Hulk

#1 Posted by Valkaad (2589 posts) - - Show Bio

Why does the Hulk have shape-shifter and size manipulation listed as powers?

#2 Posted by Heart of Infinity (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

good question I never seen him shapeshift and the only size manipulation is banner to hulk which doesnt count at all

#3 Posted by Valkaad (2589 posts) - - Show Bio

I think both of those powers should be deleted from his page. All in favor type "yep"

#4 Posted by Heart of Infinity (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

yep

#5 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

Technically he does have those powers. He's not the Martian Manhunter, but he can become big and green (or grey). When ranking him with those powers you should bare that in mind.

#6 Posted by Heart of Infinity (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

So a transformation from his alter ego to hulk is really size manipulation?

Is he really just shape shifting or is he completly transforming into the hulk

evn hulk regards banner as a different person

#7 Posted by Valkaad (2589 posts) - - Show Bio

Cosmic Sentinel says:

"Technically he does have those powers. He's not the Martian Manhunter, but he can become big and green (or grey). When ranking him with those powers you should bare that in mind."

He doesn't control his changes from green to grey and he also doesn't control his size (that is really dependent upon who draws him). Manipulation is by definition, exerting influence over or taking action to control something and he in no way controls or has direct influence over his size. As far as shape-shifting that is really stretching it! His change from banner to the hulk isn't a shape-shift, the hulk is pretty much another entity unto himself complete.

#8 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - - Show Bio

I would say it counts. I mean turning into the hulk is shapeing his body into a big hulking green monster. And while he is the Hulk he has shown to get bigger as he gets angier. He just doesn't do it as much as someone like Martain Manhunter or Hank Pym.

#9 Posted by Valkaad (2589 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody says:

"I would say it counts. I mean turning into the hulk is shapeing his body into a big hulking green monster. And while he is the Hulk he has shown to get bigger as he gets angier. He just doesn't do it as much as someone like Martain Manhunter or Hank Pym."

There is a difference in shifting shape and a tranformation. The Squadron Supreme member Shape shifts his shape, Banner transforms into the hulk! His transformation isn't a shape-shift. You really consider Hulk a shape-shifter c'mon that's pretty ridiculous. As far as his size increasing the angrier he gets the only time I have ever really seen that is in the movie. Nowhere in any right-up of the Hulks powers is it listed that he grows as he gets madder! Have you noticed any size increases in his battles in WWHULK because I surely haven't! To list hulk as a shape-shifter takes away from people who actually have that power (do you consider colossus a shape-shifter, what about she-hulk?). And like I said size manipulation means Manipulating you size, the hulk in no way shape or form controls his size.

#10 Posted by Iron Apollo (2191 posts) - - Show Bio

Valkaad says:

"Cosmic Sentinel says:
"Technically he does have those powers. He's not the Martian Manhunter, but he can become big and green (or grey). When ranking him with those powers you should bare that in mind."

He doesn't control his changes from green to grey and he also doesn't control his size (that is really dependent upon who draws him). Manipulation is by definition, exerting influence over or taking action to control something and he in no way controls or has direct influence over his size. As far as shape-shifting that is really stretching it! His change from banner to the hulk isn't a shape-shift, the hulk is pretty much another entity unto himself complete."

Rogue and Cyclops can't control their powers, but they still have them.

And if the hulk is a different entity form banner than that would fit the definition of a shapeshifter, physically changing into something that isn't the persons original self. he just deasn't have variety of what is the accepted power of ashapeshifter.

#11 Posted by Valkaad (2589 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Apollo says:

"Valkaad says:
"Cosmic Sentinel says:
"Technically he does have those powers. He's not the Martian Manhunter, but he can become big and green (or grey). When ranking him with those powers you should bare that in mind."
He doesn't control his changes from green to grey and he also doesn't control his size (that is really dependent upon who draws him). Manipulation is by definition, exerting influence over or taking action to control something and he in no way controls or has direct influence over his size. As far as shape-shifting that is really stretching it! His change from banner to the hulk isn't a shape-shift, the hulk is pretty much another entity unto himself complete."
Rogue and Cyclops can't control their powers, but they still have them. And if the hulk is a different entity form banner than that would fit the definition of a shapeshifter, physically changing into something that isn't the persons original self. he just deasn't have variety of what is the accepted power of ashapeshifter."

The difference is in the word MANIPULATION! Cyclops has blast power not blast manipulation and rogue has power absorption not power manipulation. If cyclops could manipulate his blasts then by definition he COULD control them.

#12 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - - Show Bio

Valkaad says:

"Iron Apollo says:
"Valkaad says:
"Cosmic Sentinel says:
"Technically he does have those powers. He's not the Martian Manhunter, but he can become big and green (or grey). When ranking him with those powers you should bare that in mind."
He doesn't control his changes from green to grey and he also doesn't control his size (that is really dependent upon who draws him). Manipulation is by definition, exerting influence over or taking action to control something and he in no way controls or has direct influence over his size. As far as shape-shifting that is really stretching it! His change from banner to the hulk isn't a shape-shift, the hulk is pretty much another entity unto himself complete."
Rogue and Cyclops can't control their powers, but they still have them. And if the hulk is a different entity form banner than that would fit the definition of a shapeshifter, physically changing into something that isn't the persons original self. he just deasn't have variety of what is the accepted power of ashapeshifter."
The difference is in the word MANIPULATION! Cyclops has blast power not blast manipulation and rogue has power absorption not power manipulation. If cyclops could manipulate his blasts then by definition he COULD control them. "
Right now Hulk can change from Bruce to Hulk and back again by will power. That is changing his shape and size by him wanting to. That is manipulation.
#13 Posted by Rotten gun (2509 posts) - - Show Bio

nobody is right

#14 Posted by Valkaad (2589 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody says:

"Valkaad says:
"Iron Apollo says:
"Valkaad says:
"Cosmic Sentinel says:
"Technically he does have those powers. He's not the Martian Manhunter, but he can become big and green (or grey). When ranking him with those powers you should bare that in mind."
He doesn't control his changes from green to grey and he also doesn't control his size (that is really dependent upon who draws him). Manipulation is by definition, exerting influence over or taking action to control something and he in no way controls or has direct influence over his size. As far as shape-shifting that is really stretching it! His change from banner to the hulk isn't a shape-shift, the hulk is pretty much another entity unto himself complete."
Rogue and Cyclops can't control their powers, but they still have them. And if the hulk is a different entity form banner than that would fit the definition of a shapeshifter, physically changing into something that isn't the persons original self. he just deasn't have variety of what is the accepted power of ashapeshifter."
The difference is in the word MANIPULATION! Cyclops has blast power not blast manipulation and rogue has power absorption not power manipulation. If cyclops could manipulate his blasts then by definition he COULD control them. "
Right now Hulk can change from Bruce to Hulk and back again by will power. That is changing his shape and size by him wanting to. That is manipulation. "

He is tranforming into a completely different being! He cannot control his size, or his shape! He is either the size and shape of the Hulk or the size and shape of Banner. You are really stretching the definition of shape-shifter. I'll ask again, is colossus a shapeshifter and size manipulator? Is she-hulk? According to you I guess Donald Blake is also a shape-shifter and has size manipulation powers.

#15 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't really think Hulk has size manipulation or shape manipulation or whatever. There's a massive difference between manipulation and transformation. So perfect example, Wolf-Man is a size and shape manipulator now because of his TRANSFORMATION? If thats the case, it makes no sense, and its stupid. So, I rest my case.

#16 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - - Show Bio

Valkaad says:

"Nobody says:
"Valkaad says:
"Iron Apollo says:
"Valkaad says:
"Cosmic Sentinel says:
"Technically he does have those powers. He's not the Martian Manhunter, but he can become big and green (or grey). When ranking him with those powers you should bare that in mind."
He doesn't control his changes from green to grey and he also doesn't control his size (that is really dependent upon who draws him). Manipulation is by definition, exerting influence over or taking action to control something and he in no way controls or has direct influence over his size. As far as shape-shifting that is really stretching it! His change from banner to the hulk isn't a shape-shift, the hulk is pretty much another entity unto himself complete."
Rogue and Cyclops can't control their powers, but they still have them. And if the hulk is a different entity form banner than that would fit the definition of a shapeshifter, physically changing into something that isn't the persons original self. he just deasn't have variety of what is the accepted power of ashapeshifter."
The difference is in the word MANIPULATION! Cyclops has blast power not blast manipulation and rogue has power absorption not power manipulation. If cyclops could manipulate his blasts then by definition he COULD control them. "
Right now Hulk can change from Bruce to Hulk and back again by will power. That is changing his shape and size by him wanting to. That is manipulation. "
He is tranforming into a completely different being! He cannot control his size, or his shape! He is either the size and shape of the Hulk or the size and shape of Banner. You are really stretching the definition of shape-shifter. I'll ask again, is colossus a shapeshifter and size manipulator? Is she-hulk? According to you I guess Donald Blake is also a shape-shifter and has size manipulation powers."
Technically they are. Does it put them at the top of the ranks for it? Heck not their are much better ones out their but they are.
#17 Posted by Rotten gun (2509 posts) - - Show Bio

he is a shapeshifter... but only of limited ability. the question should be "what ranking does hulk have as a shape shifter?" he should be one of the lowest but still within the category

#18 Posted by Valkaad (2589 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody says:

"Valkaad says:
"Nobody says:
"Valkaad says:
"Iron Apollo says:
"Valkaad says:
"Cosmic Sentinel says:
"Technically he does have those powers. He's not the Martian Manhunter, but he can become big and green (or grey). When ranking him with those powers you should bare that in mind."
He doesn't control his changes from green to grey and he also doesn't control his size (that is really dependent upon who draws him). Manipulation is by definition, exerting influence over or taking action to control something and he in no way controls or has direct influence over his size. As far as shape-shifting that is really stretching it! His change from banner to the hulk isn't a shape-shift, the hulk is pretty much another entity unto himself complete."
Rogue and Cyclops can't control their powers, but they still have them. And if the hulk is a different entity form banner than that would fit the definition of a shapeshifter, physically changing into something that isn't the persons original self. he just deasn't have variety of what is the accepted power of ashapeshifter."
The difference is in the word MANIPULATION! Cyclops has blast power not blast manipulation and rogue has power absorption not power manipulation. If cyclops could manipulate his blasts then by definition he COULD control them. "
Right now Hulk can change from Bruce to Hulk and back again by will power. That is changing his shape and size by him wanting to. That is manipulation. "
He is tranforming into a completely different being! He cannot control his size, or his shape! He is either the size and shape of the Hulk or the size and shape of Banner. You are really stretching the definition of shape-shifter. I'll ask again, is colossus a shapeshifter and size manipulator? Is she-hulk? According to you I guess Donald Blake is also a shape-shifter and has size manipulation powers."
Technically they are. Does it put them at the top of the ranks for it? Heck not their are much better ones out their but they are. "

You're serious?? If someone said list some people who have the power of size-manipulation you would think well Bruce Banner, Donald Blake, Jennifer Walters, Billy Batson they all have size-manipulation powers! I cannot believe anyone REALLY thinks that the hulk is a shape-shifter and I find it even harder to believe that ANYONE would think he has size manipulation powers. It is almost laughable.

#19 Posted by Rotten gun (2509 posts) - - Show Bio

what category do you place this ability in? problem is its the only place it could go

#20 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - - Show Bio

Valkaad says:

"Nobody says:
"Valkaad says:
"Nobody says:
"Valkaad says:
"Iron Apollo says:
"Valkaad says:
"Cosmic Sentinel says:
"Technically he does have those powers. He's not the Martian Manhunter, but he can become big and green (or grey). When ranking him with those powers you should bare that in mind."
He doesn't control his changes from green to grey and he also doesn't control his size (that is really dependent upon who draws him). Manipulation is by definition, exerting influence over or taking action to control something and he in no way controls or has direct influence over his size. As far as shape-shifting that is really stretching it! His change from banner to the hulk isn't a shape-shift, the hulk is pretty much another entity unto himself complete."
Rogue and Cyclops can't control their powers, but they still have them. And if the hulk is a different entity form banner than that would fit the definition of a shapeshifter, physically changing into something that isn't the persons original self. he just deasn't have variety of what is the accepted power of ashapeshifter."
The difference is in the word MANIPULATION! Cyclops has blast power not blast manipulation and rogue has power absorption not power manipulation. If cyclops could manipulate his blasts then by definition he COULD control them. "
Right now Hulk can change from Bruce to Hulk and back again by will power. That is changing his shape and size by him wanting to. That is manipulation. "
He is tranforming into a completely different being! He cannot control his size, or his shape! He is either the size and shape of the Hulk or the size and shape of Banner. You are really stretching the definition of shape-shifter. I'll ask again, is colossus a shapeshifter and size manipulator? Is she-hulk? According to you I guess Donald Blake is also a shape-shifter and has size manipulation powers."
Technically they are. Does it put them at the top of the ranks for it? Heck not their are much better ones out their but they are. "
You're serious?? If someone said list some people who have the power of size-manipulation you would think well Bruce Banner, Donald Blake, Jennifer Walters, Billy Batson they all have size-manipulation powers! I cannot believe anyone REALLY thinks that the hulk is a shape-shifter and I find it even harder to believe that ANYONE would think he has size manipulation powers. It is almost laughable."
No I wouldn't list them off the top of my head. But when you think about it they have that power. Like I said there are much better characters that should top the chart for it but he does have the power. No matter how you look at it he manipulates his size and changes his shape.
#21 Posted by Copy (8336 posts) - - Show Bio

i think he shape changes from Bruce to hulk and size manipulation is like he sometimes get bigger when he get angrier

#22 Posted by Heart of Infinity (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

Well come to think of it he technically has those powers. I looked up the term and I

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_shifter

its just the debate of where you draw the line. Yes that means Billy Batson has the power of shapeshifting then too I mean when most people normally think of shapeshifting they think of Morph, Mystique, Super Skrull, etc A lot of the DBZ villians have it but more people consider it on terms with a Transformation. But in a literal sense you are changing shape. Hulk has the ability to change his form back to banner so that means he is technically a shape shifter
Post Edited:2007-09-21 21:42:41

#23 Posted by Rotten gun (2509 posts) - - Show Bio

Heart of Infinity says:

"Well come to think of it he technically has those powers. I looked up the term and I http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_shifter its just the debate of where you draw the line. Yes that means Billy Batson has the power of shapeshifting then too I mean when most people normally think of shapeshifting they think of Morph, Mystique, Super Skrull, etc A lot of the DBZ villians have it but more people consider it on terms with a Transformation. But in a literal sense you are changing shape. Hulk has the ability to change his form back to banner so that means he is technically a shape shifter
Post Edited:2007-09-21 21:42:41"

good work... you got style

#24 Posted by Heart of Infinity (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

thanks =p

hey I am not right all the time. so I research to try to make sure if I am or not and I wasn't

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