After being bombarded with a massive dose of gamma radiation while saving a young man's life during an experimental bomb testing, Dr. Robert Bruce Banner was transformed into the Incredible Hulk: a green behemoth who is the living personification of rage and pure physical strength.
Okay I am just creating this thread as I can detect that there is a major downplay of Hulks strength on comicvine.
For instance, anyone supporting Hulk to beat superman is dismissed for all the wrong reasons, Superman's speed is what IMO gives him the victory. They claim Hulk somehow starts off calm and weak, and takes alot of time to build up strength as he gets more angry. However THIS IS NOT HULK.
Hulk is by definition infinite strength personified, and of course what this means is that Hulk can increase his strength to do near impossible feats and
Hulk has physically demonstrated a strength to resist the force that could move a planet. Which meant that Hulk could indeed move a planet, which already puts him in the Superman weight class:
The fact that the field strength needed to be increased is proof that Hulk was contesting that kind of
Also another near impossible feat that puts him among the best is when his and ironclad's punches collided causing catastrophe to an INFINITE number of dimensions (universes).
This is why the Beyonder said that Hulk was an INFINITY of power:
Hulk has also performed many other outrageous feats such as Punching through a time storm and smashing an asteroid bigger than Earth.
My opinion is that whatever enemy Hulk finds himself facing, tends to determine how strong Hulk is. In my opinion, No version of Hulk is stronger than regular Hulk as Hulk was always capable of infinite strength without causing the earth to shake.
What are you thoughts?
PS - I am not to keen on Hulk but I give respect where respect is due. Also I wanted to show more feats but none of the other pictures would show up.
you gotta realize that if marvel used hulks actual power hed be able to KO galactus with his ass cheeks
DC's strength scale is higher. Hulk can't beat Superman. Deal with it, move on.
That said, Hulk is often underestimated on CV.
Really who says that he knows nothing of the Marvel Omniverse and less than DC Multiverse. I am a connoisseur of comics, Marvel and DC have collected for years and the level of each character from each publisher, Superman is overrated like Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen series ...
Normally we hear about the Marvel Multiverse, but some ignore that Marvel Omniverse is actually composed of an infinite number of multiverses and Megaversos, which can and interacted on occasion.
Marvel is in its creation and design one Omniverse, formed in turn by an infinite number of Megaversos, each megaverse in turn contains an infinite number of multiverses and every multiverse contains an infinite number of universes.
Each Marvel universe is a universe "unique" (a unique universe), represented in the cosmic manifestation of eternity, and thus there are an infinite number of eternities and other cosmic abstractions for each universe exists (Multi-Eternity, Multi- Infinity etc. they are properly speaking Multiverses or Megaversos).
Eternity Earth-616 or 616 would be a single and unique universe, all other universes exist as separate universes, so that the Marvel multiverse would consist of many universes "only" unique, they share a common history and diverge in specific point and Alternate Earths, which are similar, but have many inherent differences.
Each dimension is a universe or realm that contains space, matter and energy, which is separate from our own universe for some physical difference in space, matter and energy (the Negative Zone for example). Likewise many dimensions can exist within a single singular universe, ie Eternity can contain many (infinite) dimensions (realms, universes, timelines) that are linked to it and are part of his being. Eternity is a multiverse itself.
Eternity is the embodiment of all that exists, as such Eternity represents the universe and multiverse. Although Eternity is a single entity, manifests itself in an infinite number of eternities-independent Universe exist separately and represent each situation. This was suggested in the series of Quasar and was seen most clearly during the Abraxas saga, where eternity is manifested representing the infinite number of alternate universes Multiverse ie Eternity-or Multi-Eternity.
When Quasar entered the dimension of the event, he found the presence of the great powers of the universe, he would try to talk to Eon but be ignored by this, then you Anthropomorphic present, this entity would explain to Quasar as abstract beings and other beings of great power the use to take shape (ie to express their M-bodies), so we can interact more effectively with each other. Quasar and discover that entities saw were not what he knew. Anthropomorphic also explain that Eternity is so transfinite (which is more than infinity) that had many manifestations of it here (Multi-Eternity). Quasar So go searching through the size of the demonstration that corresponded to the Universe-616. Encofraría Quasar and other multi-manifestations of other entities as Death and Infinity, until finally-616 Eternity would find catatonic.
Marvel Multiverse known and to some extent have been linked to the main Marvel Multiverse are New Universe and the Ultraverse, two separate multiverses that exist within the Marvel Omniverse.
The best known Marvel Multiverse which is related to the continuity of Earth / Universe 616, which exists in a multiverse of infinite Earths alternatives. These alternative or alternative universes Lands are generally defined in terms of its differences with Earth-616.
Well, we will try to show some of the characteristics that define each Marvel Multiverse and how they are integrated within a larger Omniverse and covers absolutely everything.
The human mind can not encompass the true nature of the Multiverse. The universe just perceive three spatial dimensions (width, length and height that define the volume of everything we perceive). The physical space around us is three-dimensional to the naked eye. However, when considering physical phenomena such as gravity, the theory of relativity leads to that the universe is a four-dimensional entity that includes both spatial dimensions and time as another dimension. Anyway, the universe has at least three dimensions of space and one of time.
The main Marvel Multiverse is composed of an infinite number of universes that share these three spatial dimensions and the same natural laws (scientific). These universes are usually known as "Alternate Universes" and are scanned by the cosmic race known as the Watchers (Many of these universes would be seen in the series What If?, And What The? Among other publications and media - film, television, etc. - Marvel), which by their nature, similar laws and by the fact that they share the same cosmic hierarchies we know (as Eternity, Infinity, Death etc.), thus occupying the same Multiverse.
* To not confuse it must be remembered that when we say Earth-number refers to a reality or universe. They are sometimes referred to as Reality-number but not always. These are for example Infinite Earths: Earth Age of Apocalypse (Earth-295), Earth X (Earth-9997) Marvel Zombies (Earth-2149), MC2 (Earth-1298), The Ultimate Universe (Earth-1610) , House of M (Earth-58163) Squadron Supreme (Earth-712 or Earth-S). To mention a few of which can be known by readers.
Exploring further, outside this hypothetical spectrum, we find more universes that may have the same 3-dimensional space but natural laws are a little different such as Negative Zone and the universe of Arkon. Following these universes, there are other universes that are usually smaller and are called "pocket universes", which are usually inhabited by the gods and demons that exist in Marvel.
But outside of the Multiverse, find universes whose number of spatial dimensions is "irrational" and that by nature human visual representation of these universes is necessarily distorted or incomplete. Among these is the "Sixth Dimension" of Tiboro, The lonely world of Tazza, The Dimension of Dreams Nightmare and Dormammu's Dark Dimension.
The universes whose number of spatial dimensions are between the ranges of values 2.7268409 irrational ....... (ETC) and 6.29855923 ....... (ETC). And whose natural laws can vary from science to magic and share a community of concepts (Eternity, Galactus, Celestials etc ...) are grouped within a cluster is a group or be a Multiverse. The clustered or Multiverse that belongs to man is one of the responsibilities of the powerful being known as the LIVING TRIBUNAL.
* The Marvel Omniverse values would be expressed as "irrational" numbers which are characterized by infinite periodic figures, resulting in a true INFINITE number of possible universes.
* The main Marvel Multiverse would be located between these values, as well as the New Universe and Multiverse's Ultraverse, which have characteristics similar to Earth, but do not have the same cosmic hierarchy and therefore are grouped into separate and form Multiverse part of the largest Marvel Omniverse.
Universes between spatial dimensions ranges less than 2.7268409 ....... (ETC) or even greater than 6.29855923 ....... (ETC), are entirely different universe from ours and therefore are grouped in other clustered or Multiverse in which the LIVING TRIBUNAL assumes other ways to manage them.
The Marvel multiverse is constantly increasing, due to the fact that every possible alteration or variation of a specific fact in the universe, creates a new reality where change goes its own way, so new universes are constantly being born.
Now if we talk about physically separate universes, some continuity is linked to one Main Reality. That is a singular universe "main" carries an infinite number of dimensions / universes that are linked to the same story or continuity. For example: the dimensions or universes of beings as Nightmare, Mephisto or Dormammu are directly linked to the continuity principalde Earth-616. So when we say "continuity" we refer to a single "reality", and this reality is linked to other realms or universes which by their nature are closely related, forming a group of universes own and belong to a single reality.
* Short and intended to clarify anything that might be confusing, I took the liberty of making some images to better illustrate the concepts herein expressed, based solely on information provided in the comic. The following logical representations do not take into account scales of size, order, distances, appearances, quantity or shapes, also ignores some realms between dimensions and outside the Multiverse (as limbo or Beyonders universe, etc.), so do not is a complete representation of the Marvel Omniverse, but if the description known and that is the basis of established Marvel Omniverse fantastic.
These are some of the defining characteristics of the infinite Omniverse Marvel, which has for decades defined, and surely anger undergoing changes as new discoveries, theories or interpretations come to light. But this Omniverse fictional - it even includes real and conceptually ours all that exists and will exist inside or outside the universe of the comic - Marvel's own, unique and unlike any other and it is also the largest and interesting representation of a EVERYTHING in the comic industry.
The Omniverse is also represented by the most powerful cosmic entities that exist, the scope of power in some cases may have implications omniversales. Let us see some of what these creatures can do and notice that when Marvel says Omniverse actually refers to an Omniverse.
Marvel Omniverse - DC Universe
Both companies manage universes very different concepts, both unfold between a principal and a multiverse universe.
But is the same Multiverse DC Marvel Multiverse?
To begin let's see what is the DC Comics multiverse, as development and that is what is meant by multiverso.Los origins of DC multiverse was established in COIE (Crisis on Infinite Earths).
In the beginning the universe was only one (a unique universe) existed as a single universe, until Krona a member of the race of immortals known as the Guardians of the Universe, wanting to know the origins of the universe created a machine that would allow him to see the moment of creation somehow disturb his experiment creation process causing the universe should have been only be divided into many parts, each different, independent, but weaker than a whole (ie a single universe integrated), born in this way the DC Multiverse.
The multiverse then consist of multiple versions of a single universe that would exist in the same physical space but separated from each other by the resonance of the vibrations.
During COIE DC multiverse would be destroyed, or rather reinstated as a single universe (New Earth) next to the antimatter universe.
During IC (Infinite Crisis) DC multiverse back as a result of the machinations of Alexander Luthor, which would result in the end to split this unique new universe again, to finish in the series "52" in 52 identical universes occupying the same physical space. This would be the last and current DC Multiverse (no previous comeback but I think a new one).
It is in this Multiverse is where all activities are developed we know the DC universe.
Marvel at your creation is an Omniverse, formed in turn by an infinite number of Megaversos, each megaverse in turn contains an infinite number of multiverses and every multiverse contains an infinite number of universes.
Each Marvel universe is a universe "unique" (a unique universe), represented in the cosmic manifestation of eternity, and thus there are an infinite number of eternities and other cosmic abstractions for each universe exists (Multi-Eternity, Multi- Infinity etc. they are properly speaking Multiverses or Megaversos).
616 Earth would be a single, unique universe, all other universes exist as separate universes, so that the Marvel multiverse would consist of many universes "only" unique, they share a common history and diverge at a specific point and Alternate Earths, which are similar, but have many inherent differences.
Each dimension is a universe or realm that contains space, matter and energy, which is separate from our own universe for some physical difference in space, matter and energy (the Negative Zone for example).
Also many dimensions can exist within one singular universe, ie Eternity can contain many (infinite) dimensions (realms, universes, timelines) that are linked to it and are part of his being. Eternity is a multiverse itself.
Marvel Multiverse known and to some extent have been linked to the main Marvel Multiverse are New Universe and the Ultraverse, two separate multiverses that exist within the Marvel Omniverse.
Complicated? Actually yes, something inside so no more on the subject, but there is more, that there are beings and realms they inhabit and act outside the Marvel multiverse.
Let the important thing is to try to compare the Multiverse Multiverse Marvel and DC.
While the Multiverse Marvel were created as different sets of universes, and each universe is represented by a unique cosmic abstraction as Eternity. In DC the multiverse born by mistake one singular universe itself divided into different parts (Earth-1, Earth-2, Earth-S, etc, etc) and they occupy the same physical space separated only by the resonance of the vibrations but each part weaker than a whole.
The Marvel Multiverse is infinite collection of separate universes that do not share the same space but exist as separate universes.
COIE tells us that the DC Multiverse was weaker than an entire universe, and that all the energy stored in it was that of a singular universe.Now playing a few things along the history of DC, his universe was never really infinite.
Literally and is what is meant for the COIE is that only 5 lands remained before the destruction of the multiverse DC ... were the last remaining 5 worlds to destroy ... Were not Infinite Earths? ... anyway, that aside, the truth is that by creating the unified post-crisis world, the DC universe happened to be a new world, a new universe and a unique universe, a universe singular.
DC Multiverse back or again divided this unique universe in 52 universes, and in the words of DiDio only half is cataloged.
As seen entire Marvel's Multiverse serious scale DC summarized in just a single universe that became multi, but always occupied the same space and kept the total energy of a whole one, divided into many parts (weaker than a universe integrated - this weakness in Marvel does not exist), but at the end of the universe one, ie one Eternity and one singular universe. All interference made by the Anti-Monitor, Parallax, Imperiex, Monarch, Krona and jurisdiction of the Spectre had in its consequences and reach the rank equivalent of only one hand, or at most parties (if we talked of his only multiverse) one singular Marvel universe.
Krona and Galactus, well, here I must say something: Krona has become the favorite cosmic entity Busiek, yet not prove at Trinity Krona power levels necessary to confront Galactus, I think here Busiek what I try to do is show DC that could also be found cosmic entities weight. Now, having seen and differences in both universes and omissions or errors Busiek Is it fair to have the deeds or samples of power of both characters at the same level? ... Humm?? ... Krona never shown any kind of superiority over Galactus, maybe a draw would have been fairer by Busiek, but anyway ...
Well, this is just a theory and interpretation of mine, but here's the proof and I know that more than one will agree with me. Perhaps the most "fair" would resort to technicality to say that despite that the DC Multiverse is for the Marvel Multiverse, it might be "fair" but not real. Now Kismet during COIE had not been invented yet, it just appear for the first time in 1992, it would seem to be the equivalent of eternity in the New DC Universe (as a single universe singular) so its use by Busiek on Avengers vs. JLA. Kismet is a concept only worked in DC.
Eternity and Kismet also just another technicality comparison, because where would a cake Eternity, each universe appeared in the new DC multiverse would only a slice of that pie. Same would apply to toaa technicality and The Presence, where toaa that created a Omniverse, Presence created just a singular universe then turned a single multiverse, but in essence always had the energy and power of a single universe.
You can not deny or ignore the fact that in the Marvel Universe concept is vastly superior to that of DC and totally different and no comparison.
For this I will always be opposition to these crossover are performed on a universal scale that simply do not match, are very different from one another, and the feats displayed in each of their respective universes are also on another level.
I find this ironic because when I think about always comes to mind Busiek interpretation that puts in the mouth of Superman when this fight with Thor and says he is "a little god of a small world" and I can not stop smile when I think Thor would answer that he (Superman) was only a small superman of a multiverse very, very small.
This of but try to do more comparisons that makes no sense, you simply can not or will not try to make them better, at least not on a universal scale, between heroes and villains maybe ... and sometimes not even that.
The DC power level compared to Marvel, IS NOTHING.
@Fifthchild: SS doesn't blitz, but he is still fast enough to avoid being touched by the Hulk at all. Superman can move almost as fast as Flash, and you hardly see him using that speed to his advantage because the writers know that those fights won't last barely long enough to build a story. Characters with that level of speed are the ones that are downplayed quite a lot. Healing factor doesn't change being knocked out in anyway. The healing factor has also been carried to extremely ridiculous levels that it is now almost laughable, going beyond even magic!
Wolverine could still cut Hulk in WWH just as much as he could cut him in regular form. With the Gladiator fight durability hardly mattered. If Glads had continued through and used his superspeed with the HV, he would have vaporized every cell of his body in moments.
I don't see how the anger analogy fails to apply to comics. They still stick to a certain degree of scientific knowledge. It's not the looney tunes after all.
The point remains that his limit was still reached. An outside event had to reignite it which won't be the case in a one-on-one battle. A more durable character than the Sentry could have crushed him once he reverted to Banner.
I am an expert on comics and I always like to direct my opinions using the comic as a reference and tell you something:
The Speedster (sprinters / runners) are the most difficult to write, and that is recognized by many writers in the industry, as there are limiting factors as the correct scientific interpretation involves moving at supersonic speeds or higher within the planet.
Obviously speedster are not moving at the same speed all the time, or have the same speed in all its activities. Superman and Flash are possibly the characters that compete in this in the minds of readers.
But one thing is the interpretation of the reader, and another that established comic industry.
Superman can "compete" in Flash or flying career, but in terms of movement speed Flash Superman is not coated as some readers interpreted.
The times that they have had to fight these characters, it is clear the difference of motion of both Flash can easily combear Superman, Superman can not combear to Flash. Can rival it in some areas but obviously fighting at very different indeed superspeed in combat is the least used in the specific case of Superman.
The superspeed is handled differently in the two companies, on the one hand trying to maintain a real physical interpretation, on the other hand these are just comics, demands are not actual scientific interpretation of what they are writing.
Good as these are comics not be as demanding with some definitions and see what the industry defined as speed, and that the speedster is not untouchable by other characters.
Theoretically mach 10 is the maximum safe speed at which you can mobilize earth and mach 18 is the maximum speed you can achieve running, because this speed to overcome technically your feet no longer touch the ground, so it can not be considered run.
Now there are different types of speed.
Can I ask for the fastest Marvel character?
Well depends on what kind of speed, because if this is only who can reach the highest speed of all, I would say it is possibly the Silver Surfer, now if you mean it runs faster, then I would respond that the Runner , although technically not running forever.
But if the question neglects cosmic beings, then I would say that is the Eternals Makkari being faster than the Earth, now is not a human Makarri exactly.
So between humans currently the fastest running would have to say is that Quicksilver had a large increase in speed, not long ago had chosen the Squadron Supreme Whizzer Northstar and Alpha Flight.
Now if the question really relates to Who is the fastest reacting or moving? Speedster clearly possess all reaction rate and higher than human movements once they are moving superspeed performing tasks at all times.
But there are no speedster beings, yet can react faster than would a speedster and can be faster in a certain specific time and actually more useful and where it counts as combat. Spider-Man could be considered the fastest in this area, Spider-Man is easily the best character and react with quicker reflexes supported by your spider sense, he can react faster than almost anyone.
In a combat these characters endowed with super reflexes may be faster or accurate than the speedster at a specific time and can advance or predict the movement of the Speedster.
Evidence of this is Deathstroke in DC, you can "beat" a speedster on defining moments in a game, Wolverine and Iron Fist also tend to do the same.
Now, if we remove the superpowers, there are characters whose level of training and skills enabled them to develop an extraordinary muscle memory and conditioned reflexes are automatic.
To bring an example discussed this between Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, in which she says is faster in combat than Superman, and Superman reiterates the fact that he has superspeed, but she claims that she fought him and knows Superman has super speed but he has to think about his moves, not her. She is trained and reflexes with the memory of his muscles, Batman agrees with her and asks Superman Who is faster Usain Bolt or Bruce Lee? Superman has to lower his head.
Well this kind of reflection is speed acquired during years of practice and repetitive actions, is the type of memory you develop in martial arts or in the battlefields, the kind of speed that have athletes like characters like Batman or Wonder Woman , Thor, Captain America, Iron Fist, Wolverine added to this superhuman speeds or Enhanced Human and extraordinary martial training.
These features allow these characters to be more effective in moving a speedster, at a particular time and really more useful as in a combat situation.
Well, this is established in the comic industry otherwise would theoretically invincible sprinters.
The superspeed powers is one of the most colorful in the comics, personally my favorite in this area is Flash.
Spiderman in the area of reaction speed and reflexes, is the best ... Followed by it, although it seems impossible, is Hulk .... Hulk is very agile, has a deadly precision which is constantly increasing and varying levels ... Quicksilver has beaten Hulk, Spiderman and even dodging almost everything regardless of whether the attack is light speed or greater.
Hulk fits any enemy, therefore, no matter the speed of the enemy, the Hulk fits into your system evolves to sobrevivir.Por therefore is able and there is proof that anti-Hulk is a speedster. But if we consider that been beaten Superman character whose only power is super strength, and using the reference comics things change.
There are also powers that can play against Superman himself, as demonstrated by Batman and Wonder Woman, taking advantage of his super-senses, specifically her super hearing. Batman with a pump to Sonica Superman got hurt until it bled, Wonderwoman has done something similar by hitting it hard in the ears. Hulk can do both things with only their strength and ThunderClap.
Though Superman has clearly demonstrated superspeed almost never to fight, that has made it possible in a head to head with other strong beings received severe beatings or not you have the advantage that would give such power, so that increases Hulk possibilities to give him a good beating the man of steel. Bearing in mind that Hulk is more than just physical strength and has sufficient resources to deal with a supervelocista. In these circumstances allows the comic I would say Hulk could win at least 8 of 10 games.
In addition, if you gain invulnerability Hulk ... But those thoughts have erroneous reasons ... For example an object to infriga great damage depends on two factors:
1. First and foremost, the strength of character or individual.
2. Second, the material that the object is made.
For example, the most important of these factors is the first. Imagine, a normal human being grabs a wooden bat and gives him a blow to Hulk and what happens is that the bat is shattered and does not feel anything Hulk ... But if this bat is wielded by Juggernaut, things change, Juggernaut can hit the Hulk and send it flying at a considerable distance while the wooden bat shatters ... it causes damage to Hulk, who for obvious reasons hurt him.
Another example is the bat wielding adamantium and a human being, what happens is that the human being has the power to amplify the damage, what happens is that Hulk feels the pain but not something so painful ... But if this bat is wielded by Juggernaut, the Hulk can send further, causing him more damage because the material of the bat is adamantium and his super strength combined is enormous damage it causes pain and Hulk if large feel that punch ...
Wolverine has adamantium claws and everyone forgets that his physical abilities are on-human. So obviously, you can get their claws into Hulk's skin ...
The analysis of this is that "Any object is deadly in the hands of a character with super strength" regardless of the material, the material of the object is to hit extra damage ... nothing but the damage amplifier is the strength of the individual or character.
DC's strength scale is higher. Hulk can't beat Superman. Deal with it, move on.
Umm excuse me? Hulk's strength is infinite. And his healing factor will heal him no matter what Superman does to him. Idky you need to underpower. The Hulk is the strongest one there is. That's not heresay, that's a fact. He'll go toe to toe with anyone and beat them because that's what he's made to do. When the going gets tough and all other heroes can't stand up to the threat, you send in the Hulk and he WILL get the job done.
DC's strength scale is higher. Hulk can't beat Superman. Deal with it, move on.
Umm excuse me? Hulk's strength is infinite. And his healing factor will heal him no matter what Superman does to him. Idky you need to underpower. The Hulk is the strongest one there is. That's not heresay, that's a fact. He'll go toe to toe with anyone and beat them because that's what he's made to do. When the going gets tough and all other heroes can't stand up to the threat, you send in the Hulk and he WILL get the job done.
Well at that moment he was giving his little speech he wasn't being attacked, though his attention was directed at Umar and Strange. Anyway it was still in context, i mean didn't he get the job done in the end?
Actually Umar commented how she probably didn't even need to do anything, Strange would have won against Dormammu on his own, though that's highly debatable.
That's better, though Hulk wanted to sacrifice himself in that fight... it wasn't really Hulks real potential. Not saying that he would win against Zeus because he definitely wouldn't. But there are plenty of examples of Hulk getting beaten and stopped by others fair and square and by opponents much weaker than Dormammu or Zeus. You are just looking at the wrong places.
@raynorj: No. Umar did. Had she not done anything, they most certainly would have died. Though, sure I'll accept that. How about this?
After the defeat of the King of Chaos and recreation of the universe by Hercules Super-God, a dejected and broken Bruce Banner Hercules would ask him to use his magic to "fix" his family. Hercules explains that when he recreated the universe was guided by a higher wisdom, and that if things were recreated so, it was because it had to be. Dejected morally, Bruce Banner would not settle for this and go against the most powerful god in charge, God could possibly cure and end the suffering of his family of Hulks ... Hulk would then go against the reborn Mount Olympus, facing his step-the Olympian gods! Ignoring the power of the King of the Seas Poseidon, the Arrows of Artemis goddess of the hunt, the extreme cold of Boreas, and the scorching heat of Apollo would attack with the power of the sun! But nothing would stop the Hulk who defeating the Olympian gods and monsters and leveling, up to the present, Sky-Father Zeus. Which greet the boldness and power of Hulk with powerful and huge lightning!.
The power of the lightning is not to be compared to a normal lightning, this is the very essence of the power of the Olympic Sky-Father. Gift of the mythical Cyclops of Zeus Thunderbolt is equivalent to the Odin-Power, and is what makes Zeus the most powerful of the Olympian gods and an entity that could rival the power of Odin.
But even the power of the Sky-Father does not kill Hulk, still raise challenging, demanding to Zeus a debt for helping to restore their power during the war against Chaos King. Zeus would not accede to the request of Hulk and taking it as a challenge, Zeus face Hulk in hand to hand combat. Hulk's first blow would send the King of gods to fly, but the counterattack of Zeus would be brutal, confrontation shake the entire New Mount Olympus! Zeus eventually would rise to victory. Defeated Hulk suffer the same punishment as Prometheus, chained and bound to be delayed by vultures. Three days would suffer Hulk with strength and healing power diminished, until it would eventually rescued.
Far from being this a defeat, is an extraordinary example of the incredible Hulk strength and power. If we take as a reference to Odin, some Sky-Father held Marvel can overcome almost any being other than a major cosmic entity as Eternity. Zeus is possibly a destroyer of galaxies as Odin. Zeus has just returned from the "death" and with all his power and glory.
Hulk demolition and Zeus command to fly a powerful and unexpected blow just intended to provoke. Hulk did not even try to fight really, somehow believed that if left to kill (self-sacrifice) by Zeus, this would give him the "cure" to his family that he was severely injured in Chaos War and who bear the "curse" of be Hulks. This course of action would be rare in Hulk, but not Bruce Banner who was really desperate .... Because of the power of Zeus Hulk "fight" with his strength and healing power decreased to 7% of its capacity, and yet survived the brutal punishment of Zeus which can increase their physical abilities to levels unattainable for almost any being. Hulk has been shown to achieve much higher levels of power in other incarnations as the Worldbreaker.
Personally I think it really would be very difficult even for Hulk beat a Sky-Father Zeus Marvel as these beings are beyond any scale, but theoretically agree that Hulk could do given its dynamic strength factor. Anyway, this is an extraordinary example of the power of the Hulk he could and could possibly face a Sky-Father!. But when you consider when Hulk defeated and surpassed that Onslaught is conceivable that Hulk has a better chance to beat a Sky-Father.
Onslaught's armor was created with the hope that it could never be destroyed (not by The Celestial), a power that can alter reality itself, and he had just missed the combined power of Earth's heroes ... the Savage Hulk accomplished the impossible. Knowing the infinite power of Onslaught, Hulk Jean Grey would ask to "turn off" the personality of Bruce Banner, the side that keeps its awesome power under control. Jean removes the influence and Banner limiting letting out a Wild-Hulk without restrictions!. Only the savage Hulk unlimited force rival the unlimited power of Onslaught. Each strike unleashed by the jade giant Onslaught more power would be so powerful that brave and powerful heroes of the planet would have to fight to get closer to the titanic combatants. Unlimited powers faced in a bout of such beings would be the monumental Hulk force which would be imposed, achieving destroy the indestructible!!.
Onslaught (whose power could rival the mighty Celestial) possessed powers combined with Professor Xavier and Magneto had already defeated all the heroes of the planet. Now had added the powers of Franklin Richards and X-Man (Nathaniel Grey) two of the most powerful mutants in the universe!!. He had now reached almost omnipotence and was able to alter reality itself on a universal scale!. His power was potentially infinite, capable of rivaling a cosmic entity! But it was surpassed by Hulk who opened the way for their eventual defeat.
If we consider that Odin is the most powerful Sky-father, we saw earlier that Odin is not at the level of a heavenly and I think the Destroyer to rival the Celestials. And yet, he could not. Now, many villains and high level enemies have always said that Hulk has the energy and power to give you an advantage over the Celestials.
No known limits Hulk strength ... apparently his strength is unlimited. Even beings as powerful as The Beyonder (The Almighty) or cosmic entities as The Stranger have said that Hulk is an infinite power or strength is virtually limitless.
In El Dorado (Peru), stood The Flame of Life, a device created by the deviants, with intent to resist and rival the power of the powerful Heavenly!. In a fit of anger the Savage Hulk destroyed the tower built to withstand the power of those Cosmic Gods!.
Now instead of giving your own arguments and the use of a solitary image to give credence to your opinion, it is best that you refrain. Since we all know that this battle was just a Hulk self-sacrifice to save his family, had no desire to fight. Besides its power was diminished and stand all the Power of Zeus which is a Destroyer of Galaxies and altering Reality.
World-War Hulk can beat a Sky-Father as Odin and Zeus ... with ease. World-Breaker Hulk I consider that this incarnation is able to cope with the Celestials.
Over the years, many different incarnations of the Hulk, what makes them different? Or what unites them? Taking a look at the different incarnations of Hulk understand a little of the character's psyche, and as well we will draw answers to some apparent inconsistencies as stages that Hulk has been able to breathe in space or underwater.
Also the different levels of forces, limited by Banner's reasoning. Almost all Hulks have unlimited power capacity, but the same capacity or speed to achieve the same strength exponential increase. Each incarnation has the same potential to achieve the same level of strength, but each incarnation begins with a different base strength level.
Weird. The only time I see Hulk get "down graded" by other users on here (sense that's the word down graded is being used here). Is when he's put in battles on these battle forums with characters like Superman, Flash, MM, Thor, Silver Surfer, Thanos, etc. I don't understand why he would be "down graded". All those characters I listed have nearly shown feats capable of beating Hulk.
Now I can see where the idea of down graded can come from when people are rooting for characters like... Spider-man, when he's put against the Hulk, or even Wolverine or Colossus, etc.
People can argue all day long, but showings of feats definitely speak more volume.
Hulk can take superman. He might take flash. He will probably lose to MM. He beats thor (without odinforce obviously). Silver surfer isn't too difficult if he is p!55ed. And thanos can only beat hulk via BFR (like a p**sy)
I think Hulk is either over-rated or under-rated depending on if you are a Hulk fan or not. I certainly think that in world breaker mode, he takes a lot of stopping. However, what Hulk fans tend to forget is that characters like Superman are far more versatile. Superman has super-speed and flight, in addition to being one of the strongest beings in either the DC or Marvel universe. He has his freezing breath, heat vision, etc, etc. Once you factor all this into the equation then Hulk is really struggling. Plus the one thing that Hulk simply cant come back from, which is that Superman can theoretically fly him off into space. I think this is why most people back Superman v Hulk on CV. Having said this, if Superman came into a battle with Hulk already at WB level, he really would have his hands full.
I think Hulk is either over-rated or under-rated depending on if you are a Hulk fan or not. I certainly think that in world breaker mode, he takes a lot of stopping. However, what Hulk fans tend to forget is that characters like Superman are far more versatile. Superman has super-speed and flight, in addition to being one of the strongest beings in either the DC or Marvel universe. He has his freezing breath, heat vision, etc, etc. Once you factor all this into the equation then Hulk is really struggling. Plus the one thing that Hulk simply cant come back from, which is that Superman can theoretically fly him off into space. I think this is why most people back Superman v Hulk on CV. Having said this, if Superman came into a battle with Hulk already at WB level, he really would have his hands full.
Superman is nowhwere near being the stongest being in ANY universe. He's strong but NOWHERE near the strongest.
Hulk has taken out planet and planet-bsuting superhumans by the indirect energy of his punches.
That's like hitting a punching bag and making your house explode by accident.
Superman only wins by knockout if he's etremely lucky or running away like a coward.
Hulk only get stronger the more he stresses.
Hulk is physically superior.
In WB mode, Superman will get vaporized just from touchng Hulk.
@manchine: LOL, did you just seriously use a fanvoted comic as a part of your argument? Ok let me join in on the fun
Are only fanvoted comics allowed? Or can i post actual fanmade ones? Because there isn't much difference really.
LOL you really don't know what that from do you. LOL I never knew the Spiderman and Superman Team up vs Doctor Doom and Parasite was a fan vote.... oh wait it wasn't.
NewsFlash: That's Silver age Sueprman. His main superpower is PIS(Plot Iduced Stupidity).
Powers as the plot demands.
That's not just boosts in physical power. Its random boosts in any sort of skill.
In the Silver age, Superman was bascially God. He commanded the DC universe. He was the DC universe itself.
Silver age Superman controlled all that was, is, and is to come.
It was ridiculous. And in the scans you showed, Even with Silver age superman being indecently powerful, Hulk was still about to beat him.
I guess you never read it. If you read it you would know what your talking about. Obviously you don't so there is no sense in discussing it. =) How I know you don't know. That's not silver age superman.
@manchine: LOL, did you just seriously use a fanvoted comic as a part of your argument? Ok let me join in on the fun
Are only fanvoted comics allowed? Or can i post actual fanmade ones? Because there isn't much difference really.
LOL you really don't know what that from do you. LOL I never knew the Spiderman and Superman Team up vs Doctor Doom and Parasite was a fan vote.... oh wait it wasn't.
That's because it's one of Marvels and one of DC's heroes where the villains from their respective universe. How can that be fanvoted? What are the fans gonna vote for? For the villains to win? Something completely different to 2 heroes from different companies fighting each other. You aren't the brightest of bunch are you? The outcome of Superman vs Hulk was determined long time ago by several different fanvote polls.
NewsFlash: That's Silver age Sueprman. His main superpower is PIS(Plot Iduced Stupidity).
Powers as the plot demands.
That's not just boosts in physical power. Its random boosts in any sort of skill.
In the Silver age, Superman was bascially God. He commanded the DC universe. He was the DC universe itself.
Silver age Superman controlled all that was, is, and is to come.
It was ridiculous. And in the scans you showed, Even with Silver age superman being indecently powerful, Hulk was still about to beat him.
I guess you never read it. If you read it you would know what your talking about. Obviously you don't so there is no sense in discussing it. =) How I know you don't know. That's not silver age superman.
Its Pre-Crisis Superman. As shown in Pre-Crisis Superboy Prime Pre-Crisis Kryptonians are much more powerful than Post Crisis Kryptonians. So while it might not be Silver Age in the sense that its from the early 80s IIRC rather than the 60s he is mostly correct in that its not really reflective of how things would probably be seen today.
OTOH Hulk overpowered what could be argued was a Silver Age Superman (given the style and apparently the chronology of the story) in the much more recent "Hulk vs Superman" crossover.
@manchine: LOL, did you just seriously use a fanvoted comic as a part of your argument? Ok let me join in on the fun
Are only fanvoted comics allowed? Or can i post actual fanmade ones? Because there isn't much difference really.
LOL you really don't know what that from do you. LOL I never knew the Spiderman and Superman Team up vs Doctor Doom and Parasite was a fan vote.... oh wait it wasn't.
That's because it's one of Marvels and one of DC's heroes where the villains from their respective universe. How can that be fanvoted? What are the fans gonna vote for? For the villains to win? Something completely different to 2 heroes from different companies fighting each other. You aren't the brightest of bunch are you? The outcome of Superman vs Hulk was determined long time ago by several different fanvote polls.
Wow you really don't know what your talking about do you.
@manchine: LOL, did you just seriously use a fanvoted comic as a part of your argument? Ok let me join in on the fun
Are only fanvoted comics allowed? Or can i post actual fanmade ones? Because there isn't much difference really.
LOL you really don't know what that from do you. LOL I never knew the Spiderman and Superman Team up vs Doctor Doom and Parasite was a fan vote.... oh wait it wasn't.
That's because it's one of Marvels and one of DC's heroes where the villains from their respective universe. How can that be fanvoted? What are the fans gonna vote for? For the villains to win? Something completely different to 2 heroes from different companies fighting each other. You aren't the brightest of bunch are you? The outcome of Superman vs Hulk was determined long time ago by several different fanvote polls.
Wow you really don't know what your talking about do you.
And you really didn't understand what i was saying either did you.
@manchine: LOL, did you just seriously use a fanvoted comic as a part of your argument? Ok let me join in on the fun
Are only fanvoted comics allowed? Or can i post actual fanmade ones? Because there isn't much difference really.
LOL you really don't know what that from do you. LOL I never knew the Spiderman and Superman Team up vs Doctor Doom and Parasite was a fan vote.... oh wait it wasn't.
That's because it's one of Marvels and one of DC's heroes where the villains from their respective universe. How can that be fanvoted? What are the fans gonna vote for? For the villains to win? Something completely different to 2 heroes from different companies fighting each other. You aren't the brightest of bunch are you? The outcome of Superman vs Hulk was determined long time ago by several different fanvote polls.
Wow you really don't know what your talking about do you.
And you really didn't understand what i was saying either did you.
That story was well before the web as we know it and polls. So you REALLY don't what your talking about.
@manchine: LOL, did you just seriously use a fanvoted comic as a part of your argument? Ok let me join in on the fun
Are only fanvoted comics allowed? Or can i post actual fanmade ones? Because there isn't much difference really.
LOL you really don't know what that from do you. LOL I never knew the Spiderman and Superman Team up vs Doctor Doom and Parasite was a fan vote.... oh wait it wasn't.
That's because it's one of Marvels and one of DC's heroes where the villains from their respective universe. How can that be fanvoted? What are the fans gonna vote for? For the villains to win? Something completely different to 2 heroes from different companies fighting each other. You aren't the brightest of bunch are you? The outcome of Superman vs Hulk was determined long time ago by several different fanvote polls.
Wow you really don't know what your talking about do you.
And you really didn't understand what i was saying either did you.
That story was well before the web as we know it and polls. So you REALLY don't what your talking about.
I love how you think polls where not conducted until the internet was invented. This is priceless, no it's beyond even that. Thank you for the lols i needed that.
@manchine: LOL, did you just seriously use a fanvoted comic as a part of your argument? Ok let me join in on the fun
Are only fanvoted comics allowed? Or can i post actual fanmade ones? Because there isn't much difference really.
LOL you really don't know what that from do you. LOL I never knew the Spiderman and Superman Team up vs Doctor Doom and Parasite was a fan vote.... oh wait it wasn't.
That's because it's one of Marvels and one of DC's heroes where the villains from their respective universe. How can that be fanvoted? What are the fans gonna vote for? For the villains to win? Something completely different to 2 heroes from different companies fighting each other. You aren't the brightest of bunch are you? The outcome of Superman vs Hulk was determined long time ago by several different fanvote polls.
Wow you really don't know what your talking about do you.
And you really didn't understand what i was saying either did you.
That story was well before the web as we know it and polls. So you REALLY don't what your talking about.
I love how you think polls where not conducted until the internet was invented. This is priceless, no it's beyond even that. Thank you for the lols i needed that.
@manchine: LOL, did you just seriously use a fanvoted comic as a part of your argument? Ok let me join in on the fun
Are only fanvoted comics allowed? Or can i post actual fanmade ones? Because there isn't much difference really.
LOL you really don't know what that from do you. LOL I never knew the Spiderman and Superman Team up vs Doctor Doom and Parasite was a fan vote.... oh wait it wasn't.
That's because it's one of Marvels and one of DC's heroes where the villains from their respective universe. How can that be fanvoted? What are the fans gonna vote for? For the villains to win? Something completely different to 2 heroes from different companies fighting each other. You aren't the brightest of bunch are you? The outcome of Superman vs Hulk was determined long time ago by several different fanvote polls.
Wow you really don't know what your talking about do you.
And you really didn't understand what i was saying either did you.
That story was well before the web as we know it and polls. So you REALLY don't what your talking about.
I love how you think polls where not conducted until the internet was invented. This is priceless, no it's beyond even that. Thank you for the lols i needed that.
Again you keep failing hard.....
Not as hard as a guy who thinks polls didn't exist before the internet, still laughing. You must have only recently learned the truth about Santa and the Easter Bunny.
@manchine: LOL, did you just seriously use a fanvoted comic as a part of your argument? Ok let me join in on the fun
Are only fanvoted comics allowed? Or can i post actual fanmade ones? Because there isn't much difference really.
LOL you really don't know what that from do you. LOL I never knew the Spiderman and Superman Team up vs Doctor Doom and Parasite was a fan vote.... oh wait it wasn't.
That's because it's one of Marvels and one of DC's heroes where the villains from their respective universe. How can that be fanvoted? What are the fans gonna vote for? For the villains to win? Something completely different to 2 heroes from different companies fighting each other. You aren't the brightest of bunch are you? The outcome of Superman vs Hulk was determined long time ago by several different fanvote polls.
Wow you really don't know what your talking about do you.
And you really didn't understand what i was saying either did you.
That story was well before the web as we know it and polls. So you REALLY don't what your talking about.
I love how you think polls where not conducted until the internet was invented. This is priceless, no it's beyond even that. Thank you for the lols i needed that.
Again you keep failing hard.....
Not as hard as a guy who thinks polls didn't exist before the internet, still laughing. You must have only recently learned the truth about Santa and the Easter Bunny.
I never said that you're the only one that said that I said web and polls. And makes it 2 seperate things. I know 2nd graders aren't taught that much but you should know that much at least. Thats why you keep failing. All you keep showing is how much you really don't know so keep it. =)
Oh and PS I know all your doing is trolling trying to start stuff because you don't know jack so I am done with you. =)
@manchine: LOL, did you just seriously use a fanvoted comic as a part of your argument? Ok let me join in on the fun
Are only fanvoted comics allowed? Or can i post actual fanmade ones? Because there isn't much difference really.
LOL you really don't know what that from do you. LOL I never knew the Spiderman and Superman Team up vs Doctor Doom and Parasite was a fan vote.... oh wait it wasn't.
That's because it's one of Marvels and one of DC's heroes where the villains from their respective universe. How can that be fanvoted? What are the fans gonna vote for? For the villains to win? Something completely different to 2 heroes from different companies fighting each other. You aren't the brightest of bunch are you? The outcome of Superman vs Hulk was determined long time ago by several different fanvote polls.
Wow you really don't know what your talking about do you.
And you really didn't understand what i was saying either did you.
That story was well before the web as we know it and polls. So you REALLY don't what your talking about.
I love how you think polls where not conducted until the internet was invented. This is priceless, no it's beyond even that. Thank you for the lols i needed that.
Again you keep failing hard.....
Not as hard as a guy who thinks polls didn't exist before the internet, still laughing. You must have only recently learned the truth about Santa and the Easter Bunny.
I never said that you're the only one that said that I said web and polls. And makes it 2 seperate things. I know 2nd graders aren't taught that much but you should know that much at least. Thats why you keep failing. All you keep showing is how much you really don't know so keep it. =)
Oh and PS I know all your doing is trolling trying to start stuff because you don't know jack so I am done with you. =)
LOL, at least make a post that makes sense. At least i know that polls existed before the internet that's more than i can say about you.
@manchine: LOL, did you just seriously use a fanvoted comic as a part of your argument? Ok let me join in on the fun
Are only fanvoted comics allowed? Or can i post actual fanmade ones? Because there isn't much difference really.
LOL you really don't know what that from do you. LOL I never knew the Spiderman and Superman Team up vs Doctor Doom and Parasite was a fan vote.... oh wait it wasn't.
That's because it's one of Marvels and one of DC's heroes where the villains from their respective universe. How can that be fanvoted? What are the fans gonna vote for? For the villains to win? Something completely different to 2 heroes from different companies fighting each other. You aren't the brightest of bunch are you? The outcome of Superman vs Hulk was determined long time ago by several different fanvote polls.
Wow you really don't know what your talking about do you.
And you really didn't understand what i was saying either did you.
That story was well before the web as we know it and polls. So you REALLY don't what your talking about.
I love how you think polls where not conducted until the internet was invented. This is priceless, no it's beyond even that. Thank you for the lols i needed that.
Again you keep failing hard.....
Not as hard as a guy who thinks polls didn't exist before the internet, still laughing. You must have only recently learned the truth about Santa and the Easter Bunny.
I never said that you're the only one that said that I said web and polls. And makes it 2 seperate things. I know 2nd graders aren't taught that much but you should know that much at least. Thats why you keep failing. All you keep showing is how much you really don't know so keep it. =)
Oh and PS I know all your doing is trolling trying to start stuff because you don't know jack so I am done with you. =)
LOL, at least make a post that makes sense. At least i know that polls existed before the internet that's more than i can say about you.
Did i perhaps rustle your jimmies? :) Ciao!
Nope I just know better. And your failed troll attempts don't work. =) At least I make sense and talk about stuff I actually know about. Unlike you who just makes things up. All prove my point more and more. Go back to your 2nd grade school and ask what AND means.
Just tired of talking to an obvious child that has no idea what they are saying.
@manchine: LOL, did you just seriously use a fanvoted comic as a part of your argument? Ok let me join in on the fun
Are only fanvoted comics allowed? Or can i post actual fanmade ones? Because there isn't much difference really.
LOL you really don't know what that from do you. LOL I never knew the Spiderman and Superman Team up vs Doctor Doom and Parasite was a fan vote.... oh wait it wasn't.
That's because it's one of Marvels and one of DC's heroes where the villains from their respective universe. How can that be fanvoted? What are the fans gonna vote for? For the villains to win? Something completely different to 2 heroes from different companies fighting each other. You aren't the brightest of bunch are you? The outcome of Superman vs Hulk was determined long time ago by several different fanvote polls.
Wow you really don't know what your talking about do you.
And you really didn't understand what i was saying either did you.
That story was well before the web as we know it and polls. So you REALLY don't what your talking about.
I love how you think polls where not conducted until the internet was invented. This is priceless, no it's beyond even that. Thank you for the lols i needed that.
Again you keep failing hard.....
Not as hard as a guy who thinks polls didn't exist before the internet, still laughing. You must have only recently learned the truth about Santa and the Easter Bunny.
I never said that you're the only one that said that I said web and polls. And makes it 2 seperate things. I know 2nd graders aren't taught that much but you should know that much at least. Thats why you keep failing. All you keep showing is how much you really don't know so keep it. =)
Oh and PS I know all your doing is trolling trying to start stuff because you don't know jack so I am done with you. =)
LOL, at least make a post that makes sense. At least i know that polls existed before the internet that's more than i can say about you.
Did i perhaps rustle your jimmies? :) Ciao!
Nope I just know better. And your failed troll attempts don't work. =) At least I make sense and talk about stuff I actually know about. Unlike you who just makes things up. All prove my point more and more. Go back to your 2nd grade school and ask what AND means.
Just tired of talking to an obvious child that has no idea what they are saying.
I guess they got rustled more than i initially thought. Yea you really showed me how much you know about the internet and polls lol.
Sorry for bumping but somebody had to say this. NEWS FLASH!!!! CROSSOVER ARE NOT F*CKING CANON!!!!! AND FOR THOSE WHO'RE GONNA BRING UP JLA/AVENGERS CROSSOVER, IT IS ONLY CANON IN DC AND NOT IN MARVEL!!!!!!!!! God, it felt so good.
@cosmiccommonsense: who says superman can't get stronger? Superman one million became almost a god by just sitting in the sun. I'm sorry but the Hulk doesn't have the feats to prove that his strength is unlimited.
It always comes down to Hulk v Superman doesn't it! Any thread like this one that started off Real Hulk v Comic Book Hulk ends up in a slanging match between the two camps and no Superman would not get vaporised just by touching Hulk in WB mode, please get real! Superman has survived being caught in an explosion with the force equivalent to a million nuclear blasts...so WB Hulk's energy is not going to damage him....Look I love both characters, so fan boys of both camps, cant we just get on?!
@lordmaverick: You mean like punching the time storm, applying force to space and time and saving defenders, literally bringing down Nightmare's dimension on his head or when he pushed against a force that could reverse earth's orbit(that's right better than bench-pressing earth) and those are all canon BTW unlike your get out of the jail free card SBP Prime. And nobody says that Supes can't get stronger as seen in OWAW.
Underestimation is to be expected given that everyone has their own,separate opinions and some are bound to be.....disagreeable (and in the case of some,uneducated). Or there might be favoritism at play. Or they might simply have a different opinion (a rational one). Or a non-rational one....or dozens of other possibilities.
That said,some people may not know enough about a character and/or may not give them the respect that is due. Underestimation/overestimation can often happen,which is why I saw a Midnighter vs Aquaman thread and people said that Midnighter would win........and they also said that Aquaman is too slow for Midnighter (facepalm x1000000000000000)
A fight between the two would be a lot closer imo. But I know fanboys/fangirls of both Hulk and supes would disagree and say their favorite would stomp over the other.
@dominicwalli: LMFAO ,You come in to this forum to trash the Hulk with a Poison Ivy avatar ! Are you a Bat-man fanboy ? If so I would love to share my thoughts on the Bat-Man. The greatest tactician ever right ? Master of every known form of martial art by early twenties. The Worlds greatest detective right ? Can accomplish anything with prep right ? Yet he couldn't devise a way to save his son from being beaten to death. Yet he cannot stop a retard with face paint and a smile definitively . His city is worse than it was before his "mission" started. Exactly how many years of prep does this master strategist need to deal with the Joker? You want to talk about a bag of sh*t , how about Batman? And why must this grown a$$ man always be surround by little boy's in green panties ? It makes you wonder about the nature of Alfred and young Bruce's relationship , Master Bruce indeed. Also what did you mean when you said you "watched" a lot of Hulk comics? That's the problem with you kids your'e supposed to read books not watch em. I have to ask, are you simple ?
srry for the really late reply,well i dont see what batman has to do with the hulk,You dont only read a comic book,u see the pictures...in fact,"reading" a comic book is more about looking at the art than reading the text,u dont "read" a movie with subtitles,u watch it(well yea a movie is not the same than a comic book,but they dont call em motion pictures for nothing).
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