I've created this thread for one purpose. And what is that purpose? It's simple. Discussing and exploring the pros and cons of Mark Waid's Indestructible Hulk series thus far. Being a longtime Hulk fan, I can tell you that while there is things I enjoy about the title, there's also quite I bit that I find... infuriating.
Don't get me wrong, I've been enjoying the series. Mark Waid can write compelling, entertaining stories. There is no doubt about that. However, I feel it is the right of every fan, myself included, to speak their mind.
Now, let's get this started.
Say what you want, but Mark Waid writes a very interesting and cool Dr. Banner. From creating cool scientific tech to cracking a joke frome time-to-time, Bruce Banner has been really fun to read. In some ways, it feels like this is the next logical step/progression for the character, especially if one were to ignore the events of Fear Itself & Jason Aaron's horrible run and think of this as a direct continuation of Banner's character progression after Greg Pak departed the series.
New Adventures, New Locations
One of the best things that Mark Waid is doing for this series is taking Bruce Banner/The Hulk to different places in the Marvel Universe. It's great to see them explore places they've never been. Undersea Kingdom of Lemuria; Jotunheim; The Negative Zone. So far it sounds like we'll be seeing our Green Goliath travel to some cool locations. I honestly can't wait to see where the journeys will take us readers. I know there's a lot of cool places I would love to see Hulk/Banner explore! Let's hope that Mark Waid will give us what we want!
Plenty of action, humor and adventure. That's what we need and have got some pretty decent stuff. I can only hope it escalates and Mr. Waid keeps on giving us bigger and better stories down the road. Who knows, maybe we'll get something truly epic later. I wouldn't mind if Mark Waid would collaborate with the likes of Jeff Parker, Greg Pak, Peter David or Jonathan Hickman for an epic Hulk storyline.
From Maria Hill to Banner's assistants, the series has the potential to match the strong and diverse cast we've seen in past popular runs like the Warbound and the Pantheon if given enough time. If Mark Waid plays his cards right, he'll give us some interesting supporting character in his run. He has a lot cut out for him, but I think he can do it.
Mad Thinker; Quintronic Man; Attuma and Giant Lemurian Sea Monsters; Frost Giants. Not bad for a start. Here's hoping for some more powerful & different foes to challenge Banner/Hulk in the near future. For those who have seen my blog, you know who I'd like to see Hulk battle across the Marvel Universe.
Decent Hulk Feats
Overcoming the Thinker's Quantom Molder blasts that can melt adamantium; destroying the AIM Quintronic Man robot that can withstand the most extreme temperatures and force/pressures of space; battling Attuma's army, forcing through the Kophin Beast's mystical impentrable hide and defeating Attuma in direct combat miles under the ocean. Nothing really awe-inspiring or truly epic yet in Hulk terms, but that can change if Waid decides to let Hulk really cut loose which I think is needed every so often to appeal to hardcore Hulk fans and new fans alike.
The Hulk's Personality
It's been six issues since Mark Waid's Indestructible Hulk began. And thus far, Hulk has yet to speak a full sentence. In other words, we've been given a one-dimensional, roaring, smashing, growling, raging nuclear aresenal of a Hulk incarnation. Devoid of any personality, this Hulk incarnation can barely tell friend from foe.
No Green Scar. No Gravage. No Professor/Merged. No Joe Fixit. No Savage. We got a monster that roars and smashes. That's it. No personality, nothing.
All of the work done to evolve Hulk as character, all of the work done by writers such as Peter David & Greg Pak & Bill Mantlo, seemingly flushed down the toilet for Marvel and Mr. Waid's sake.
And Mark Waid's latest interview doesn't inspire confidence that this will change. IMO, it sounds like Hulk will be a big circus ape that is told to or not to smash. Yeah, it doesn't look good. I could be wrong, it's still early... but I'm not gonna hold my breath.
And no internal monolgue from Banner/Hulk? Not even a single issue of Hulk and Banner having a discussion within their mind? That seems like a waste at a chance for some intense drama. Don't you agree?
The Past Continuity of Bruce Banner/The Hulk
One of the major problems I have been having with this series, something that is connected to every con I listed here on this thread. It appears that all of Hulk's rich history, from Mantlo to David to Pak, has been erased/tossed aside/removed. All the major events-- Future Imperfect, Planet Hulk, World War Hulk, Fall of the Hulks/World War Hulks, Heart of the Monster, etc.-- all the characters from the past three decades-- Caiera, Skaar, Rick Jones/A-Bomb, Jennifer Walters/She-Hulk, Betty Banner/Red She-Hulk, etc.-- have been forgotten and seemingly swept away. I believe in progression as much as anyone in regards to a series, but one must never forget the past and what came before.
I can only hope that Mark Waid proves me wrong and does some research into Hulk/Banner's deep, rich comic history. There's a lot to take advantage of in the series. If Mark Waid wishes to remain for the long run, he'll have to do some research into the past, for if one does not know the past how can they expect to move forward?
Hulk/Banner working with and/or for SHIELD
I don't know about you, but in my gut it just doesn't sit right with me. The Hulk and Banner I knew from Greg Pak and Peter David's runs would never, ever work with or for SHIELD. Banner/Hulk don't follow or take orders from anyone. They'll work alongside others, whether it's other heroes or SHIELD for their mutual benefit, but... I don't know. This doesn't feel right.
Why does Banner need SHIELD for funding? What about Amadeus Cho's Olympus Group who have easily funded Banner's research and projects during Pak's run? It seems like Mark Waid and Marvel are ignoring everything that happened to Banner/Hulk!!!
The fights thus far have been really short and didn't make an impact in that way one would expect a confrontation with the Hulk should. They've all been pretty quick. Some I can kind of understand, but Hulk smashing and quickly turning back to Banner doesn't sit right with me. Am I the only who feels like this?
Hulk truly earning the title 'Indestructible'
I feel that Mark Waid has yet to truly prove Hulk is indestructible. I mean, Hulk being scorched by lava (which hasn't Hulk since he was extremely weakened at the beginning of Planet Hulk), unable to breathe and withstand great undersea pressure miles beneath the surface (which he's easily shurgged off before in Peter David's Tempest Fugit storyline among many others). Personally, if it were me, I'd be placing Hulk against the most powerful foes and most extreme enviroments in the Marvel Universe every so often. In other words, I'd be freaking proving that Hulk definitely deserves the title of indestructible. Now it's still early, so Mr. Waid can change all that, but from the way Marvel and Mr. Waid are constraining the Hulk and his powerset/abilties, much like they're doing to his personality... I'm just not certain anymore.
Recognition of Hulk/Banner's Past Continuity
Yeah, that's right. I want some recognition of what transpired in the past between Hulk and Banner. That includes events that took place in Greg Pak, Peter David, and Bill Mantlo's tenures on the Jade Giant.
That means I want to see old characters, heroic and villainous. I want to see some mentioning of past events (Planet Hulk, World War Hulk, etc.) that had a great effect on Banner/Hulk. And just as important, I want Hulk to have a personality.
1. Past Continuity of Hulk/Banner
2. Hulk's personality
3. Hulk's powerset/abilties
These and a few other things are what I and many others desire.