Is the Hulk, without Banner's influence, evil?

#1 Posted by CannotSpellMyName (92 posts) - - Show Bio

The Hulk is often considered a monster but with his heart in the right place. However, when Banner has been "shut down" or removed from the Hulk he has often gone berserk and been unable to recognize friend from foe. This leads me into wondering, is the Hulk only good because he has Banner in him? Or is the Hulk a good guy with or without Banner, just more uncontrollable without him?

#2 Edited by dum529001 (1635 posts) - - Show Bio

@cannotspellmyname:

The Hulk is Banner's inner rage. if Banner let himself run wild and do everything, even things that are completely wrong, then yes, he would be evil but he doesn't go completely crazy like that so he's not evil.

Even when the Hulk goes berserk he doesn't usually attack unless he's been attacked. Hulk doesn't strike out unprovoked. And of course, Hulk does not go out of his way to do evil acts. He tries to do good and when attacked prefers to run away so people can leave him alone.

People who bother the Hulk ruin his chance at happy life or they completely deny him the right to life. This doesn't make Hulk happy. Hulk gets mad. In a fight Hulk will go the extra mile, even letting his enemies think they are on control just so he can prove that he is, without a doubt, "the strongest there is" and make them think twice about messing with him the next time they cross paths.

The "leave me alone" thing doesn't always work since people never stop chasing him so he has to fight back at some point, and when decides to do so, he's really ticked off because he feels like the world is driving him into a corner. Nobody likes to having everything taken away from them and be faced with people violating and deny your right to life, threatening to kill to you or put you in cage and not allowing you to conduct your life as would like to, on a nonstop basis. Hulk gets into fights then tries to stay out of them but when he gets tired of people hounding him and wants them to stop, he is forced to fight them anyway. Wash, rinse and repeat. Its a vicious cycle. A cycle of rage, hurt and torment. Being the Hulk isn't all bad but its not a picnic either.

Hulk and Banner are the same person, true, but they are two different sides of that person. The Hulk is just the emotional side of Banner let loose, because Banner doesn't show his emotions, all of them, like anger, outwardly.

No, Hulk is not evil because Bruce Banner is not evil, and vice versa.

#3 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Is a bear evil?

Is a rattlesnake evil?

#4 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33902 posts) - - Show Bio

Is a bear evil?

Is a rattlesnake evil?

This.

The Hulk is emotion and instinct.

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#5 Edited by Lvenger (20739 posts) - - Show Bio

Is a bear evil?

Is a rattlesnake evil?

Rattlesnakes are totally evil. They always give me a glare. And I'm not a fan of poisonous things :P

But I agree. The Hulk is a manifestation of Banner's repressed emotions. He's a part of Banner, that much is for certain but he's far from evil.

By the way, how does this sound for a blog title "Sorry Snyder but I have to leave you now" :P

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#6 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: Are you breaking up with him?

"Sorry Snyder, you're a douche" is better :P

#7 Edited by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

he is mindless without banner. nothing but an empty vessel.

#8 Edited by Lvenger (20739 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: Are you breaking up with him?

"Sorry Snyder, you're a douche" is better :P

I prefer to think of it as 'taking a break' from him. Snyder teased a Riddler story a while ago and I was looking forward to that. I guess it was superceded by Zero Year. Once that's over and Snyder starts writing current Batman, I'll go back to his series.

Once Zero Year starts, I have no interest reading a title that just rehashes old origin plot points with an early Bruce Wayne and a younger Batman. I'd rather my last few issues that I read of Batman before I have to cut back big time on my pull list actually had current, well written Batman in. Layman's run is supposed to be good so I'm giving that a try.

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#9 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

of course not, hulk is a F*cking hero!

#10 Posted by Pyrogram (40922 posts) - - Show Bio

of course not, hulk is a F*cking hero!

Is he without banner? Was WWH with or without banner? I do not even know xD

#11 Edited by Lvenger (20739 posts) - - Show Bio

of course not, hulk is a F*cking hero!

Knew you'd leap to Hulk's defense :P

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#12 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrogram said:

@theacidskull said:

of course not, hulk is a F*cking hero!

Is he without banner? Was WWH with or without banner? I do not even know xD

Yup, the Mindless hulk was simply rage, WWH was banner and hulk working together.

@lvenger said:

@theacidskull said:

of course not, hulk is a F*cking hero!

Knew you'd leap to Hulk's defense :P

well of course :P

#13 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@fadetoblackbolt said:

@lvenger: Are you breaking up with him?

"Sorry Snyder, you're a douche" is better :P

I prefer to think of it as 'taking a break' from him. Snyder teased a Riddler story a while ago and I was looking forward to that. I guess it was superceded by Zero Year. Once that's over and Snyder starts writing current Batman, I'll go back to his series.

Once Zero Year starts, I have no interest reading a title that just rehashes old origin plot points with an early Bruce Wayne and a younger Batman. I'd rather my last few issues that I read of Batman before I have to cut back big time on my pull list actually had current, well written Batman in. Layman's run is supposed to be good so I'm giving that a try.

snyder really disappointed you huh?

#14 Posted by Lvenger (20739 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: Eh I like a lot of what he's doing but at times he can lose the plot a bit.

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#15 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@theacidskull: Eh I like a lot of what he's doing but at times he can lose the plot a bit.

Can't wait for your blog :P

#16 Posted by joshmightbe (24937 posts) - - Show Bio

Without Banner Hulk is pretty much a Super powered toddler, he wouldn't actually understand the concepts of good and evil

#17 Edited by dum529001 (1635 posts) - - Show Bio

Without Banner Hulk is pretty much a Super powered toddler, he wouldn't actually understand the concepts of good and evil

Pretty much.

#18 Posted by TDK_1997 (14985 posts) - - Show Bio

No.He is a manifestation of Banner's emotions.

#19 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio
#20 Posted by Oscars94 (2582 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope 616 Hulk is a hero at heart. Ultimate Hulk on the other hand....

#21 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4530 posts) - - Show Bio

The Hulk without Banner is just pure rage, without any sort of intelligence at all. This was discovered when Doc Samson separated the two. The Hulk went into a rage around MU, I believe Dr.Strange sent him to another realm, because there was no hope for the mindless Hulk.

#22 Posted by Teerack (7069 posts) - - Show Bio

There is actually another personality Hulk and Banner locked away a long time ago that was a sorta evil Hulk.

#23 Posted by guttridgeb (4832 posts) - - Show Bio

The Hulk without Banner is just pure rage, without any sort of intelligence at all. This was discovered when Doc Samson separated the two. The Hulk went into a rage around MU, I believe Dr.Strange sent him to another realm, because there was no hope for the mindless Hulk.

This is no longer the case, Dr. Doom's separation of the two resulted not only in a Hulk that spoke but Gravage Hulk who has higher intelligence than normal. Though I haven't reread the comic since around the time I first purchased it, IIRC this was because Doom did a better job of it (I may be wrong.)

#24 Edited by evilvegeta74 (4530 posts) - - Show Bio

@evilvegeta74 said:

The Hulk without Banner is just pure rage, without any sort of intelligence at all. This was discovered when Doc Samson separated the two. The Hulk went into a rage around MU, I believe Dr.Strange sent him to another realm, because there was no hope for the mindless Hulk.

This is no longer the case, Dr. Doom's separation of the two resulted not only in a Hulk that spoke but Gravage Hulk who has higher intelligence than normal. Though I haven't reread the comic since around the time I first purchased it, IIRC this was because Doom did a better job of it (I may be wrong.)

I forgot, you're 100% right, I should have said originally.

#25 Posted by w0nd (3713 posts) - - Show Bio

@guttridgeb said:

@evilvegeta74 said:

The Hulk without Banner is just pure rage, without any sort of intelligence at all. This was discovered when Doc Samson separated the two. The Hulk went into a rage around MU, I believe Dr.Strange sent him to another realm, because there was no hope for the mindless Hulk.

This is no longer the case, Dr. Doom's separation of the two resulted not only in a Hulk that spoke but Gravage Hulk who has higher intelligence than normal. Though I haven't reread the comic since around the time I first purchased it, IIRC this was because Doom did a better job of it (I may be wrong.)

I forgot, you're 100% right, I should have said originally.

Adding on to this, once they were separated it turned out banner was the worse of the two, and turned out to be a horrible man :P

#26 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@w0nd said:
@evilvegeta74 said:

@guttridgeb said:

@evilvegeta74 said:

The Hulk without Banner is just pure rage, without any sort of intelligence at all. This was discovered when Doc Samson separated the two. The Hulk went into a rage around MU, I believe Dr.Strange sent him to another realm, because there was no hope for the mindless Hulk.

This is no longer the case, Dr. Doom's separation of the two resulted not only in a Hulk that spoke but Gravage Hulk who has higher intelligence than normal. Though I haven't reread the comic since around the time I first purchased it, IIRC this was because Doom did a better job of it (I may be wrong.)

I forgot, you're 100% right, I should have said originally.

Adding on to this, once they were separated it turned out banner was the worse of the two, and turned out to be a horrible man :P

That whole Run Was a load of Bull

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