I was wondering and speculating about Hulk's potential abilities based on his powerset and energy source. I came up with the infamous speed potential Hulk should posses given how he was created in the first place. Then this thread of Superman vs Hulk vs Thor was created a few days ago where the OP equalized the speeds, making Hulk and Thor able to fight at Mach600 at best, which made me think, in which tier Hulk would be if he could move at such speed or higher...

Hulk is a Gamma powered green dude... What if, he could actually move and fight at the speed of Gamma rays... In other words, at the speed of light. I've found quite hard to place him in a tier, since speed is Hulk's Achilles Tendon and taking that off would make him an exponentially increased threat to what he currently is...

In which tier would you place him?

On a side note, do you think Hulk's speed potential would be ever exploited by a writer?

@theacidskull: Im not saying he would need such an amp, the truth is he doesn't. I agree, if he could move at such speed, it would be WAY too overpowered. That the reason i can't place him in a decent tier, hypothetically speaking...

@saren: Hehehe... right... Dum...

Oh god that's just what this thread needs, he lied sarcastically.

Not much would change honestly, you just wouldn't have nearly as much naysayers on the forums as you do now.

People don't think Hulk is very powerful. Plain and simple. Even when his comic says that he is.

They think he has great force production without great power which is impossible at his size.

Saying that Hulk has the mass of a planet and barely moves at hypersonic speed is ridiculous.

Hulk can already move at mach 600 with ease. That's not even punching speed you'd see when he's hitting like a nuke.

If you don't want to acknowledge Hulk has force that moves at a rate so great that he can equal forces such as gamma ray bursts then don't but saying he has trouble with supersonic speeds is just lying.

Even with all the stuff Hulk does and has done people don't want to fully acknowledge Hulk because it makes other characters look weak and not so powerful.

@saren: Oh look the party's just getting started -_-

@ghostravage good question. I've thought about this before wondering if like his strength/durability/regeneration if his speed increased with anger. There are two cases in comics that come to mind:

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Hypothetically if it does increase with anger I still think Hulk would explode in a giant gamma burst before he starts zipping around the battle field at the speed of light. As others have pointed out, he'd be ridiculously over powered and it's really not necessary for Hulk to still be a power-house.

@green_skaar said:

@ghostravage good question. I've thought about this before wondering if like his strength/durability/regeneration if his speed increased with anger. There are two cases in comics that come to mind:

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Hypothetically if it does increase with anger I still think Hulk would explode in a giant gamma burst before he starts zipping around the battle field at the speed of light. As others have pointed out, he'd be ridiculously over powered and it's really not necessary for Hulk to still be a power-house.

Why would Hulk explode from his own power?

And Hulk couldn't jump around at lightspeed because the ground would crumble under such force.

I'm referring to Hulk's nuke-level striking being light speed and faster than light.

Hulk comics refer to the level of vast nuclear power Hulk has and how his speed is not represented by his size.

@green_skaar said:

@ghostravage good question. I've thought about this before wondering if like his strength/durability/regeneration if his speed increased with anger. There are two cases in comics that come to mind:

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Hypothetically if it does increase with anger I still think Hulk would explode in a giant gamma burst before he starts zipping around the battle field at the speed of light. As others have pointed out, he'd be ridiculously over powered and it's really not necessary for Hulk to still be a power-house.

The Green Scar also moved as a blur during Indestructible Hulk 14

so it's entirely possible the speed boost may apply to all Hulks hypothetically.

I would say that Hulks speed is relative to his level of anger and therefore his strength, since he doesn't gain mass at the same rate as he does strength, the angrier he is the faster he is.

Plus i think that even in his earliest appearances he was able to run at 80mph.

THE INCREDIBLE HULK #3

"The Most Powerful Muscles Of Any Living Thing On Earth!"

That quote is said many times in comics, Why is that? It's because....

Hulk is fueled by nuclear power(forces of atomic destruction) , also known as gamma rays. Its energy is reliant on the objects speed of vibration. This is the power of the Hulk.

Muscle power is all about the speed of muscle contraction. Muscles put out power by stretching and then rapidly shortening like rubber bands. Power is the force of an object and how fast that force is traveling.

Hulk hits with the same force of a nuclear arsenal with a mass of only 2000 pounds. His muscle contractions move at the speed of light or greater to do that, because of the atom smashing forces that he's fueled by, known as gamma-rays. Hisblows, just lika nuke, push forth a hypersonic wall of air capaable of completely devasting anything in front of it.

Because of this, the writers don't have to directly state Hulk's speed when he's really cutting loose with his striking/thrusting.

The nature of gamma rays speaks for itself. Constantly stating Hulk's speed would just be redundant.

And of course, Hulk's muscle and skeletal tissue and all his other body tissues are built with the durability that is necessary to withstand putting out such great forces. If he couldn't, his body would fall apart.

Superhuman bodies are going to be more dense, denser than a normal human body, and which allows it to handle the pressures it puts on itself as it goes against the force of other objects, able to withstand their own rebounding force or forces that are akin to theirs. As we know Hulk, body is far denser than a normal human's.

It's the same on a human level. When you work-out constantly enough your muscles thicken. The reason muscles thicken when you workout is so they can exert more energy without being torn up in the process. The body is adjusting to the constant and abnormal energy output of the muscles by making them tougher to keep them from getting torn up.

Gamma rays bursts come from the most violent cosmic events in the universe, such as a sun collapsing in on itself, clashing neutron stars, black holes, etc.

unlike supernova, gamma ray bursts do not explode in a spherical motion but a jet-stream motion.

Gamma rays burst produce as much energy as the sun does in its entire billion year life cycle. The sun is like a trillion megaton bombs exploding every second. That would make the sun's total energy approximately That's about 31 nontillion 360 octillion megatons.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN Gamma rays AND THE OTHER LOWER FORMS OF RADIATION:

electromagnetic radition is a particle wave that moves the speed of light in one direction a vibrates at a certain speed in another.

In one direction UV rays and gamma rays travel at the speed of light, yet the partcles are so small that what really acoounts for the difference in power is the speed they move at from side to side.

How fast the wave vibrates from side to side is what determines destructive power.

Stars emit gamma rays, but since they are afar off from earth, by the time the rays reach us, their energy has died down so that they don't rupture atoms down to their cores, and so they become UV rays.

There you go! UV rays actually come from gamma rays. And gamma rays come from burning the energy of hydrogens which starts the chemical reaction known as nuclear fusion.

This is where the difference in wavelength/frequency comes from. The slower the vibration, the greater the wave lengh. And in reverse, the faster the vibration, the smaller the wavelength.

Hulk's energy doesn't come from being as massive as planet.

Hulk's bodily energy is on the level of a star or greater. The sun generates alot of energy at once but that is because it has billions upon billion of tons of hydrogen atoms to convert into gamma ray particles all at once. Hulk can genrate the same levels of energy but with less mass. That means they are faster and therefore more powerful than the sun. Their bodies are simply vast storehouses of energy.

Indestructible Hulk#1 Incredilbe Hulk #410 showing the nuclear power of the Hulk:

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The Thunderclap: One the iconic ways Hulk displays his power

He can bring his hands together and create devastating shockwaves, hurling air particles at high velocities. They've been described as "louder than a jet plane's sonic boom." FromIncredible Hulk #4 and Fantastic Four #12:

So, what's the description of the shockwave from a nuclear explosion, exactly?

The same way an atomic bomb explodes and the fireball of nuclear energy pushes out a wave of air that is hundreds of times faster than sound that puts craters in the earth and causes most the widespread damage to buildings. 99 percent aren't killed by the atomizing radiation from a nuclear bomb since no one is usaully hit at point blank range, because otherwise they would be instantly vaporized, but they experience the secondary shockwave force and the left over radiation of the bomb.The secondary shockwave of an atomic bomb starts at about 184 Km/s or Mach 540 for a short distance before slowing down.

As I said before, much of the damage inflicted by a nuclear explosion is the result of its shock wave. There are two components to a blast's shock wave. First, there's the wall of pressure that expands outward from the explosion. It is this pressure, measured in psi (pounds per square inch), that blows away the walls from buildings. A typical two-story house subjected to 5 psi would feel the force of 180 tons on the side facing the blast. (Download the Quicktime movie entitled house to see an example of a building subjected to this type of pressure.) Additionally, the blast creates a 160 mile-an-hour wind. And that's only at 5 psi. The wind speed following a 20 psi blast would be 500 mph!

Hulk bring literally brings down the house In incredible Hulk #246 and Tales to astonish #65:

Hulk is so powerful that he can shred just about anything in its path with just the hypersonic waves he can make.

it takes as much as 1.1 GPa to pull a stainless

steel wire apart, but wait a minute, how thick is the wire? Well, 1.1 GPa means 1.1 thousand million Newtons per

square metre. Thus, it takes a force of about 1.1 thousand million Newtons (equivalent to about one hundred

million kilograms, dividing Newtons by 10 gives you kg approximately) to pull apart a wire one metre in

cross-section (area = Pi x radius squared, for a circular wire, giving the wire a radius of 56 cm, or a diameter of

112 cm) - that's a very thick wire! In practise engineers might measure this on a bar of steel one centimetre

thick, but to compare this to say a plank of wood 10 cm thick, they scale everything up into one square metre

and quote the result as GPa or MPa. (One MPa or megapascal = one million Pascals).

Example: a steel wire with a cross-sectional area of one square cm, that's 0.0001 square metres, since there

are 100 cm in one metre and 100 x 100 = 10000 square cm in one square m (this wire will have a diameter just

over 1 cm) requires (1.1 GPa x 0.0001m = 0.00011 Newtons = 0.11 N = 110 N = 110 000 N) 110 000 Newtons

of force to break it.

Dividing by ten, this means that such a wire could hold 11 000 kg dangling from it, that's

about three of our elephants!

A single thunderclap shreds an entire battalion of tanks with force of "near nuclear proportions" in Tales to Astonish #67:

1 newton per 0.224808943 pounds force.

1,000,000,000, netwons= 224,808,942.44300002

That's 224 million 808 hundred thousand 924 hundred pounds!

1ton=2000pounds

224,808,942.44300002/2000= 112,000 tons

What is a shockwave and how does a sonic boom occur?

Shock waves are large amplitude pressure waves produced by an object moving faster than the speed of sound like a boat or plane, or other things such as an explosion, lightning or even a moving piston.When a source moves faster than the waves it produces, no waves will form in front of the source but will pile up behind and become compressed. The waves protruding are confined to a cone that narrows as the speed of the source increases and the waves bunch up, creating high-pressure regions outside the compressed waves. This border from inside to outside is the shock wave. The strength of a shock wave dissipates greatly with distance, much more so than a regular wave, as heat and other energy are more quickly transferred into the surrounding environment. Once enough energy has dissipated, the shock wave will become a regular wave such as a sound wave.

As for sonic booms.....

The “sound barrier,” in actuality, is the speed that must be attained by matter, — airplane, missile, water, air — where a vacuum bubble is created in the moving matter’s wake. When the vacuum bubble forms, the matter around it rushes into the vacuum without resistance of any other matter and therefore attains super-sonic speeds. When the matter rushing into the vacuum surpasses the “sound barrier,” a sonic BOOM occurs. An IMPLOSION. This is the sequence heard when an airplane goes super-sonic, or where a lightning arc super-heats the surrounding air so fast that it blasts away from the heat creating a vacuum bubble and then cooler air rushes into the vacuum. The vacuum causes very powerful implosions, one type of implosion is termed “inertial cavitation,” a phenomenon which can destroy propellers and water pipes. The implosion also causes compression which can instantly generate enormous heat signatures. Continuously occurring inertial cavitation will, over time, destroy metal by the continuous blasts of heat energy which eventually melts the metal away. Such damage looks as though the metal was chipped away.

I think with his strength, durability and healing factor his speed is pegged back for a reason, or he just wouldn't ever lose a punch up.

@outside_85: the grey Hulk ran at around 500-600 MPH

If Hulk moved at light speed he would at least be Superman level imo.

I would say the Hulk is certainly deceptively fast for his size, which is a well established fact. Anyone remember "The Incredible Hulk" issue 316?

But speed of light is ignorant status. "The Avengers" film conveyed the Hulk's speed well.

And still they said doomsday is faster than the hulk. Doomsday doesn't really have speed feat, unlike the hulk who have been showing good speed frequently. Indestructible hulk is the absolute proof. Doomsday is no match for the hulk speed. That's the plain truth.