Hope Summers - What a Brat!

Posted by Gold Dust Boi (516 posts) - - Show Bio

The title says it all doesnt it?  Somewhere along the line the fiesty mutant messiah turned into a snotty stuck up little brat!  I dont care what future you were raised in and who did the raising...YOU'RE ON OUR TURF NOW GIRL! First and foremost lets ignore the fact that Cyclops is basically her grandfather and the only real family she has (besides that grandmother of hers that we never hear of), he is also the leader of the free mutant world at this point, in a world where there arent that many mutants left...and she throws a tantrum and threatens to leave with the 5 Lights?  Why not just take her ball and go home? Or hold your breath till you're blue in the face? For someone was raised in several different war-like times, she has a pretty shoddy grip on the current mutant situation if she thinks that just up and bouncing with the new mutants is an appropriate response for her to have if Cyclops won't just let her do what she wants and whenever she wants to.  Oh yeah and about that...Why should she gets to do whatever she wants when even Storm respects the chain of command with Cyclops at the top???  Temperamental and feisty is one thing but this stuck up little brat would have Cable rolling over in his grave if he saw how she was treating and disrespecting Scott.  Of course all this is coming off of my massive disappointment at the end of Second Coming and her failure to be any sort of mutant messiah...the whole Hope Summers scenario has been a big bust in my opinion...so disappointing...

#1 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12402 posts) - - Show Bio

ove never read anything with hope in it so i cant really judge. but i do feel sorry for her. shes lost the only tihng she ever truly had,and scott really isnt the best relativve in the world. but she does need to realise soon that she just cant hold o to these personal grudges in her line of work.
#2 Posted by joshmightbe (24464 posts) - - Show Bio

A teenager being difficult wow that never happens in the real world at all

#3 Posted by Gold Dust Boi (516 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe said:
" A teenager being difficult wow that never happens in the real world at all "
I totally agree with you...teenagers are notoriously awful in the real world...but even at their most immature Jubilee and Kitty never threatened to just storm out and take a group of people with them...no they bitched and moaned and threw a hissy fit in the blackbird hanger bay and then got over it.  And she has people responsible to her (whether she likes it or not) and to use them as bargaining chips in her pissing contest with Cyclops is NOT how Cable raised her.  He raised her to be mature and professional and get the job done...and then fight about it later on.  What would she do if she left?  A girl who was thrown by the concept of barrettes and hairbrushes isnt really in a position to take care of herself and 5 brand new mutants who thinks they are part of some prophecy...
#4 Posted by FortressoftheMoon (678 posts) - - Show Bio

You also forgot that Hope Summers is DC's Damien Wayne. Potentially interesting young characters throw in the love em or hate em split due to their douchebaggery.   
 
Another example of what happen to kids with powers not getting spanked by a thick leather belt when they were younger to get put in their place.  

 

 

#5 Edited by jordama (4225 posts) - - Show Bio

She has a lot of power, not just because of her mutation, and sway in our time, what she wants will get done. She is simply embraing that. 
 
When Namor does it he is entitled.
#6 Posted by EmmaGrace (1023 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gold Dust Boi:
Agreed, and I can't wait until they day when someone decides to bitch slap her back into place. I would love to see how Emma would react if the brat tried that shit with her... :)

#7 Posted by sputnik (210 posts) - - Show Bio
@EmmaGrace: man, that's something i'd love to see too! emma does not take crap from anyone, especially not from a brat.
#8 Posted by EmmaGrace (1023 posts) - - Show Bio

Exactly! Hmm; diamond punched in the face, or telepathically tortured. Both would be beautiful. :)
#9 Posted by Weapon-Alpha (147 posts) - - Show Bio
@EmmaGrace: i just read on hope's page that emma and hope did have a spat because hope walked out of Emma's class and was criticizing how the mutant girls dressed and that cable would have hated emma and stormed out and emma threatened her and hope threatened her back saying she would burn emma to cinder

she is a brat because she was yelling at Prof. X saying that the institute was the wrong thing to do because it separated the mutants from the human population she almost made it sound like he locked the mutants in the school instead of take them in and protect them 
#10 Posted by Kairan1979 (16702 posts) - - Show Bio

Let's not forget how scared Emma was when she saw the shadow of Phoenix (in the scene in Second Coming when Hope activated Five Lights). If Hope uses her full power, Scott will need to look for a new telepath.
 Look at Hope after the Second Coming. Half of X-Men blame her for the death of their friends (totally uncalled for; it's not like Bastion, Master Mold and the others never tried to destroy all the mutants before). Half of them are scared after her display of powers, expecting new Dark Pnoenix or something like this. And the others expect Hope to click her fingers and solve all their problems. And on top of all, she has to take care of five new mutants.
I feel incredibly sorry for Hope. In many ways she is like John Connor, and we all remember that John wasn't a poster boy.

#11 Posted by Shadowdoggy (3815 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kairan1979:
I agree with you

she has a huge weight on her shoulders

I'm just looking forward to seeing how her character involves

#12 Posted by Squares (4678 posts) - - Show Bio

It's called having a personality. Sometimes characters get one.

#13 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

She's ungrateful and annoying. But you know, 90% of the X-Men are ungrateful and annoying now. So it's relative.

#14 Posted by Gold Dust Boi (516 posts) - - Show Bio
@Squares: Yes but you can have a personality without upsetting and disturbing an already tense situation.  Lets not forget that she's the new girl and doesn't have the right to walk around Utopia like she owns it.  Granted she's acting like a normal teenaged girl but normal teenaged girls (even X-girls) don't get to run and lead their own team and she cant have it both ways.  So if she doesn't want people to treat her like the "mutant messiah" then she should stop acting like shes better then everyone else...because she isn't.
#15 Posted by Mercy_ (92257 posts) - - Show Bio

Just got down with Generation Hope issue 3. The more I read of her, the less I like her, which sucks, because there was a point in time where she was one of my top five favorite characters.

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#16 Posted by Gold Dust Boi (516 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:

Just got down with Generation Hope issue 3. The more I read of her, the less I like her, which sucks, because there was a point in time where she was one of my top five favorite characters.

She gotten a little better in the issues after that but not much...but i agree, at one point she was becoming one of my faves but then she grew up and never grew out of that snotty puberty phase. 
#17 Posted by Mercy_ (92257 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay. Just read Uncanny X-Men #539, starring Hope. I absolutely loved it.

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#18 Posted by celestial_man (108 posts) - - Show Bio

i refuse to buy generation hope  and i hate  the character anyone  that causes  both  nightcrawler and cable to die will have my infinite scorn.

#19 Posted by fodigg (6130 posts) - - Show Bio

She may have learned military skills, but she's NEVER had to deal with a chain of command. It was always her and Nathan.

#20 Posted by Gold Dust Boi (516 posts) - - Show Bio
@fodigg: Exactly!  She can be as powerful as she wants and have all the military knowledge that exists, if she doesnt follow any orders and doesn't respect the chain of command then shes no better then one else on that island.
#21 Posted by White Angel Of Death (691 posts) - - Show Bio

Eurgh she's just as annoying as her fanboys (Yes that's right......she has some already!) And whats also annoying is that people always put her in the summers family category. "oh she's a summers kid, there always powersful!" She was kidnapped as a baby! She is in not blood relation at all to the summers family, only person she had any ties to was cable and now he's dead! Rant over hahahaha

#22 Posted by Daycrawler (552 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gold Dust Boi said:
@fodigg: Exactly!  She can be as powerful as she wants and have all the military knowledge that exists, if she doesnt follow any orders and doesn't respect the chain of command then shes no better then one else on that island.
Yeah but that's the whole point! She's been dropped into a situation where there is this rigid chain of command with General Cyclops in charge, a man she holds partly responsible for Cables death. Reckon it would be kind of difficult to immediately step in line  and respect the chain of command when she doesn't respect the leader. She's a fish out of water with the headstrong character of Cable and no immediate continual threat to fight anymore (Bishop). Also, lets be honest, it would be kinda boring if she immediately 'got' everything, followed orders and was all happy and content.  
 
Hopes basically a regular moody teen that has to contend with people seeing her as a messiah/hating her/avoiding her which would explain why emotions run high when anyone messes with the five lights, not just her team but pretty much her only friends. Add to that her step-mom being killed, chased for the first 17 years of her life through an apocalyptic future by Bishop, returning to the present to find that an insane sentinel wants to kill you, seeing your step-dad killed, being stuck on utopia, etc, then you're lucky that she's only a teen that goes through immature bitchy  spells instead of an insane/psychopathic/post-traumatic wreck. 
 
Kitty did call Prof X a jerk!  What a bitch!  :P
#23 Edited by Daycrawler (552 posts) - - Show Bio
@Weapon-Alpha said:

@EmmaGrace: i just read on hope's page that emma and hope did have a spat because hope walked out of Emma's class and was criticizing how the mutant girls dressed and that cable would have hated emma and stormed out and emma threatened her and hope threatened her back saying she would burn emma to cinder

she is a brat because she was yelling at Prof. X saying that the institute was the wrong thing to do because it separated the mutants from the human population she almost made it sound like he locked the mutants in the school instead of take them in and protect them 

I didn't read it as her yelling at Prof X. Talking, yeah, but not yelling. She had valid points as did the Prof. Think the scene was basically intended to read as Prof X and Magneto having polar opposite views back in the day, but Hope looking at them and perhaps seeing flaws in both (the implication being that means to forge her own way and the old arguments are perhaps not as valid as they once were). Didn't read bitchy to me. Just her questioning and older generations views, which lets face it, pretty much ALL teens do! 
 
And the burn to a cinder thing. Is this hope talking, or the phoenix or Jean even? Given all these phoenix like flare ups, whose to say that Hopes bitchier moments are actually Hopes thoughts. Could be the influence of the Phoenix (hence Logans wariness of Hope in Uncanny X Men 539).
#24 Posted by One_Eye (783 posts) - - Show Bio
@White Angel Of Death: I agree. I'm not a fan of her, still not certain what powers she possess, and she just generally strikes me as a Jen Grey/  Cable-lite. I'm honestly not interested in her in the slightest bit. Heard the character was actually going through some significant character grown but now she's just all "I Hate Scott Summers." I'll be glad when she's run her course.
#25 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12402 posts) - - Show Bio
@Daycrawler said:
@Gold Dust Boi said:
@fodigg: Exactly!  She can be as powerful as she wants and have all the military knowledge that exists, if she doesnt follow any orders and doesn't respect the chain of command then shes no better then one else on that island.
Yeah but that's the whole point! She's been dropped into a situation where there is this rigid chain of command with General Cyclops in charge, a man she holds partly responsible for Cables death. Reckon it would be kind of difficult to immediately step in line  and respect the chain of command when she doesn't respect the leader. She's a fish out of water with the headstrong character of Cable and no immediate continual threat to fight anymore (Bishop). Also, lets be honest, it would be kinda boring if she immediately 'got' everything, followed orders and was all happy and content.   Hopes basically a regular moody teen that has to contend with people seeing her as a messiah/hating her/avoiding her which would explain why emotions run high when anyone messes with the five lights, not just her team but pretty much her only friends. Add to that her step-mom being killed, chased for the first 17 years of her life through an apocalyptic future by Bishop, returning to the present to find that an insane sentinel wants to kill you, seeing your step-dad killed, being stuck on utopia, etc, then you're lucky that she's only a teen that goes through immature bitchy  spells instead of an insane/psychopathic/post-traumatic wreck.  Kitty did call Prof X a jerk!  What a bitch!  :P

agreed......just because she's adjusting to it slower dosnt make her a brat it makes her human
#26 Posted by x_29 (2272 posts) - - Show Bio

Hope is my least favorite x-man. I have not hated a teenage character this much since jason todd as robin.

#27 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (2767 posts) - - Show Bio

@x_29:

Hope rules.....i think marvel is still building up her charater.....jean/hope/phoenix connection not over yet

i have big hopes for the future

#28 Posted by x_29 (2272 posts) - - Show Bio

@HopesummersFORtheFUTURE said:

@x_29:

Hope rules.....i think marvel is still building up her charater.....jean/hope/phoenix connection not over yet

i have big hopes for the future

Okay, good for you.

#29 Posted by lorex (939 posts) - - Show Bio

I would like to see her get some more character development, as she has really not been around very long. What I really do not want to happen would be for her to be made into an Avenger. I hope she continues to forge ties with mutants and the X-Men. I would also like foe there to be more interaction between her and Cable a it seems he is slated to wake soon.

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