in hulks hands.

Banner was the first to understand his condition also, he is genius level, and started to think "where" he would go when hulk has the upperhand. This led to a "mind subspace" kind of thing, where they both exists simultaneously.

Hulk

With time Hulk also learns how to "stay in charge", this was first perceived when the "hulk wants to be alone" catch frase goes out. He is very dumb, and by himself he sometimes cannot even speak rationally.

He also can access some of the banners intelligence, and that is why he is sometimes a dumb goliath and sometimes he is talking almost normally.

When hulk became the maestro, or in every other "future hulk" story line, the situation is completely reversed. Banner is old and therefore cannot control his emotions, the Hulk is essentially imortal and is in complete charge of things, he is the one who, from time to time, let the banner in or out.

When Banner is dying, hulk stop letting him out, 'couse when he does, banner will die of old age and Hulk with him....

Mind Subspace and WWHulk

This struggle between then stayed pretty much the same, but in some aspects they completely agreed or completely disagreed, and when that happens they both experience a completely new form of interaction.

When they disagree completely, they "mind battle". This is the weakest form of them, when one suppress the other to a degree that the transformation is "forbidden" and there is no access to each others "powers" until the matter is solved.

When they agree completely they become strong. That is the WWHulk form. They where both betrayed when the Illuminati send Hulk to space. Only the hulk could survive in that environment, but the hulk consulted Banner for that. When Hulk found Caiera they both fell in love, when the Hulk showed Banner to her, she kissed banner and that was the first time they both love and where loved by the same person.

When she dies, he is angry, but not "normal" hulk angry. They where both in pain, both angry, both wanting revenge...They where one single mind wanting the same thing using the combined powers of then both in it´s full potential.

Conclusion

That is why Hulk has different degrees of intelligence and transformation, ´cause they are not the same person, and they do not agree every time. When reading a story, try to put yourself in Banner´s and then in Hulk´s side, you will get what Hulk/Banner is in front of you.

WOW thanks, very in-depth explanation.

#13 Posted by higher_evolutionary (2015 posts) - - Show Bio

in the end of the greg pak run it is revealed the bruce banner IS the hulk

#14 Posted by Rasarima (371 posts) - - Show Bio

@AmazingSpidey_707 said:

@Rasarima said:

Hulk is a complete different persona. Like Jekyll and Hyde, when one is in charge, he is in charge until he loses control. I will try to explain it:(sorry for my english)

In his early career, he was a new form of life living in a humam body, like a baby, and therefore could not control his emotions and banner also could not. The transformation goes wild, Angry > Hulk, Calm > Banner.

Banner

Banner was the first to understand this, and so, could stop himself from transforming. With this "advantage" over the hulk, he has now some degree of access to the Hulk´s powers without a fully transformation, but if he changes... the wheel is in hulks hands.

Banner was the first to understand his condition also, he is genius level, and started to think "where" he would go when hulk has the upperhand. This led to a "mind subspace" kind of thing, where they both exists simultaneously.

Hulk

With time Hulk also learns how to "stay in charge", this was first perceived when the "hulk wants to be alone" catch frase goes out. He is very dumb, and by himself he sometimes cannot even speak rationally.

He also can access some of the banners intelligence, and that is why he is sometimes a dumb goliath and sometimes he is talking almost normally.

When hulk became the maestro, or in every other "future hulk" story line, the situation is completely reversed. Banner is old and therefore cannot control his emotions, the Hulk is essentially imortal and is in complete charge of things, he is the one who, from time to time, let the banner in or out.

When Banner is dying, hulk stop letting him out, 'couse when he does, banner will die of old age and Hulk with him....

Mind Subspace and WWHulk

This struggle between then stayed pretty much the same, but in some aspects they completely agreed or completely disagreed, and when that happens they both experience a completely new form of interaction.

When they disagree completely, they "mind battle". This is the weakest form of them, when one suppress the other to a degree that the transformation is "forbidden" and there is no access to each others "powers" until the matter is solved.

When they agree completely they become strong. That is the WWHulk form. They where both betrayed when the Illuminati send Hulk to space. Only the hulk could survive in that environment, but the hulk consulted Banner for that. When Hulk found Caiera they both fell in love, when the Hulk showed Banner to her, she kissed banner and that was the first time they both love and where loved by the same person.

When she dies, he is angry, but not "normal" hulk angry. They where both in pain, both angry, both wanting revenge...They where one single mind wanting the same thing using the combined powers of then both in it´s full potential.

Conclusion

That is why Hulk has different degrees of intelligence and transformation, ´cause they are not the same person, and they do not agree every time. When reading a story, try to put yourself in Banner´s and then in Hulk´s side, you will get what Hulk/Banner is in front of you.

WOW thanks, very in-depth explanation.

Welcome :)

#15 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc: @AmazingSpidey_707 said:

(before the separation)

So, last time I checked Banner turns into the Hulk when he gets mad or his adrenaline increases. In Planet Hulk there are times where you can see that he is calm when nothing bad is going on. There are other situations like this too but, isn't he supposed to revert back to Banner once he's calm?

Hulk doesn't revert to human form in Planet Hulk because he if did, Bruce Banner would've died. Several times throughout the movie you see fog clouds in the atmosphere and unhealthy living conditions, implying that the planet is inhospitable to humans. The directors stated so themselves.

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