Fall of the Hulks: 8 Smartest Men in Marvel 616

#1 Posted by Jake Fury (18394 posts) - - Show Bio

One of the main plots in this story were the Intellegencia's plan to kidnap the 8 smartest men on the Marvel 616 Earth. They are as follows: 
 
(No particular order) 
Reed Richards 
Dr. Doom 
Black Panther 
Hank Pym 
Hank McCoy 
Bruce Banner 
Amadeus Cho 
Tony Stark 
 
Does everyone agree with this?  
Is there anyone else you think should make this list?  
Who would they replace in the list above?
#2 Edited by LT1085 (3658 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jake Fury:
I think that list is fairly undeniable. Valeria Richards is supposedly on par or exceeds her fathers intelligence already though, so she should definitely be on there.
#3 Posted by Jake Fury (18394 posts) - - Show Bio

@LT1085:
I thought so too. I'm interested to see if the CV universe can come up with anyone else.

#4 Posted by thatlad (594 posts) - - Show Bio

Cho wasn't on the list, the intelligencia demoted him. I don't think there were any specific paramaters I think it was just who the intelligencia thought were the most intelligent

#5 Posted by DEGRAAF (7876 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jake Fury:  they never kidnapped Adameus Cho. they didnt know about him. 
They didnt kidnap tony Stark either bc he was basically brain dead (i thought) 
 
That leaves two open spots so who would those be? 
 
@thatlad:  i would agree it was basically there own list but you would think the smartest men in the Marvel U could come up with the 8 smartest people list. it seems like a pretty unanimous list thru out Marvel earth.
#6 Posted by Mr.Hulk_Smashin'! (2569 posts) - - Show Bio
@LT1085 said:
" @Jake Fury: I think that list is fairly undeniable. Valeria Richards is supposedly on par or exceeds her fathers intelligence already though, so she should definitely be on there. "
but this is smartest MEN
#7 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Panther being on that list was a joke.
I have no doubt he is clever, he just aint that clever.

#8 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

Peter Parker should be somewhere. Not on the top 8, but somewhere below that, I think. At least from what I've read.

#9 Posted by ironshadow (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

Shouldn't the Leader be on this list?

#10 Posted by darkxman123 (198 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr strange black bolt umm magnetio can be smart 2

#11 Posted by jloneblackheart (5507 posts) - - Show Bio

The Leader said he was one of the 8 in Incredible Hulk #610. Of course, this could be ego.

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#12 Posted by Ransack (125 posts) - - Show Bio

High Evolutionary??? 
Prodigy(combinded intellect of McCoy, Xavier, Pryde as well as many others)??? 
#13 Posted by frijolie (89 posts) - - Show Bio

I would have added Hank Mccoy to that list as well. He's pretty intelligent, at least I think so...
#14 Posted by Green Skin (2932 posts) - - Show Bio
@frijolie said:
" I would have added Hank Mccoy to that list as well. He's pretty intelligent, at least I think so... "
Dude he's already on there.
#15 Posted by frijolie (89 posts) - - Show Bio
@Green Skin said:
" @frijolie said:
" I would have added Hank Mccoy to that list as well. He's pretty intelligent, at least I think so... "
Dude he's already on there. "

I was kidding. Not very funny I guess
#16 Posted by EdwardWindsor (14428 posts) - - Show Bio

yep totally garee with thath list since its 8 smartest men,  its what i would of put down

#17 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" Black Panther being on that list was a joke. I have no doubt he is clever, he just aint that clever. "
It's not a joke, at all. He's at the bottom of the list. He claimed that he was the eighth. 
#18 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" Black Panther being on that list was a joke. I have no doubt he is clever, he just aint that clever. "
It's not a joke, at all. He's at the bottom of the list. He claimed that he was the eighth.  "
Yeah, but smarter than Arnim Zola, the Leader and the High Evolutionary? Big call.
#19 Edited by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:

"Yeah, but smarter than Arnim Zola, the Leader and the High Evolutionary? Big call. "

Zola, technically, isn't a man anymore. Unless Leader got his powers back, since Red Hulk recently drained him, there's no reason to think he should be on the list. High Evolutionary, well, he enhanced his own brain with technology, IIRC. It's not like he's naturally that intelligent (while everyone on the list is). But, yeah. It's one hell of a call.

#20 Posted by entropy_aegis (15216 posts) - - Show Bio

If it's just Earth then i find no reason why T'Challa should'nt be there and he always struck to me as more intelligent than Zola and possibly Leader as well.
#21 Edited by SC (12963 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't agree with the list, if anything those are the highest profile smart people in the MU. This list is basically a trope. No written intelligent villain character would come up with a list of the most intelligent characters (people) on Earth list, it would be redundant and a waste of resources. Intelligence isn't synonymous with effectiveness. (in many cases in real life it can be a hindrance) They basically complied a list of smart heroes, rather than the 8 smartest. A list of characters that might stop them, renown for their intelligence. Its like making a list of the tallest people in real life, and only including Basketball players and WWE wrestlers (its a flawed analogy I realize) 
If you think people can hellava detailed and complex about which are the 8 strongest characters on Earth are, taken into consideration how broad an assertion that is, how the context varies, how absence of proof isn't proof of absence, and then how one can be strong in some areas, and then inherent strength vs built up strength, then actual strength vs applied strength.... well with intelligence its that time 1000. 

Anyway, its comics (especially this comic series, and this comic writers style) though and so I run with it. As far as its accuracy though? Yeah just... plus even the purpose? The measurement as well? Who created the measurement? Way too many holes. Smart characters don't sound so smart when they sound TV smart. 

That being said, its nice to see both Hanks on the list! lol

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#22 Posted by mewmdude77 (993 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jake Fury said:
" One of the main plots in this story were the Intellegencia's plan to kidnap the 8 smartest men on the Marvel 616 Earth. They are as follows:  (No particular order) Reed Richards Dr. Doom Black Panther Hank Pym Hank McCoy Bruce Banner Amadeus Cho Tony Stark  Does everyone agree with this?  Is there anyone else you think should make this list?  Who would they replace in the list above? "
1) Reed Richards
2) Doctor Doom
3)Tony Stark
4) Hank Pym
5) Bruce Banner
6) Hank Mccoy
7) Admeus Cho
8) Black Panther
9) Peter Parker  (barely)
This is my list and my opinion, I don't expect you all to agree. I just think with more time and money, Peter could be so much smarter and maybe even make the top three.
#23 Edited by doordoor123 (3721 posts) - - Show Bio

T'Challa and not Charles Xavier? And wheres Beast?

#24 Posted by mewmdude77 (993 posts) - - Show Bio
@doordoor123 said:
" T'Challa and not Charles Xavier? And wheres Beast? "
Beast is Hank McCoy
#25 Posted by Tatsu666 (159 posts) - - Show Bio

ok what about captain britain aka brian braddock

#26 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12958 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

Black Panther being on that list was a joke. I have no doubt he is clever, he just aint that clever.

hate to say it but im guessing they needed a black guy on the list.....

#27 Posted by primepower53 (5686 posts) - - Show Bio

1) Reed Richards

2) Doctor Doom

3)Tony Stark

5) Bruce Banner

4) Hank Pym

7) Admeus Cho

6) Hank Mccoy

8) Black Panther

#28 Posted by ReVamp (22865 posts) - - Show Bio
  1. Reed Richards
  2. Doom
  3. Tony Stark
  4. Hank Pym
  5. Bruce Banner
  6. Hank McCoy
  7. Amadeus Cho
  8. Black Panther

Honorable Mentions

  • Peter Parker
#29 Posted by tospik (1 posts) - - Show Bio

well, according to the people intelligencia decided to kidnap, the list goes as this - with no particular order;

victor von doom (doctor doom)

henry pym (who the hell knows what he's calling himself these days?)

reed richards (mr. fantastic)

henry mccoy (beast)

t'challa (black panther)

bruce banner (hulk - green, gray, whatever...)

tony stark (iron man)

samuel sterns (leader)

banner says that amadeus cho is the 10th. and he also somehow calculates dr. doom's smarty-score instantly when he was hit by leader's dumb-ray - 4.956.342.261, but of course he may be bluffing.

i agree that t'challa doesn't seem to fit in there - he is an awesome guy of course, but not exactly on par with the others. also this list needs more supervillains, or at least some anti-heroes and maybe neutrals. doc ock maybe... then mr. sinister, apocalypse and mandarin can fight to the death for beast's place... that would be awesome, oh wait... two of them are already dead, so let's welcome mandarin to the big leagues.

#30 Posted by Unknown Soldier (80 posts) - - Show Bio

doctor octopus proved he was smarter than intelligencia in a recent spider-man issue

#31 Posted by Enosisik (1153 posts) - - Show Bio

Ugh Peter Parker is not that smart . Whenever he needs something he goes to Reed or some other scientist . He's a photographer not a NASA scientist . And yes there are probably some D-list no name or unknowns who should make the list but with that you're just being far too critical. This was pretty much the list that Marvel has given for the past 20+ years (with the addition of Cho)

#32 Posted by Hyperlight (5708 posts) - - Show Bio

The problem with this list is it is very biased based on the fact that everybody here are popular characters. If you would have called this list the 8 smartest male superheroes i would agree. but there are other people who are more intelligent. The Leader should be smarter than all of them since his intellgence and brain activity is classified as superhuman. but his instability and ego gets in the way. What about the High Evolutionary.. based on the fact that he is an evolved human he is smarter than the people on that list... he is just buit better mentally. Its been disputed for a long time if Reed richards intelligence was enhanced by the cosmic storm, if it was than he should be taken off this list because of the fact that his mind wouldnt be human anymore.

#33 Posted by Kellar21 (444 posts) - - Show Bio

Well good luck trying to capture these people,especially the guy with a reality warper son and the one who is part of the Big Three,not to mention the one who turns into a green rage monster if angry.

It seems correct to me,thought Stark should be higher than T'Challa IMO.But again it would take some work to get all these people against their wills;

#34 Posted by Silver7552 (2 posts) - - Show Bio

okay people you must remember this list has always been about non-enhanced minds, this is why people like the high evolutionary and the leader cannot be put here and anyone who is against amadeus cho, he's awesome he has a hypercomputer mind and even gets hercules powers and the powers of zeus for a while

#35 Edited by Glabal500 (636 posts) - - Show Bio

didnt T'Challa say he was number 8

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