Hope Summers Potential

#1 Posted by EmmaGrace (1024 posts) - - Show Bio

In comparison to other heroes; such as Cyclops, Storm, Jean Grey, Emma Frost, etc. what power level does Hope potentially posses?

#2 Posted by Mercy_ (92704 posts) - - Show Bio

Power level? We already know she's a host to the Phoenix. I'd say she has the potential to be on the same or a close level to Jean. 

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#3 Posted by Edamame (28160 posts) - - Show Bio
@EmmaGrace said:
" In comparison to other heroes; such as Cyclops, Storm, Jean Grey, Emma Frost, etc. what power level does Hope potentially posses? "
Well, let me put it this way. Hope Summers was the only mutant in X-Men: Second Coming who was capable of both lashing out and completely obliterating Bastion from existence. I don't even think that Magneto or Legion would have been able to defeat Bastion
#4 Posted by Skaddix (3114 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame:  Bastion did not impress. Legion could have done it. In fact several x-men at max should have been able to crush him if his nimrods were anything to judge by.
#5 Posted by Edamame (28160 posts) - - Show Bio
@Skaddix said:
" @Edamame:  Bastion did not impress. Legion could have done it. In fact several x-men at max should have been able to crush him if his nimrods were anything to judge by. "
That is interesting. I actually just made a Bastion vs Legion battle thread. Also, why do you think that Legion could defeat Bastion? Which other X-Men could have defeated Bastion?
#6 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@EmmaGrace said:
" In comparison to other heroes; such as Cyclops, Storm, Jean Grey, Emma Frost, etc. what power level does Hope potentially posses? "
Did some one say power level?
IT'S OVER --- 
 
No but seriously I'm telling you people she's Jean reborn! You'll see!
#7 Posted by Mercy_ (92704 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think she's Jean. I'm leaning towards Maddy for the time being. 

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#8 Posted by jordama (4225 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress:
Maybe rachel had a clone ;)
#9 Posted by Mercy_ (92704 posts) - - Show Bio
@jordama said:
" @The Dark Huntress: Maybe rachel had a clone ;) "
O_o 
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#10 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@jordama said:
" @The Dark Huntress: Maybe rachel had a clone ;) "
Knowing Marvel it's clones. It's always the damn clones.
#11 Posted by Mercy_ (92704 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCrowbar said:
" @jordama said:
" @The Dark Huntress: Maybe rachel had a clone ;) "
Knowing Marvel it's clones. It's always the damn clones. "
I hate the clones. V_V (Except for Laura, she's awesome). 
 
I just want her to be her own original character. 
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#12 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:
" @TheCrowbar said:
" @jordama said:
" @The Dark Huntress: Maybe rachel had a clone ;) "
Knowing Marvel it's clones. It's always the damn clones. "
I hate the clones. V_V (Except for Laura, she's awesome).  I just want her to be her own original character.  "
If it was a Maddy clone though, it would explain the Cyclops hate and her closeness to Cable(in an addition to the raising her thing)
#13 Posted by Mercy_ (92704 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCrowbar said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @TheCrowbar said:
" @jordama said:
" @The Dark Huntress: Maybe rachel had a clone ;) "
Knowing Marvel it's clones. It's always the damn clones. "
I hate the clones. V_V (Except for Laura, she's awesome).  I just want her to be her own original character.  "
If it was a Maddy clone though, it would explain the Cyclops hate and her closeness to Cable(in an addition to the raising her thing) "
I know. 
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#14 Posted by The Sadhu (853 posts) - - Show Bio

 
Hope is Jean and Madeline combined!

#15 Edited by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:

" @TheCrowbar said:

" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @TheCrowbar said:
" @jordama said:
" @The Dark Huntress: Maybe rachel had a clone ;) "
Knowing Marvel it's clones. It's always the damn clones. "
I hate the clones. V_V (Except for Laura, she's awesome).  I just want her to be her own original character.  "
If it was a Maddy clone though, it would explain the Cyclops hate and her closeness to Cable(in an addition to the raising her thing) "
I know.  "
It would solidify my theory we're in another 80's era of comics.
#16 Posted by Trodorne (2590 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Sadhu said:
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Hope is Jean and Madeline combined!

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Im going to have to agree to it. with the Peter Petrelli from heroes type of empathic power.
#17 Posted by Mercy_ (92704 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCrowbar said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:

" @TheCrowbar said:

" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @TheCrowbar said:
" @jordama said:
" @The Dark Huntress: Maybe rachel had a clone ;) "
Knowing Marvel it's clones. It's always the damn clones. "
I hate the clones. V_V (Except for Laura, she's awesome).  I just want her to be her own original character.  "
If it was a Maddy clone though, it would explain the Cyclops hate and her closeness to Cable(in an addition to the raising her thing) "
I know.  "
It would solidify my theory we're in another 80's era of comics. "
What with the recycling of crappy story lines because nobody's original enough to do something on their own?
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#18 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:
" @TheCrowbar said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:

" @TheCrowbar said:

" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @TheCrowbar said:
" @jordama said:
" @The Dark Huntress: Maybe rachel had a clone ;) "
Knowing Marvel it's clones. It's always the damn clones. "
I hate the clones. V_V (Except for Laura, she's awesome).  I just want her to be her own original character.  "
If it was a Maddy clone though, it would explain the Cyclops hate and her closeness to Cable(in an addition to the raising her thing) "
I know.  "
It would solidify my theory we're in another 80's era of comics. "
What with the recycling of crappy story lines because nobody's original enough to do something on their own? "
yes actually. DC is going through it more than Marvel though in my opinion. Marvel U seems more like it's going through seizures.
#19 Posted by Edamame (28160 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCrowbar said:
" @jordama said:
" @The Dark Huntress: Maybe rachel had a clone ;) "
Knowing Marvel it's clones. It's always the damn clones. "
I find it funny how Mr. Sinister is almost 100% culpable for most (if not all) of the existence of clones in X-Men comics.
#20 Posted by thatlad (594 posts) - - Show Bio

She has the potential to make me really not care, not one bit.   
 
They really need to be careful with her character, she's been forcefed to us a fair bit and there's been no real impetus for us to care about her character

#21 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@thatlad said:
" She has the potential to make me really not care, not one bit.    They really need to be careful with her character, she's been forcefed to us a fair bit and there's been no real impetus for us to care about her character "
She could get killed and motivate Scott back a more wholesome state?
#22 Posted by jordama (4225 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress:  &  @TheCrowbar:

I got the pm version of your discussion :l 
 
I don't think any relation to Maddie would effect Cyclops' opinion of her, partially BECAUSE HE WOULDN"T KNOW 
 
And I really don't see Cyclops hating Hope, Hope hated him, but I think they were able to move past it somewhat during the funeral and the anthology book where hegot the medal from steve. At this point he wants to control her because he doesn't want her hurt or killed becaus ethat would mean the end of the mutant race and Cyke, well wouldn't like that :P
#23 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@jordama said:
" @The Dark Huntress:  &  @TheCrowbar: I got the pm version of your discussion :l  I don't think any relation to Maddie would effect Cyclops' opinion of her, partially BECAUSE HE WOULDN"T KNOW  And I really don't see Cyclops hating Hope, Hope hated him, but I think they were able to move past it somewhat during the funeral and the anthology book where hegot the medal from steve. At this point he wants to control her because he doesn't want her hurt or killed becaus ethat would mean the end of the mutant race and Cyke, well wouldn't like that :P "
wait medal?
#24 Posted by jordama (4225 posts) - - Show Bio
#25 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@jordama said:
" @TheCrowbar: 
 
It happend here
 
 

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Yeah I remember he throws it out later right?
#26 Posted by jordama (4225 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCrowbar:
It happen during there conversation.  
 I don't have it in front of me but I remember Hope asking why he got and he said for saving lives. Bad move buddy.  
He throws it in the ocean and they seem better at the end of the conversation
#27 Posted by Mercy_ (92704 posts) - - Show Bio
@jordama:  @TheCrowbar:
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#28 Posted by jordama (4225 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress:
Thank you Miss Huntress 
 
And that is why I don't believe that either really hates the other.
#29 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:
" @jordama:  @TheCrowbar:
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yeah I remember flipping through that issue.
#30 Posted by Z3RO180 (6558 posts) - - Show Bio

is hope an empath. 
 
You the cool one were shes able to mimic other powers.
#31 Posted by DEGRAAF (7881 posts) - - Show Bio

so does she have all the powers of every member of the mutant race including the phoenix force ro does she mimic the mutants around her? From a recent comic against Juggernaut as part of the worthy, they claim she cant use her powers for very long. IT sounded more like she was a mimic rather than just having millions of different abilities. I try to follow but she doesnt seem to be using her TP or TK almost ever any more. 

Can someone help fill me in on her powers and abilities better than her CV page does?

#32 Edited by Carsonpratt (8 posts) - - Show Bio

@DEGRAAF Hope has telekinetic and telepathy, but yeah she doesn't use them much. But she can copy people's powers. It's like rogue but she doesn't have to touch them and they weaken the further she is from the mutant. And she can copy lots of powers at a time but makes her exhausted like fighting bastion. Hope that helps.

#33 Posted by Takao0815 (107 posts) - - Show Bio

@DEGRAAF:

Maybe that helps.

Powers

Cyclops Bastion

Armor Psionic exo-armor

Hope Summers is an omega level mutan born with the following powers:

Empathic Power Mimicry

Empathic Power Mimicry: The limits of this power have yet to be reached or determined. She does not need to physically touch her subjects (as with Rogue), nor does it appear as though her using an individual's powers subtracts at all from their own power level. It appears that Hope needs to be in close proximity to subjects to exhibit their powers,and that powers fade with distance from subject. The powers Hope has demonstrated so far include:

  • Power and Aura Absorption: from Rogue. She touched Rogue and survived without any damage and erased all of the previous memories and abilities Rogue had absorbed, including those of the Hecatomb. She also cured Rogue of the Strain 88 virus.
  • Telekinesis and Telepathy: from Cable. Using telekinesis, she was able to stop a bullet in midair, and she was able to sense Bishop's presence using telepathy. When she was finally reunited with her father, she again mimicked his telekinesis and upon contact with him may have briefly gain precognition.
  • Energy Absorption and Concussive Blasts: from Bishop. Absorbed and rechanneled a concussive blast at Bishop while he was hunting her.
  • Optic Blasts: from Cyclops. Exhibited once when Hope yelled at Cyclops for sending Cable into the future without a way back and again displayed it while battling BastiHope later displayed this power while furious with Evangeline Whedon in Cyclops' presence.
  • Organic Steel Transformation: from Colossus. Used while battling Bastion to punch through his torso.
  • Cryokinesis/Thermokinesis: from Iceman (or possibly Storm). Used while battling Bastion, to create a pillar of ice and temporarily freeze him.
  • Telekinetic creation of biological matter and ferrous material: from Kenji Uedo. Used in Tokyo when trying to save Kenji when his powers first manifest. This is also the first time Hope consciously used her mutant powers.

Pixie Transonic Rockslide Magneto Gentle Kuurth

  • Pixie Wings: from Pixie. Used while attempting to remove the helmet of Kuurth.
  • Inorganic Rock Form: from Rockslide. Used while attempting to remove the helmet of Kuurth.
  • Magnetic Field Manipulation: from Magneto. Used while attempting to remove the helmet of Kuurth.
  • Organic Diamond Form and Telepathy: from Emma Frost. Used to shield herself from mind control by Sinister, and later to communicated while Emma was trapped in her diamond form while battling the Sinister-controlled Dreaming Celestial.
  • Breathing Fire: from Shou-Lao. Used when fighting Cyclops. This is the first and (so far) only time Hope's been able to mimic the powers of a non-mutant. (although this was more due to her absorbing his power, which is the same as that of Iron Fist)
  • X-Ray Vision: from closet mutant in physics class. Accidentally used while at boarding school.
  • Luck Manipulation: from Domino. Used to find Cable.
  • X-Gene Stabilization: Thus far, all of the post-M-Day mutant activations have been wildly unstable. The only thing the seems to stabilize the new mutants powers is direct contact with Hope.

Influence: Hope has exhibited some subconscious low level of persuasion or manipulation over the post-M-Day new mutants.

#34 Edited by DEGRAAF (7881 posts) - - Show Bio

@Takao0815: @Carsonpratt: lol thanks

I wonder how the X-gene stabilizing works now or her influence over certain mutants

#35 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (3234 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_ said:

@jordama: @TheCrowbar:

i think scott needs that medal back now, i wonder if he could find it or maybe teen jean...lol

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#37 Posted by Catriona_Knightfall (987 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigbadwolfx0: That happened during AvX. That might've been issue 12.

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