How does everyone here feel about the beating Zeus gave the Hulk?

#1 Posted by seekquaze (401 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

In Hulk #622 hulk takes on Zeus in a straight fist fight and gets beat so bad he vomits just about all the blood in his body, chained to a rock for vulture food, and three days later still has not healed and needs to be rescued.

This beating caused a lot of upset among Hulk fans who felt in a straight physical fight Hulk should be invincible even against someone as powerful as Zeus. Others feel it was humiliating with the way Hulk did not get in one-shot aside from a sucker punch and was left in chains.

How does everyone here feel about it?

#2 Posted by danhimself (18943 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

Zeus was just reborn and no one knows what his power levels are right now....either way Hulk shouldn't be able to beat Zeus...what's the point in being called the King of the Gods if someone can beat him

#3 Posted by Jacory44Williams (86 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

well it could have gone better for Hulk, and some things just don't make sense like Hulk needing 3 days to heal, but i think every major needs one of those issues where they just lose a fight, Thor has one, i think surfer has one, i think juggernaut has, this is Hulk's ... it's kind of necessary

#4 Posted by ThanosIsMad (2093 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

Seeing as Zeus has trashed the entire Avengers lineup before, Thor included, taking on Hulk solo shouldn't be surprising.

#5 Posted by danhimself (18943 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

@Jacory44Williams said:

" well it could have gone better for Hulk, and some things just don't make sense like Hulk needing 3 days to heal, but i think every major needs one of those issues where they just lose a fight, Thor has one, i think surfer has one, i think juggernaut has, this is Hulk's ... it's kind of necessary "

it didn't take him 3 days to heal....the vultures were eating him the entire time so he never had that chance to heal

#6 Posted by Valtot (4502 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

the entire fight is posted here for anyone who hasnt seen it

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=518265&pagenumber=4

#7 Posted by Jacory44Williams (86 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

@danhimself:
well i stand correct,but how was knocked out for three days, and how can vultures do what bullets can't

#8 Edited by SC (9990 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

I laugh, but not out too loudly lol and I am a Hulk fan, and many of my friends are bigger Hulk fans (and this includes some minor 'friends' I met online) than me. My laughter is not directed at them. Plus such things happen to all characters including characters I like more than Hulk. (I think Batman gut kicked Wonder Woman this week too? I laughed there because it was silly) Plus plus plus, I can't help but think Pak did this so in a few months when Hulk destroys Odin, Hercules, Zeus or Thor in a fight he can use the I don't always let the Hulk win excuse, look, he got beat up by Zeus a few months ago... etc

I laugh though because Hulk got to one shot Ares under Pak, beat Hercules so bad his eye was swollen and bruised closed, beat Blackbolt, Dr Strange, crushed Thing, this just a small sample, of the things he got to do during World War Hulk. Pak is a hardcore Hulk fan, and it shows, he treats Hulk really well with many pretty cool storylines, and yet still, so many Hulk fans are now turning on him and some are even calling for him to quit or get fired. Wow. Plus with examples I gave, apparently its okay for Hulk to trash characters and beat them down in a severe fashion, but its not okay for Hulk to receive? Favoritism in its fourth worst form. The worst type of Hulk fanboys are like the worst type of any fanboy, they cheery pick examples to give them a sense of entitlement and they get really righteous and bitter when people deny them of their most indulgent projected fantasies.

#9 Posted by GBandit (104 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

I love it! People tend to assume Zeus and the Gods are weaklings because Hercules and others dares to disobey them and make fool of them

#10 Posted by PowerHerc (52457 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

It's fine with me.
The Hulk is the strongest one there is in the Marvel Universe, but being the strongest doesn't guarantee he'll win every fight. Zeus is a sky-father and as such he has so much more power than just strength, not to mention he can probably augment his already immense strength. He also has speed, durability, stamina and thousands of years of fighting experience.
Zeus beating the Hulk in a one-sided fight is entirely plausible. If the Hulk would have beat Zeus, or even given him a close fight, that would have been implausible.

#11 Posted by ComicMan24 (146853 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

Go Zeus!!! :P

#12 Posted by darth_brendroid (1717 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

Completely believable, tbh. It's times like this that give a checkpoint for character's powers/fighting capacity. Also, in the event of a rematch, it makes us root for the hero a bit more in a way because we know they've lost before, and it makes the victory even better. Anyway, I bring this forth as evidence Hulk can not beat TOAA.

#13 Posted by thechessclub (489 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

@SC said:

" I laugh, but not out too loudly lol and I am a Hulk fan, and many of my friends are bigger Hulk fans (and this includes some minor 'friends' I met online) than me. My laughter is not directed at them. Plus such things happen to all characters including characters I like more than Hulk. (I think Batman gut kicked Wonder Woman this week too? I laughed there because it was silly) Plus plus plus, I can't help but think Pak did this so in a few months when Hulk destroys Odin, Hercules, Zeus or Thor in a fight he can use the I don't always let the Hulk win excuse, look, he got beat up by Zeus a few months ago... etc I laugh though because Hulk got to one shot Ares under Pak, beat Hercules so bad his eye was swollen and bruised closed, beat Blackbolt, Dr Strange, crushed Thong, this just a small sample, of the things he got to do during World War Hulk. Pak is a hardcore Hulk fan, and it shows, he treats Hulk really well with many pretty cool storylines, and yet still, so many Hulk fans are now turning on him and some are even calling for him to quit or get fired. Wow. Plus with examples I gave, apparently its okay for Hulk to trash characters and beat them down in a severe fashion, but its not okay for Hulk to receive? Favoritism in its fourth worst form. The worst type of Hulk fanboys are like the worst type of any fanboy, they cheery pick examples to give them a sense of entitlement and they get really righteous and bitter when people deny them of their most indulgent projected fantasies. "

Too true!

#14 Posted by Nova`Prime` (3967 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

Wow that looked really awesome. Also just from what I've read it appears to me that Hulk wanted to be beaten, not that Zeus' couldn't do it himself, but Bruce was looking for mercy for the other 'Hulks' so he offered himself up for it.

@Jacory44Williams said:

" @danhimself:how can vultures do what bullets can't "

They're magic vultures.

#15 Edited by Outside_85 (4827 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

It looks silly that it went down like that considering Hulk's other feats, however i think Hulk actually wanted to be beaten. It's why he tries to get the others to leave when he finds them trying to join up with him.

Anyways, why couldnt Hulk break the chains when the others apparently could?

#16 Posted by IIDEADxPOOLII (1083 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

@Outside_85:
He was weak from receiving the beating from Zeus and his wounds healed just fast enough to feed the vultures and i'm guessing since there was more than one of them they were strong enough to break the chains.

#17 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38671 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

Lol. I like Hulk but he really did deserve the trashing Zeus gave him. Jumping around Olympus like he was the strongest being in the universe. He spent the whole of World War Hulk beating some of Marvel's strongest, so it's good to see someone kick his butt.

#18 Posted by DEGRAAF (7272 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

Hulk definitely wanted to be beaten down but i also believe that Zeus still would have wiped the floor with him close to what he did. The doesnt suprise me at all wit hthe out come. I was hoping Hulk would get in more shots but i was just happy that he didnt get knocked out in the first punch. I liked that he kept getting back up for more.

The two things i didnt like was
1.) why does Zeus punching Hulk have anything to do with the rate the Hulk gains his strength?

2.) How has Skaar become such a wus? Seriously he is the son of the Hulk and Ceira. His mother could almost knock his father out. Using the old strong ability backed by the power of the Hulk, he should be able to take out anyone else on his team (including the Hulk i think) let alone tear off a tenticle or two. I know he is still young but He went from being a bad ass that shouldnt be messed with to a whiny greenish Hulk wanna be.

Someone needs to take him and show him with the strength he really has.

#19 Posted by MrFantastic (248 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

If anyone is gonna slap down the Hulk it should be Zeus.

#20 Posted by PowerHerc (52457 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

@MrFantastic said:

"If anyone is gonna slap down the Hulk it should be Zeus. "

Aye, verily!

#21 Posted by joshmightbe (19937 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

Being a skyfather means you get to kick whoever's ass you feel like so long as its not one of the abstracts those dudes are not to be messed with

#22 Posted by ParagonWonder (10 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

I'm not a hardcore Hulk fan but when you think about it Zeus probably should have lost or at least been somewhat damaged by the end of the fight with the Hulk. I mean seeing as where the Hulk fought Sentry (who ripped Ares in half and I'm pretty darn sure could challege Zeus) to a standstill and beat Thor in a fight (who apparently sent Galactus fleeing for his life) and the fact that as mentioned on this site Galactus is FAR more powerful than Zeus (see Ranks) then Zeus technically shouldn't have looked like such a 'haus' in their fight. Just sayin. I think it was just the writers trying to drawback the Hulk's already incredibly brandished power, because you can't have ONE character that can beat all the others because then you can no longer write interesting stories about them because they'd have no one to fight. And to add to it as other people said the Hulk was not even trying and wasn't visibly mad at all.

#23 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7184 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

@MrFantastic said:

"If anyone is gonna slap down the Hulk it should be Zeus. "

indeed incase anyone forgot Zeus has beaten up Hercules and Thor in Hand to hand too. Hulk lasting as long as he did was very impressive most of marvels Heavy hitters would go down in an instant against Zeus.

#24 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7184 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

@ParagonWonder said:

" I'm not a hardcore Hulk fan but when you think about it Zeus probably should have lost or at least been somewhat damaged by the end of the fight with the Hulk. I mean seeing as where the Hulk fought Sentry (who ripped Ares in half and I'm pretty darn sure could challege Zeus) to a standstill and beat Thor in a fight (who apparently sent Galactus fleeing for his life) and the fact that as mentioned on this site Galactus is FAR more powerful than Zeus (see Ranks) then Zeus technically shouldn't have looked like such a 'haus' in their fight. Just sayin. I think it was just the writers trying to drawback the Hulk's already incredibly brandished power, because you can't have ONE character that can beat all the others because then you can no longer write interesting stories about them because they'd have no one to fight. And to add to it as other people said the Hulk was not even trying and wasn't visibly mad at all. "

Zeus Makes Thor look weak. and Thor only Beat Galactus with the Godblast which is much more impressive than a million exploding suns, which the sentry doesn't actually have the power of. Plus Sentry was much stronger During seige than WWHulk.

Zeus VS Thor, Hulk, Hercules and Sentry might be a fight.

#25 Posted by SC (9990 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

@ParagonWonder said:

" I'm not a hardcore Hulk fan but when you think about it Zeus probably should have lost or at least been somewhat damaged by the end of the fight with the Hulk. I mean seeing as where the Hulk fought Sentry (who ripped Ares in half and I'm pretty darn sure could challege Zeus) to a standstill and beat Thor in a fight (who apparently sent Galactus fleeing for his life) and the fact that as mentioned on this site Galactus is FAR more powerful than Zeus (see Ranks) then Zeus technically shouldn't have looked like such a 'haus' in their fight. Just sayin. I think it was just the writers trying to drawback the Hulk's already incredibly brandished power, because you can't have ONE character that can beat all the others because then you can no longer write interesting stories about them because they'd have no one to fight. And to add to it as other people said the Hulk was not even trying and wasn't visibly mad at all. "

I am a hardcore Hulk fan relative to most, I almost own every book he has ever been in, probably. I am so not attempting to count. lol My personal thoughts on some things you raise though.

Writers have confirmed Sentry who fight Hulk was a weaker flavor than was in Siege. She Hulk, Hercules, and Namor also fought Sentry and didn't lose. Mentioning Hulk fought him and sort of beat him its impressive but meh, not really at the same time, Ares can't challenge Zeus seriously. Ares with his powers increased can't even challenge a depowered Thor who whupped him, thats if we are doing the comparison game, When has Sentry beat Thor? Even the writer of Siege has confirmed Thor held back against Sentry until Sentry proved that non lethal means wouldn't cut it and so Thor killed him. If anything those two are probably generically close in power. Thor, Gravity, Rachel Grey, Ego, Reed Richards, a space Armada, Sentry has even been suggested to stalemate and send Galactus away.

Technically you look at the specifics and context in all your examples and in theories on what should happen get thrown out a window, and as is the case with 100% of all comics it comes down to the writers discretion. Other things worth mentioning, a guy who outranks most writers in decision making, Tom Brevoort has pointed out Sentry is in a far lower level of power than Odin, Zeus and Odin are in similar power levels. That sort of maths clarifies things quite nicely.

#26 Posted by Nefarious (16419 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

I feel happy. Hulk has a big mouth.

#27 Posted by DH69 (4204 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

i found it hilarious, it was nice to see zeus own someone for once.

#28 Posted by tensor (3324 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

he got what he deserve he could not have beat him in any case unless the writers decide to mess that up

#29 Posted by joshmightbe (19937 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

Why are people upset that a skyfather beat him its not like he got taken down by some B rate loser, He got knocked out by a skyfather. The fact that he survived at all is an impressive feat

#30 Posted by Valtot (4502 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

@joshmightbe:

surviving him... he didnt really survive zeus just chose not to fry him and went for a fist fight which he easily won than after he put down hulk and hulk was vomiting his blood he was tied up with vulchers eating his skin and thanks to his healing factor theyd be capable of eating for ages but hulk was saved from that sorta fate

#31 Posted by SC (9990 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

" Why are people upset that a skyfather beat him its not like he got taken down by some B rate loser, He got knocked out by a skyfather. The fact that he survived at all is an impressive feat "

Well, because one time Hulk beat character A, and Hulk was semi angry at the time, not really angry, character A has been described as being as powerful as character B, and one time, after injecting the flower of power into his bloodstream, character B had enough power to kill character C with five punches!! Two in the hear, one in the air, and one where well, you don't want to know. This is significant because character C, once stalemated the Cookie Devourer, a character on this site, the page of which I edited personally, so I know for a fact, is 10 times more powerful than character C and also Zeus, who is character K, so logic tells us, if Hulk got more than semi angry, he should actually PWN Zeus, but its probably some Marvel continuity mistake. Stupid Marvel though, Hulk is always getting treated unfairly. I mean its been years since he was allowed to run rampant and smack down Ms Marvel, Thing, Black Bolt, Ares, Hercules, the majority of the X-Men, Dr Strange, and a bunch of others. So Unfair by the writers! Plus one time Hulk survived 10 Universes exploding probably, a Skyfather Marvel writes as more powerful... WTF is up with that, amirite?

#32 Posted by joshmightbe (19937 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

@SC: thanks for clearing that up

#33 Posted by _Wildcard_ (365 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

@darth_brendroid said:

Anyway, I bring this forth as evidence Hulk can not beat TOAA. "

did we really need evidence of that? It's kinda in the name: the one above ALL

#34 Posted by SC (9990 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

@_Wildcard_ said:

" @darth_brendroid said:
Anyway, I bring this forth as evidence Hulk can not beat TOAA. "
did we really need evidence of that? It's kinda in the name: the one above ALL "

Yeah but... Hulk smash. Smashing doesn't discriminate, "ALL" is just "all" in caps, and both are just some silly word. Hulk smashes silly words.

LOL, does anyone want to see a issue where Hulk Smang's some stuff. I call dibs on making the first Hulk Smang: Smash and Bang it webcomic!!!

#35 Posted by _Wildcard_ (365 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

@SC: Your sarcasm has been noted, and appreciated with a mild form of amusement.

#36 Posted by .Andferne. (582 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

Good. Hulk shouldn't stand any kind of chance against Zeus. None what so ever. Not even in a straight up fist fight.

#37 Posted by TheCrusader (101 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

Great! It's about time they showed the full power of the gods. And I am happy to see the Hulk get his.

#38 Posted by gravitypress (2061 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

I don't think he is at WWH power-levels anymore because he didn't glow green (guessing). Zues owned the avengers hard so this isn't a surprise.

#39 Posted by Walker696 (985 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

I'm as big a fanboy of the Hulk as anybody else but come on he has to lose sometime, especially when it comes to fighting somebody on Zeus's level. I think that the writers are actually setting it up for the Gods come come back much stronger now and it just so happen that Hulk is the victim they choose to use as a sacrifice. I don't mind the beat down, like some other viners said everyone gets one every now and then is Supes has gotten humbled a few times. Honestly folks have to learn to compromise because they either hate a character because they beat everybody (Rulk & Sentry) or they hate that they actually lose a freaking fight every once and a while (Thor & Superman). Fact is that there are greater beings out there beyond our heroes, it sucks but its true. O well hopefully something good will come of this.

#40 Posted by HolySerpent (11734 posts) - 2 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

@PowerHerc said:

"It's fine with me. The Hulk is the strongest one there is in the Marvel Universe, but being the strongest doesn't guarantee he'll win every fight. Zeus is a sky-father and as such he has so much more power than just strength, not to mention he can probably augment his already immense strength. He also has speed, durability, stamina and thousands of years of fighting experience. Zeus beating the Hulk in a one-sided fight is entirely plausible. If the Hulk would have beat Zeus, or even given him a close fight, that would have been implausible. "

.

#41 Posted by Rainja (130 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

So i have a question, this hulk that just got his ass handed to him,isnt he the same "World Breaker Hulk"?

#42 Posted by seekquaze (401 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Rainja:
No, the WorldBreaker was an uber-enraged Hulk seen briefly at the end of WWH. That Hulk cannot control his own rage or strength. I question whether or not this Hulk was even at WWH levels of rage.

That is one of the problems I think Hulk fans are having. Ever since WWH they have seen the Hulk casually walk over every opponent he has faced and are expecting him to be operating at the super-enraged WWH levels. Pak has not really let him have a bad showing in a battle. His loses were under other writers. Powerful opponents can throw him around, but the Hulk just heals. The Hulk has not really lost since Planet Hulk. He has been this walking invincible engine of destruction. Nothing really challenged him or posed a threat to him thanks to his healing factor.

Zeus was a radical departure from that. The Hulk lost for the first time in years under the current writer. His healing factor failed him. He suffered one of the most severe beatings in his history. He won't be getting any payback. I think all of this combined is a great shock for many hulk fans who focus mainly on the battle aspect. The fact it was a loss to Zeus for them is irrelevant.

#43 Posted by Manchine (2548 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Hulk shouldn't be able to beat Zeus. Zeus is pretty much a step down from Galactus. Zeus, Odin, Inbetweener, Thanos, etc are considered very powerful cosmic beings and they should be treated as such.

#44 Posted by Rainja (130 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@ Manchine, in a sense i totally agree with you but in my opinion i want to know that when it comes to physical confrontation, the hulk can at least stalemate these individuals, i mean he;s the Hulk after all he is supposed to that shit, but i accept that someone actually put down the Hulk. I havent seen Marvel fans pissed since Venom Stalemated Colossous,hahahahaha but it happened accept it. :P

#45 Posted by Rainja (130 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

ComicVine, Yall better Bump ZEUS up #27, because he earned it :) lol

#46 Posted by goldenshot80 (7344 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

I feel that the king of the gods is NOW STRONGER THEN BEFORE

#47 Posted by MTHarman (725 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

I seriously wish comic fans would stop being so damn demanding because they didn't get what they specifically wanted.

#48 Posted by Susanoo (5909 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Go Zeus. I like Hulk but he had it coming to him.

#49 Edited by Vermis (7 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

With all the pro-Pak/WWH stuff I've seen about the internets the last couple of years, this topic's a bit of a surprise. And a breath of fresh air, even. I was going to vent my spleen a lot more, but SC already said it all, and more. The Hulk's been a jerk. People read Planet Hulk and saw ass-kicking and name-taking; I saw a vindictive Conan/school bully fantasy that came close to resembling the Maestro. It even seemed to rub off on Hulkless Banner during World War Hulks.

When Jeff Parker wrote off Banner's 'super-intelligence' with "I'm a physicist, not a brain surgeon", I grinned. When I saw Zeus batter the Hulk silly, I loled. It's thanks to Jeff Parker's run on Hulk and that issue of Pak's Incredible Hulks, that I finally started liking the big green lug again.

Now I just need someone to tell me they're going to let Skaar have the Savage Land and seal him up in it.

#50 Posted by White Angel Of Death (691 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

i loved this battle! Zeus finally got recognition he deserves! Hopfully they will show alot more of him. Maybe his own mini series

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