Hypothesis: Hope Summers is not Jean Grey but--

Posted by sora_thekey (8161 posts) - - Show Bio
Here's where I tell you what I think will happen in... well comics!  

Most X-Men fans are almost completely certain that Hope Summers is the reincarnated form of  Jean Grey, and who could blame them for thinking that? Both Jean Grey and Hope Summers have red hair and green eyes and apparently they both have telekinesis powers as well, but there's someone else that fits that description... 

Hope will survive

One will Rise
July will bring the last chapter of the current X-Men crossover event, and after that we get a new story named "We are the X-Men". The ads for the "We are the X-Men" event have shown that Hope Summers will survive Second Coming, and her uniform hints at it being a new Phoenix costume. (See Left)
 
Recap: Hope was the first mutant born after M-Day, so to most mutants this was a sign of hope to mutantkind. She was found in Alaska and after a battle for this baby Messiah, Cable (son of Cyclops) took Hope to the future and raised her into her teenage years, which is funny because it would make Cyclops, Hope's grandfather. While growing up, Hope was trained for survival, she ran from Forge and she found her abilities to be telekinesis-like, plus a Phoenix force signature on her, various times.
  
Facts: According to all the Second Coming ads: One will Lead, One Will Die, One Will Rise, One Will Sacrifice and All Will Unite... The one that must be focused on is One will Rise. (See Left) On one side we have a sign of hope for mutantkind and on the other we see destruction brought by the Phoenix force in Hope.  
  
The fact that the Phoenix is inside Hope should suggest that she is Jean right?  
Have we forgotten that Jean Grey is not the only Phoenix host?  
 
As far as I know the Stepford Cuckoos have a part of the Phoenix, and there is also Jean Grey's daughter, Rachel Summers... (Do you see where I'm going from here?) 
   
Now, last time we saw Jean Grey she became the White Phoenix in the North Pole ( Phoenix: Endsong) and the North Pole and Alaska are pretty close. 
 

Hypothesis:

Could it be that Hope Summers, rather than being Jean reincarnated, in fact be Jean Grey's daughter? If you think about it Phoenix creates life, and Hope could be the result of somekind of offspring from Jean Grey.  
There's also the idea that she might be the 616 version of Rachel Summers, since Rachel Summers was from an alternate universe.  
 
If this proves true then Jean, once again, provides saving to mutantkind and the X-Men. 
 
So, have I gone too far? What do you all think?
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#1 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

HINTS at being a Phoenix costume? It flat out says "PHOENIX ALERT!"

#2 Posted by Edamame (28075 posts) - - Show Bio

I postulated that Hope is Madelyne Pryor

#3 Posted by sora_thekey (8161 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame said:

"I postulated that Hope is Madelyne Pryor"


Right I totally forgot about her... she fits the description also! 
but it's less likely since she was in the X-Men radar not too long ago as the leader of the Sisterhood
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#4 Edited by War Killer (20125 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought Hope got a new uniform?

#5 Posted by Comiclove5 (1258 posts) - - Show Bio

Huh. You come up with the best and most thought out hypothesis. This is a very interesting Idea. I completely agree with you that this is very possible.
#6 Posted by Pez85 (205 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm kinda Hope-ing (ha!) that Jean stays in the grave. How f'ed up would it be that Cable raised his own mother? And I really don't want to see a Scott/Emma/Jean triangle. Hope turing out to be a 616 Madelyne Pryor would be a great twist. However, I think that the mutants have been screwed over enough that it won't come to that.

#7 Posted by Psyboy2k9 (8 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a good theory, but I'm still hoping that she is Jean Grey reborn, but you could be on to something since we did see Jean talk to Emma Frost in the astral plane or White Hot Room while Hope was hoping around in the future with Cable.  I also think these "We are the X-Men" ads are bogus.  Reason being is because why would they feature Hope in these ads before Second Coming is thru, why would they just spoil something like that.  Plus the recent ad featured X-man and a vampire Jubilee, plus I'm sure the art work for these ads would be a bit better, not that I'm saying the art for these suck, but I would think they would get someone of more quality.  We'll just have to see how this pans out.  Cheers.

#8 Posted by sora_thekey (8161 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pez85 said:
"I'm kinda Hope-ing (ha!) that Jean stays in the grave. How f'ed up would it be that Cable raised his own mother?"
but Jean is not dead! She's in the White Hot Room as the White Phoenix 

@Comiclove5 said:
"Huh. You come up with the best and most thought out hypothesis. This is a very interesting Idea. I completely agree with you that this is very possible. "
Thank You! :)
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#9 Posted by MichaeltheFly (6555 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmmm, could Hope be in fact Rachel Summers?

#10 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio
@sora_thekey said:

" There's also the idea that she might be the 616 version of Rachel Summers, since Rachel Summers was from an alternate universe."

House of M showed us that there are no alternate Rachels, just the one. So, it's not her.

 As far as I know the Stepford Cuckoos have a part of the Phoenix  

 
The Phoenix left the Cuckoos a while ago.
#11 Posted by Skeletor (583 posts) - - Show Bio
#12 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18853 posts) - - Show Bio

That is possible.

#13 Posted by crimsonspider89 (817 posts) - - Show Bio

Alright, she can't be Maddie due to Maddie being the one behind the recent sisterhood arc which was responsible for the return of Psylocke to the X-Men and Hope was borned before that. She can't be the daughter of Jean considering that she was only a year old at most but Jean has been gone longer than a year. Looking like it will be Jean Grey and makes sense with the name Second Coming.

#14 Posted by kerukun878 (373 posts) - - Show Bio
@Michael the Fly said:
" Hmmm, could Hope be in fact Rachel Summers? "
A 616 Rachel? Nah. That'd ruin the feel of the character, both Rachel and Hope.
 
Hope is UNDOUBTEDLY Jean, no matter what hypothesis you come to, the most likely answer is that the Phoenix, after Jean collected all of it's pieces, reincarnated Jean into Hope.
#15 Posted by Edamame (28075 posts) - - Show Bio
@sora_thekey said:

" @Edamame said:

"I postulated that Hope is Madelyne Pryor"

Right I totally forgot about her... she fits the description also! but it's less likely since she was in the X-Men radar not too long ago as the leader of the Sisterhood "
 Consider the following:
-Both initially appeared in Alaska
-Both seem to bear a strong resemblance to Jean Grey (for Maddie, the reason is obvious) and some connection to the Phoenix Force (I've always read that Madelyne "awakened" after Dark Phoenix killed herself, but I'm unsure where that is referenced).
-Making Hope be a resurrected Jean almost seems too easy. I expect a twist.
-Sinister, who created Madelyne and always seems interested in the Summers clan, was heavily involved in the story in which Hope appeared. Coincidence? Maybe. But it could be a big clue, as well.
-Madelyne was Cable's mother. Cable is raising Hope. Wouldn't that create some rather interesting symmetry?
-Bishop's apparent insanity and belief that Hope is some sort of catalyst for his own time would be slightly more understandable and believable if Hope were the Goblin Queen rather than simply Jean Grey, wouldn't they? Maybe she really will bring about some sort of ruin...
-Madelyne has really only returned intermittently since her death in Inferno, and it had gotten to the point that I'm not sure any of those appearances were actually her.
#16 Posted by sora_thekey (8161 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame said:
" @sora_thekey said:

" @Edamame said:

"I postulated that Hope is Madelyne Pryor"

Right I totally forgot about her... she fits the description also! but it's less likely since she was in the X-Men radar not too long ago as the leader of the Sisterhood "
 Consider the following: -Both initially appeared in Alaska -Both seem to bear a strong resemblance to Jean Grey (for Maddie, the reason is obvious) and some connection to the Phoenix Force (I've always read that Madelyne "awakened" after Dark Phoenix killed herself, but I'm unsure where that is referenced). -Making Hope be a resurrected Jean almost seems too easy. I expect a twist. -Sinister, who created Madelyne and always seems interested in the Summers clan, was heavily involved in the story in which Hope appeared. Coincidence? Maybe. But it could be a big clue, as well. -Madelyne was Cable's mother. Cable is raising Hope. Wouldn't that create some rather interesting symmetry? -Bishop's apparent insanity and belief that Hope is some sort of catalyst for his own time would be slightly more understandable and believable if Hope were the Goblin Queen rather than simply Jean Grey, wouldn't they? Maybe she really will bring about some sort of ruin... -Madelyne has really only returned intermittently since her death in Inferno, and it had gotten to the point that I'm not sure any of those appearances were actually her. "
I agree Jean Grey is too easy... and that's why I've been looking for a twist (hence the offspring hypothesis)... 
With all the information you bring to the table... I guess she could be Maddie's daughter!  (Which would mean Cable raised his sister!)

@crimsonspider89 said:
"Alright, she can't be Maddie due to Maddie being the one behind the recent sisterhood arc which was responsible for the return of Psylocke to the X-Men and Hope was borned before that. She can't be the daughter of Jean considering that she was only a year old at most but Jean has been gone longer than a year. Looking like it will be Jean Grey and makes sense with the name Second Coming. "
"Second Coming" could mean Hope's second coming, since it's her return...  
If this would be Jean Grey's return it would not be Second Coming it would be her 5th!

@kerukun878 said:
" @Michael the Fly said:
" Hmmm, could Hope be in fact Rachel Summers? "
A 616 Rachel? Nah. That'd ruin the feel of the character, both Rachel and Hope.  Hope is UNDOUBTEDLY Jean, no matter what hypothesis you come to, the most likely answer is that the Phoenix, after Jean collected all of it's pieces, reincarnated Jean into Hope. "

How could she be the reincarnation of Jean if Jean is not dead? 
 
@Skeletor
said:
"Lmao, if she is the child of jean grey then
 
she is the reincarnation, ololo simple math.
"
Just because I'm my parent's son doesn't make me their reincarnation does it? 

@Korg said:
" @sora_thekey said:

" There's also the idea that she might be the 616 version of Rachel Summers, since Rachel Summers was from an alternate universe."

House of M showed us that there are no alternate Rachels, just the one. So, it's not her.

 As far as I know the Stepford Cuckoos have a part of the Phoenix  

 
The Phoenix left the Cuckoos a while ago. "
Ok so she's not Rachel, but why not her sister? 
When did the Phoenix leave the Cuckoos?
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#17 Posted by crimsonspider89 (817 posts) - - Show Bio
@sora_thekey:  The Phoenix left cuckoos in UXM # 517. As it left Rachel in space recently with Rachel saying, "Mom not right now" It is referring to the "rebirth" of Jean Grey. AKA Hope. Maddie did not have a body and who would be the father? Gonna be Jean in a younger body. With her and Hope's memories.
#18 Edited by KingBlackagar (30 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe she's really the daughter of Cable? Was is stated how he knew about her? If it was I don't remember it. Or did he know about her from the future he was raised in? Eh, I'm probably wrong, I have no idea who the mother could be. I think just some random girl would be weird. I had an idea that since Jean is the Phoenix and the Phoenix is Jean that the fragment (if it's a fragment) mutated Hope's genes to be like Jeans. But that's probably a bad idea to go with.
#19 Posted by treysome (93 posts) - - Show Bio

 They could of made Hope have a dragon snout and breathe fire, anything was possible.   Yet they made her very Jean-ish.   Infact Maddie and Rachel also have a bit Jean in them.   Would they really bring in another new red hair, green eyed TK/TP phoenix girl?   Tom one of the editors has straight up said Hope is not 616 Rachel.   So you can cross that off the list.   We know the Force is showing up in this though and last time we saw it merged with Jean looking for the other fragments.   The writers/Editors will answer no Jean questions without saying the usually “keep reading”.   So at least Jean/Phoenix will make an appearance.   Esp with the info she gave Emma.  Maybe Hope is Cable’s replacement when he bites it in SC along with Nightcrawler.  

#20 Posted by DEGRAAF (7876 posts) - - Show Bio
@treysome said:
" They could of made Hope have a dragon snout and breathe fire, anything was possible.   Yet they made her very Jean-ish.   Infact Maddie and Rachel also have a bit Jean in them.   Would they really bring in another new red hair, green eyed TK/TP phoenix girl?   Tom one of the editors has straight up said Hope is not 616 Rachel.   So you can cross that off the list.   We know the Force is showing up in this though and last time we saw it merged with Jean looking for the other fragments.   The writers/Editors will answer no Jean questions without saying the usually “keep reading”.   So at least Jean/Phoenix will make an appearance.   Esp with the info she gave Emma.  Maybe Hope is Cable’s replacement when he bites it in SC along with Nightcrawler.   "
maybe they are all fragments of the pheonix force. Maybe Hope is the other side of the same coin to Jean. hope could secretly start collecting fragments and people with connections to it. Eventually Jean will come back and they will fight for all the power of the pheonix force. K i just made all that up but it would work.
 
@crimsonspider89 said:
"Alright, she can't be Maddie due to Maddie being the one behind the recent sisterhood arc which was responsible for the return of Psylocke to the X-Men and Hope was borned before that. She can't be the daughter of Jean considering that she was only a year old at most but Jean has been gone longer than a year. Looking like it will be Jean Grey and makes sense with the name Second Coming. "
Even with the name second coming it still doesnt have to be Jean, it could be the reincarnation of jean or maybe the second coming of a true host for the Pheonix Force. Or it could just mean that the prophosized one  is returning 
 

@Korg said:
" @sora_thekey said:

" There's also the idea that she might be the 616 version of Rachel Summers, since Rachel Summers was from an alternate universe."

House of M showed us that there are no alternate Rachels, just the one. So, it's not her.

 As far as I know the Stepford Cuckoos have a part of the Phoenix  

 
The Phoenix left the Cuckoos a while ago. "
House of M showed us there WERE no alternate Rachels at that time. (i dont remember it showing us that)
  

@Michael the Fly
said:
"Hmmm, could Hope be in fact Rachel Summers? "

i found this claim most interesting, wouldnt that make her the actual off spring of Scott?
#21 Posted by kerukun878 (373 posts) - - Show Bio
@DEGRAAF: Hope IS the true holder of the PF. :S
#22 Posted by squiresmadnessmachine (303 posts) - - Show Bio

i think anything is possible and that is good speculation. 
but i think its a clone of jean it makes sense and its the easy way out.
#23 Posted by DEGRAAF (7876 posts) - - Show Bio
@kerukun878 said:
" @DEGRAAF: Hope IS the true holder of the PF. :S "

was that stated some where?
#24 Posted by KumoriKunoichi (588 posts) - - Show Bio

It doesn't matter: she's the character that will never die.

#25 Posted by sora_thekey (8161 posts) - - Show Bio
@KumoriKunoichi: Who?
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#26 Posted by KumoriKunoichi (588 posts) - - Show Bio
@sora_thekey: 
Jean Grey and every form of her. I'm really sick of her.
#27 Posted by mattastic (26 posts) - - Show Bio

The whole Rachel thing doesn't make a lot of sense either.  Why would they introduce a new Rachel when the one we have right now has issues.
 
I don't think that she is Jean's daughter.  Considering Jean is in the White Hot Room.  I think Hope is her own person, she might have a connection to Jean, and clearly to the Phoenix, but I think she is her own person.

#28 Posted by Paranormal_Life (63 posts) - - Show Bio

You said a lot of the same stuff I had recently come to conclude. Though, I'm leaning more towards the fact that Hope is Jean Grey reincarnated. This is primarily based off of the Phoenix egg in the Here Comes Tomorrow story line- the one that had an infantile Jean Grey within. My theory is that the Phoenix egg finally hatched, which coincides with the destruction caused at her birth. But my second theory is that she is the second offspring of Scott and Jean, which is why Nathan cares so much for her...because he's her big brother.

#29 Posted by Erik (32248 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean Grey is the Phoenix Force, not a host. If Hope has the Phoenix Force, it is likely that she is either a new host for Jean/Phoenix or she is Jean reincarnated. I prefer the latter because there really is no need for the Phoenix Force to have a host because of Jean. Also, Jean is not Cable's mother. Madelyne is.  
 
Rachel does not have any alternate reality counterparts. They are all one person IIRC. I do not know what issue this is in, but it states it in this issue: 
 

#30 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18853 posts) - - Show Bio

Also didn't Emma see Jean, and helped her snap out of the illusion that Lady Mastermind put her in?

#31 Posted by diamondtelepath (3 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm really not into trying to figure this out ahead of time only because I'm on the fence of how I would feel if Jean "came back" in any type of form, but I did have one important question, lol... 
 
When did Jean talk to Emma? Was that during the Sisterhood arc?  
  

Thanks in advance!  =D

#32 Posted by sora_thekey (8161 posts) - - Show Bio
@diamondtelepath said:
" I'm really not into trying to figure this out ahead of time only because I'm on the fence of how I would feel if Jean "came back" in any type of form, but I did have one important question, lol...  When did Jean talk to Emma? Was that during the Sisterhood arc?    Thanks in advance!  =D "
It's not official that it was jean to talked to Emma, but it is the most likely explanation....
In the Sisterhood arc she was captured by Lady Mastermind and was being mentally "tortured" but a naked red-headed woman came and freed her!
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#33 Posted by COBRAMORPH (1554 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, Hope was raised by Cable, & Rachel did kiss him while in Captain Britian's body.

#34 Posted by bent25j (1 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that Jean Grey was pregnant when she got killed by Magneto, and then somehow the fetus got transfered to a different host in Alaska.
#35 Posted by Edamame (28075 posts) - - Show Bio
@bent25j said:
" I think that Jean Grey was pregnant when she got killed by Magneto, and then somehow the fetus got transfered to a different host in Alaska. "
Ouch!
#36 Edited by kiss_lamia (1247 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame said:

" I postulated that Hope is Madelyne Pryor "

that could be possible for example hope dies maddie has a new body to come back into that can handle her energies, hopefully she makes  a return soon coz  she is just awesome lol
#37 Posted by Phoenix_Decending (1 posts) - - Show Bio

I have the theory that Hope is Madelyne reborn harboring the Dark Phoenix. Some clues like her and Prof. X not getting along, Bishop thinking shes bad, Emma almost smothering her, etc., and then there was Jeans apperance to Emma to "prepare". For the second coming of the Dark Phoenix? Hope has already exhibited some "rage issues".

We know Jean is alive as the White Phoenix gathering fragments of the Phoenix Force. The Dark Phoenix would be one of these fragments correct? Im guessing the Dark Phoenix wouldn't want to go quietly and Madelyne would be a perfect host for the Dark Phoenix, considering. That could be the 2nd coming that is referred, of the Dark Phoenix. Plus it has been hinted before that Madelyne, in another version (X-Men: The End), was the Dark Phoenix. From her wiki page: "After Cyclops and Jean Grey are also killed, Madelyne cryptically reveals that, since the very beginning, she was always both Madelyne Pryor and a crucial portion of Jean Grey herself (and even hinted to being the Dark Phoenix)" And we know that Madelyn came from Alaska and she and Scott lived there. As the Red Queen she tried to bring herself back using a lock of Jeans hair and her body but failed because Scott had switched Jeans body causing Madelyne to "either discorporate or become absorbed into the fake, but her ultimate fate is unknown."

I kinda hope we are leading up to a square off between White Phoenix (Jean) and Dark Phoenix (Madelyne). Just my thoughts.

#39 Edited by oviouslyjeangrey (400 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't really care what going to happen to hope or what ever i just want jean back :( and if hope is going to some how in some shape way or form guna bring jean back then hope is bad a** for that lol

#40 Edited by njones5 (234 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't care about hope i want jean back however

#41 Posted by HAWK2916 (1656 posts) - - Show Bio

@phoenix_decending: I think this would make for a compelling story. I'd love to see this happen and the reactions from it

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