Hope the mutant messiah & possibly destroyer of humanity

Posted by DATNIGGA (1193 posts) - - Show Bio

Generation hope #16 brought something to my attention... SPOILERS below

I wrote a blog about asking why she was able to control the 5 lights & kenji aka zero mentioned why in the lasted book. it would seem any mutant she awakens she gains a control over. kind of like your dormant (in a cage) she awakens your powers (lets you out but puts a leash on you) it was also said by kenji that if she did this to every new mutant she would have complete control over the mutant race...

Future hope

IMAGINE all those mutants some omega others just really dangerous all under the control hope... that wouldnt be so bad if.. she had any signs of becoming a future hero. but she doesn't

she's spoiled rotten shes self centered , controlling & manipulative look at the way she reacts to oya leaving

she has issues clearly.. but the most troubling thing about all this is she seems to not only have a hold on the mutants she awakens but others as well

Hope's influence

the stepford cuckoos a three some a team of connected minds.. but one of them takes the side of hope...

also cyclops lets her get away with murder all the time everytime you mention somthing to him about what hope does or might do he doesnt listen..

these two examples are very similar to how the five lights are towards her as well...

she controlling mutants even if she does some how bring mutant kind back from extinction the'll all be under the total control of hope summers & what will this mean for humanity? what happens if they make hope mad? & she has an entire race of mutants at her disposal & can use all there powers?

she could very well grow to be a serious problem..

#1 Edited by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

She's a bit controlling but then she's trying to emulate Cable, who controlled every aspect of her life as she was dragged from dead world to dead world being hunted by Bishop. It would be more unusual if she were well-adjusted. She's got the biggest case of "only child syndrome" ever. And her powers are poorly defined at best, and a cheap Rogue knockoff at worst. I agree that they need to define her better but at least with this "budding mutant tyrant" thread they're finally doing something with her.

#2 Posted by DATNIGGA (1193 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg: I still dont fully understand her powers yet... if she has the powers of every mutant ever then shouldn't she be the strongest person in marvel period? whats stopping her from using nate grey's powers in conjunction with legion , or all the healing factors , weather control , earth quakes ect there has to be some set back cause she doesn't even use powers most of the time.

#3 Posted by DEGRAAF (7881 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree that she will eventually have to die or be taken back to wherever the PF comes from but i have to say i really like the future costume

#4 Posted by DATNIGGA (1193 posts) - - Show Bio

@DEGRAAF: I like it too it makes her look like a mutant warlord

#5 Posted by Daycrawler (554 posts) - - Show Bio

@DATNIGGA said:

@fodigg: I still dont fully understand her powers yet... if she has the powers of every mutant ever then shouldn't she be the strongest person in marvel period? whats stopping her from using nate grey's powers in conjunction with legion , or all the healing factors , weather control , earth quakes ect there has to be some set back cause she doesn't even use powers most of the time.

I think her power is effectively proximity based. She can only utilize the powers of mutants that are near her. Kinda like Rogue but without the touching. I think she's not used her power in a more obvious way or more often because she still has the soldier mentality driven into her by Cable, so prefers to use weapons and brute force. Plus she's more focused on training her team into a tight, well drilled unit - which ironically is one of the things that's driving them apart - before exploring her own mutant capabilities more. Also, her power usually seems to manifest when she is angry or in great danger so perhaps she can't just turn it on when she wants. And she knows that using her powers drains her energy fast which would be another reason why she uses it infrequently and prefers to rely on her weapons skills.

That's the way I read the situation anyway. Kinda think it that not having a fully defined sense of what her powers are or their limits is good, especially with AvX coming up. This, along with the potential connection to the Phoenix Force and her mental state re: the Lights rebelling against her, makes for an interesting and unpredictable situation. You get the sense that, when she loses it (which I'm sure she will at some point) it's going to get real crazy, real quick.

#6 Posted by Nudeviking (479 posts) - - Show Bio

@DATNIGGA said:

@fodigg: I still dont fully understand her powers yet... if she has the powers of every mutant ever then shouldn't she be the strongest person in marvel period? whats stopping her from using nate grey's powers in conjunction with legion , or all the healing factors , weather control , earth quakes ect there has to be some set back cause she doesn't even use powers most of the time.

She seems to have powers similar to Synch from Generation X: proximity based duplication of another mutant's powers.

#7 Edited by AgeofHurricane (7297 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry but Hope is NOT taking control over Phoebe, that scene was just Asmus giving the Cuckoo's the persona's that were long over due since the Phoenix Force' fragments left their hearts, out of the three of them Phoebe's the more independent one with a different personality, she doesn't exactly agree with the majority of her sisters actions most of the time and it has nothing to do with Hope's influence.

#8 Posted by lorex (954 posts) - - Show Bio

She was raised by Cable a take charge kind of guy, and that comes out in her personality.

#9 Posted by Edenstar (79 posts) - - Show Bio

Hope really needs a reality check. By that, someone needs to sit her down and explain to her that she doesn't know everything. As a soldier, as a grunt, she's got some skill but she is far too inexperienced to be a leader. Being a messiah doesn't always mean you're right, it just means that you have tools needed to remake everything. I think that she's trying to emulate Cable and the way she was raised/trained. Cable started with a blank slate as he got Hope when she was a baby. Therefore, she could be molded much more easily than say a teenager. She's trying to force her methods down the Five Lights' throats. Because she apparently has the ability to control them and possibly other new mutants, she's a liability at BEST and the END OF THE WORLD at WORST. She doesn't know how to lead and she's too stubborn to try anything other than her own way. I agree with Zero/Kenji, I don't trust her. I wonder, was BASTION right?

#10 Posted by punkpuppy3 (178 posts) - - Show Bio

weird I didn't care for Phoebe much now I actually like her. Celeste and Irma really need to think about what they are doing through

#11 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1655 posts) - - Show Bio

Liability at best, end of the world at worst sums up Hope's character as far as i'm concerned. Since the start she's been acting like a Cable wannabe which is all well and good (Cause come on, who doesn't wannabe Cable sometimes?) but doesn't mean much when you're not an effective leader. Either you're born a leader or you're made into one. Hope's a soldier, without a commanding officer, who's never been trained to be a leader, doesn't have the talent to be one, doesn't want to listen to anyone, and is now acting as if she has the right to lead and control everyone due to her status as the Messiah. I think shes going to end up bringing a lot of pain and destruction to the mutants if she doesn't get herself under control and grow up.

#12 Posted by DATNIGGA (1193 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nathaniel_Christopher: Shes young and all the fame & power is getting to her head tbh many powerful mutants/charcters have went thru this god complex type of attitude

Cable went through it when he get his powers amplified to full power

Nate grey went through it that time he had everyone in NY looking at him like a god

Thor.. well he is a god but there was that time tryed to crown himself THE god over earth

absolute power corrupts & constant praise breeds arrogance

#13 Posted by frozenedge (1240 posts) - - Show Bio

Its because of one simple thing: her last name. Her last name is Summers and we all know how much trouble people of the Summers family have controlling their powers (Scott, Vulcan, Jean, Hope, Rachel, Nate by extension of DNA). But I had a feeling something like this was extremely possible for her seeing as how Scott basically pampered her as soon as he saw the Phoenix in her. She needs to be smacked around a bit by somebody so she stop acting high and mighty. And somebody needs to smack Scott around too for letting her get away with the stuff she's done.

#14 Posted by Mercy_ (92708 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozenedge said:

And somebody needs to smack Scott around too for letting her get away with the stuff she's done.

lol have you read Gen Hope #16? Scott and Hope are starting to get their comeuppance.

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#15 Posted by frozenedge (1240 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Dark Huntress: sadly no I've been swamped with work lately. But its about time they got what they deserved

#16 Posted by Mercy_ (92708 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozenedge: When/if you get a chance, I definitely recommend it. It's the second to last issue of the book and everything's starting to come together.

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#17 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:

@frozenedge said:

And somebody needs to smack Scott around too for letting her get away with the stuff she's done.

lol have you read Gen Hope #16? Scott and Hope are starting to get their comeuppance.

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Kieroooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon 
 
 
 
And for the record, Reed, Doom or Pym could take Hope down in a heartbeat if they felt the need. 
#18 Posted by frozenedge (1240 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Dark Huntress: thanks. I'll check it out when I get the chance

#19 Posted by leigh_rogue888 (116 posts) - - Show Bio

So whats the opinion on the brain washing that seems to be going around? The way Idie acted after killing a bunch of Hellfire people? I think Kenji is right about the mind controlling of the mutants. Making mutants see it her way. I just read a recent X-men Legacy where some of the younger crowd completely give up and become "soldiers" like Hope is.

#20 Posted by DATNIGGA (1193 posts) - - Show Bio

@leigh_rogue888: I made another blog about Wolverine VS cyclops's opinions. & I also read the x men legacy that book pointed out & confirmed the fail in wolverines logic. Rogue was saying GET OUT OF HERE YOUR JUST KIDS!!!!!!! Lol but as exodus pointed out if it weren't for those ''kids'' they wouldn't have won the fight vs exodus. mutants will always be hunted thus they must fight to survive they cant be cuddled & forced to be little kids when the world is trying to kill them.

#21 Posted by leigh_rogue888 (116 posts) - - Show Bio

@DATNIGGA: Yes both sides have valid points, but is Wolverine's side wrong for wanting some of the kids to have a childhood? I want to agree that mutant kind should come together as one, but like most things in life not everything is black and white, there are shades of grey. Yes the "soldiers" with Hope have lost most if not all innocence and are committed to being the soldiers, but does that mean we should condem all young mutants to such fate?

#22 Edited by DATNIGGA (1193 posts) - - Show Bio

@leigh_rogue888: they should simply let the kids be what they want if they want to be a kid fine if they want to be solder sure. but on both sides it seems like they force the kids to do one or the other. wolverine could be getting beatin down & a young mutant offers to help & hes like ''NOOOOO YOUR JUST A KID!!!'' or if they want to be kid in utopia cyclops is like ''Naw were targets we must fight''.

like you said they both have valid points but they shouldn't force the kids to do something they should just let them choose

#23 Posted by WarMachineMarkV (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

- If the X-Men were not run into the ground by following the flawed directions of Cyclops and Wolverine they would not need to use the kids except for emergencies. The whole schism makes no sense, it is not a disagreement on direction that could not be fixed easily, and should of long before it got to this point, writers wanted it to happen and did a poor job of justifying it.

- There are enough trained, adult mutants available to stock at least 6 field teams, more if they use the ex-villains. There is no reason beyond a writers direction that any of the kids are in the field yet.

- None of the kids are trained or mature enough to make a a decision of that magnitude, we don't let 15 year olds drive a car alone and you want to let them choose to be under trained and inexperienced soldiers by choice instead of as a last resort, i do not see the logic.

#24 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7297 posts) - - Show Bio
@DATNIGGA said:

@leigh_rogue888: I made another blog about Wolverine VS cyclops's opinions. & I also read the x men legacy that book pointed out & confirmed the fail in wolverines logic. Rogue was saying GET OUT OF HERE YOUR JUST KIDS!!!!!!! Lol but as exodus pointed out if it weren't for those ''kids'' they wouldn't have won the fight vs exodus. mutants will always be hunted thus they must fight to survive they cant be cuddled & forced to be little kids when the world is trying to kill them.

Doesn't Exodus being a mutant himself change that ? Schism was brought about because two IDIOTS couldn't decided on how to preserve the next generation of mutants, that is, from their human oppressors.
#25 Posted by DATNIGGA (1193 posts) - - Show Bio

@AgeofHurricane: not really cause the whole point he was trying to make was that divided they are weak but together they are strong. the mutant race has a better chance surviving as a whole then it does divided of course.. they should go into hiding together instead of being out in the open

#26 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (3563 posts) - - Show Bio

@DATNIGGA said:

@AgeofHurricane: not really cause the whole point he was trying to make was that divided they are weak but together they are strong. the mutant race has a better chance surviving as a whole then it does divided of course.. they should go into hiding together instead of being out in the open

Sounds like he was making a pitch to make another Asteroid M with a bunch of Acolytes.

#27 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

Please do concentration camps on humans hope

#28 Posted by DATNIGGA (1193 posts) - - Show Bio

@PhoenixoftheTides: True but its the truth though lol

#29 Posted by DEGRAAF (7881 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nerx said:

Please do concentration camps on humans hope

why concentration camps, the humans have nothing to offer mutants so there is no reason to keep them around

#30 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@DEGRAAF said:

@Nerx said:

Please do concentration camps on humans hope

why concentration camps, the humans have nothing to offer mutants so there is no reason to keep them around

Have you ever read an xmen comic and how humans treat mutants? Other minorities in real life don't have frickin giant robots monitoring them 24/7 for seek and destroy missions

#31 Posted by DEGRAAF (7881 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nerx said:

@DEGRAAF said:

@Nerx said:

Please do concentration camps on humans hope

why concentration camps, the humans have nothing to offer mutants so there is no reason to keep them around

Have you ever read an xmen comic and how humans treat mutants? Other minorities in real life don't have frickin giant robots monitoring them 24/7 for seek and destroy missions

so....? Again the humans have nothing to offer the mutants so there is no reason to keep them around. The reason mutants were put in concentration camps was to brand them and study them. Their is no reason to study humans so the only other thing to do is kill them. They could enslave them as pesent workers

#32 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@DEGRAAF said:

@Nerx said:

@DEGRAAF said:

@Nerx said:

Please do concentration camps on humans hope

why concentration camps, the humans have nothing to offer mutants so there is no reason to keep them around

Have you ever read an xmen comic and how humans treat mutants? Other minorities in real life don't have frickin giant robots monitoring them 24/7 for seek and destroy missions

so....? Again the humans have nothing to offer the mutants so there is no reason to keep them around. The reason mutants were put in concentration camps was to brand them and study them. Their is no reason to study humans so the only other thing to do is kill them. They could enslave them as pesent workers

Well there is that 'other' function of the concentration camp, but slaughterhouse suits the purpose better for the marvel humans for the unjust treatment they did to mutants over the decades of existence. They used religion, politics, magic, technology to oppress the mutants and its their turn to be hunted, and they can study humans to convert them.

#33 Posted by DEGRAAF (7881 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nerx: what other function?

#34 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@DEGRAAF: mass genocide

#35 Posted by DEGRAAF (7881 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nerx: yea. Like i said the mutant have no need to put humans in to concentration camps they should just kill them if they want to take over

#36 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@DEGRAAF: apoc would probably do that

#37 Posted by DeviousBastard (136 posts) - - Show Bio

So why would the motivation be? The same as AOA Wolverine, maybe?

#38 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (3248 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt: hope is a combat soldier, hand to hand specialist and a gun expert.............shes hard to kill

#39 Posted by DATNIGGA (1193 posts) - - Show Bio

@HopesummersFORtheFUTURE: sometimes it seems like that other times it seems like shes a helpless child... i think thats due to how marvel writers write her & younger hero's in general though

#40 Posted by McKlayn (1077 posts) - - Show Bio

well thanks to AvX i think the whole idea of her becoming a Tyrant is over, Cyclops took her place in history

LONG LIVE CYCLOPS!!!

#41 Posted by hellohi (2 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Hope becoming a tyrant is still possible... After all, she technically did restart the mutant race and I would not be surprised if she was able to influence them. Cyclops and the Phoenix Five didn't really seem like tyrants because we pretty much knew what the outcome would be in regards to Phoenix...

But with Hope dominating the world, or causing the deaths of humans, it makes for a very interesting story just like House of M.

#42 Posted by DATNIGGA (1193 posts) - - Show Bio

@McKlayn: how did cyclops take her place?

hes not a tyrant he was being influenced by the Phoenix & being provoked & the situation ended violently

hes also not the savior cause hope & wanda brought mutants back so...

don't get me wrong Cyke is awesome & in my opinion the best leader mutant kind has ever had but i dont see how he took her place

#43 Posted by McKlayn (1077 posts) - - Show Bio

@DATNIGGA: Maybe i worded that a little wrong, basically the way I see it being told "Hope gets the phoenix can't control it kills a few hundred humans gains ahold of it and brings mutants back, however they will be feared and hated and thrown into concentration camps IE Bishop's future" With Cyclops actually being the one to go Dark Phoenix he will get the Blame for all the bad and be the mutant that humans hate (not saying he deserves it i am totally on his side Cyclops is the man) and Hope will avoid any of the negative side affects that Bishop seemed to relate to her and Cyclops will have gotten them instead. At least thats how i see the Marvel writers setting it up

#44 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (3248 posts) - - Show Bio

@McKlayn said:

well thanks to AvX i think the whole idea of her becoming a Tyrant is over, Cyclops took her place in history

LONG LIVE CYCLOPS!!!

poor cyclops.....will he ever catch a break

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