Generation Hope Canceled

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#1 Edited by Baddamdog (2222 posts) - - Show Bio

James Asmus, writer of Generation Hope, has confirmed that Generation Hope will end at issue #17. Here's what he had to say:

Yes, the book is ending with issue #17. I will say (as I did a month ago) that these were the five issues I planned from the beginning. You can read all the old interviews where I promised to get to the betrayal, and I knew I had to do it before "Avengers vs. X-Men." The book was already under 20K copies when I took over, so while I figured there was a chance to tie into "AvX," the way the market and the event developed, a "Generation Hope" tie-in doesn't make sense.
That said, I have a ton of notes on stories I'd love to do with these kids in the future. So hopefully I'll get that chance. If you're interested, start that letter-writing campaign!

The news of the cancellation comes a day after Moon Knight was announced to be canceled as well a bundle of Marvel cancellations in the last few months, including X-23, Iron Man 2.0, Alpha Flight, Herc, Black Panther plus several mini series.

Is this an example of lack of faith, low sales or to compete with DC's 52 comic schedule?? What does everyone think? Surprised? Sad? Happy?

#2 Posted by Mercy_ (92085 posts) - - Show Bio

Not surprised. And frankly, I can't say that I'm overly disappointed. One more thing off my pull list. I just hope that they start developing her into a better personality elsewhere. Gillen did a freaking awesome job writing her in Regenesis and if I'm not mistaken, it was Asmus who wrote her in that issue of Uncanny, which was also a good representation of her.

Hope needs to move past the bratty, self-entitled and criminally careless and reckless attitude in order for her to have any sustainability. And dear god, I will literally burn my comics if they turn her into the next Jean Grey.

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#3 Posted by xerox_kitty (15760 posts) - - Show Bio

I think this makes it the second shortest lived X-Men 'next generation' title (after Young X-Men). I lament the U-turn decision to keep alpha Flight as a limited series (instead of transforming it into an ongoing), but I shan't miss this.

Nice cover though.

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#4 Posted by Baddamdog (2222 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Dark Huntress: Hmm I feel the same, something big's happening with her in AvX and something with the Phoenix Force, so the next Jean Grey may be round the corner...

#5 Posted by Baddamdog (2222 posts) - - Show Bio

@xerox_kitty: I miss New X-Men. Funny, I was considering making a blog about the state of the X-Men students yesterday, saying how they should be dealing with the students we grew to love in New X-Men rather then send them to the background and just create a bunch of new mutants to eventually just become wallpaper in the future (which WILL happen to the Generation Hope characters except for Hope and Idie).

#6 Posted by xerox_kitty (15760 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Dark Huntress said:

Hope needs to move past the bratty, self-entitled and criminally careless and reckless attitude in order for her to have any sustainability. And dear god, I will literally burn my comics if they turn her into the next Jean Grey.

Totally agreed... well, except for the pyrotechnics ;)

The formula of a x-teen team book doesn't include having their 'leader' turn into a selfish brat.

In those 17 issues, about a 3rd of the issues have been tie-ins to other titles/events. I also find it hard to believe that they planned to end on issue 17. No-one ends on 17! 10, 12, 20, even 25... Not something as random as 17. It smacks of desperation.

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#7 Posted by xerox_kitty (15760 posts) - - Show Bio

@Baddamdog: I wish I could confidently say "I'm sure they'll appear again soon", but only a select few of the Westchester students seem to get any panel time lately. But, being honest, I don't think it's an easy act to follow up New X-Men. Both Young X-Men and now Gen Hope are the only 2 'next gen' titles to have really failed in the X-Franchise. They're the only 2 'next gen' titles to have appeared after Kyle & Yost's New X-Men... in a way, they've continued to kill the x-youth of tomorrow, since no-one can repeat their success ;)

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#8 Edited by WildStyle (331 posts) - - Show Bio

Man, the X kids really can't catch a break. Young X-Men was legitimately bad so I wasn't sad to see it go. However, New X-Men was great. Generation Hope was solid but I'm not upset about the cancellation in the slightest.

Hope we can get a Utopia street team book out of this.

#9 Posted by Baddamdog (2222 posts) - - Show Bio

@WildStyle: yeah where's that 'street team' on Utopia consisting of Dazzler, Lifeguard and Boom-Boom training the X-kids?

#10 Edited by Dernman (14016 posts) - - Show Bio

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! 
 
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DERNRAGE!!!

#11 Posted by Mercy_ (92085 posts) - - Show Bio

@xerox_kitty said:

@The Dark Huntress said:

Hope needs to move past the bratty, self-entitled and criminally careless and reckless attitude in order for her to have any sustainability. And dear god, I will literally burn my comics if they turn her into the next Jean Grey.

The formula of a x-teen team book doesn't include having their 'leader' turn into a selfish brat.

Not even just selfish, but criminally reckless.

In the last arc, she sensed a 'new' mutant on the horizon and was able to pinpoint it after forcibly echoing the powers of the Stepford Cuckoos (she knew they were hiding something from her). So she goes off all gung ho and makes Pixie teleport the team to where she'd sensed the signature...which just so happened to be hostile territory in the Middle East and then ordered Pixie not to port them back, knowing full well how dangerous it was there for them. It was this recklessness that put the lives of her entire team in danger and also resulted in the smashing of No-Girl's glass case. Kenji gave her a body and she's now indebted to him because of it and we all know how stable he is eyeroll.

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#12 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5686 posts) - - Show Bio

So if Generation Hope is about to be canceled, how are they going to replace her series with another series for Cyclops' side in Regenesis?

#13 Posted by John Valentine (16270 posts) - - Show Bio

They should really cancel New Mutants too.

#14 Posted by maikkywin (100 posts) - - Show Bio

Thank god .

Now they can make a Deadpool centered X-man team with moonknight of course !

huehue

#15 Posted by PrinceIMC (5421 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait Hercules is cancelled too? How did I miss that?

#16 Posted by kicxka5s (9 posts) - - Show Bio

That sucks, hopefully Marvel will publish "Dazzler and the X-Kids" as a replacement.

#17 Posted by TheOptimist (713 posts) - - Show Bio

So we're down to 37 ongoing Marvel series...

9 X-Men books, 5 Avengers Books, 4 Spidey Books, 3 Cap Books, 3 Ultimate Books, 2 Thors, 2 Hulks, 2 FFs...

7 "others" including: Daredevil, Deadpool, Defenders, Punisher, Iron Man, Thunderbolts and Wolverine

Of all those books, just for fun, 16 were around last January, with the same name and numbering. 18 of the (current) remaining ongoings were launched within the past year. Thunderbolts is now the lowest selling Marvel ongoing title at #97 on the chart, with 21,167 units. Avengers Academy, Hulk, X-Factor and Punisher round out the bottom 5.

#18 Posted by WarMachineMarkV (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

- Based on the low sales and the poor quality of the title (IMO) I'm not the slightest bit shocked

#19 Posted by PrinceIMC (5421 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheOptimist said:

So we're down to 37 ongoing Marvel series...

9 X-Men books, 5 Avengers Books, 4 Spidey Books, 3 Cap Books, 3 Ultimate Books, 2 Thors, 2 Hulks, 2 FFs...

7 "others" including: Daredevil, Deadpool, Defenders, Punisher, Iron Man, Thunderbolts and Wolverine

Of all those books, just for fun, 16 were around last January, with the same name and numbering. 18 of the (current) remaining ongoings were launched within the past year. Thunderbolts is now the lowest selling Marvel ongoing title at #97 on the chart, with 21,167 units. Avengers Academy, Hulk, X-Factor and Punisher round out the bottom 5.

And your name is the Optimist.
#20 Posted by Daycrawler (550 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheOptimist said:

So we're down to 37 ongoing Marvel series...

9 X-Men books, 5 Avengers Books, 4 Spidey Books, 3 Cap Books, 3 Ultimate Books, 2 Thors, 2 Hulks, 2 FFs...

7 "others" including: Daredevil, Deadpool, Defenders, Punisher, Iron Man, Thunderbolts and Wolverine

Of all those books, just for fun, 16 were around last January, with the same name and numbering. 18 of the (current) remaining ongoings were launched within the past year. Thunderbolts is now the lowest selling Marvel ongoing title at #97 on the chart, with 21,167 units. Avengers Academy, Hulk, X-Factor and Punisher round out the bottom 5.

I will actually cry if they cancel X-Factor.

#21 Posted by Dernman (14016 posts) - - Show Bio
@Daycrawler said: 

I will actually cry if they cancel X-Factor.

They just might without Madrox
#22 Posted by WarMachineMarkV (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

@Daycrawler said:

@TheOptimist said:

So we're down to 37 ongoing Marvel series...

9 X-Men books, 5 Avengers Books, 4 Spidey Books, 3 Cap Books, 3 Ultimate Books, 2 Thors, 2 Hulks, 2 FFs...

7 "others" including: Daredevil, Deadpool, Defenders, Punisher, Iron Man, Thunderbolts and Wolverine

Of all those books, just for fun, 16 were around last January, with the same name and numbering. 18 of the (current) remaining ongoings were launched within the past year. Thunderbolts is now the lowest selling Marvel ongoing title at #97 on the chart, with 21,167 units. Avengers Academy, Hulk, X-Factor and Punisher round out the bottom 5.

I will actually cry if they cancel X-Factor.

- For all we know all the X-Books get redone again after AvX

- X-Factor has been left alone in its own corner for a long time now, with sales slipping they might decide to blow it, although I really hope not

- I like X-Factor and its a nice change of pace from your standard X-book

#23 Posted by TheOptimist (713 posts) - - Show Bio

@PrinceIMC: Heh, yes. Yes it is. Marvel has a tendency to drown my positivity, although the optimistic part of my nature is that I keep Hoping (pun intended) and even believing that things will improve.

@Daycrawler: Call me TheOptimist, but I don't see X-Factor getting cancelled. At least not until Peter David decides to move to something else. The sales are consistent, the reviews are solid, the rationale for cancellation just isn't there. The fact that it fills one of the bottom spaces is just good news for everything above it, IMO. Same even with Thunderbolts, which holds similar results. Academy has a pretty solid fan base, Rucka's Punisher is by many hailed as a masterpiece... I think that the bottom has now become the true new bottom, the likes of which will not fall out beneath. Anything that drops below them from this point may be at risk,but I'd say if that if those ones hold to their n consistency, they act as the bar of measurement.

#24 Posted by HotSauceCommittee (345 posts) - - Show Bio
@Daycrawler said:

I will actually cry if they cancel X-Factor.

#25 Posted by Baddamdog (2222 posts) - - Show Bio

Titles which have always had consistent sales have been said not to be in trouble. Even if the sales are low. This includes X-Factor and The Thunderbolts. Titles which start out high and then drop are usually cancelled, such was the case with X-23 and Moon Knight. Hulk titles are in a constant state of renumbering\relaunching, so I wouldn't be surprised if the current 'Hulk' title starring Red Hulk will get relaunched or just plain out cancelled. Also the only title doing well out of the recent 'Marvel Knight' title revivals (Ghost Rider, Moon Knight, Daredevil and Punisher) is Daredevil. The Nineties are long gone and Punisher really doesn't carry the same heat as it did back in the day. Despite the upcoming crossover with Spider-Man and Daredevil, I predict it won't be long before the Punisher is gone, which is sad because it's one of the only titles out of the Avengers\X-Men\Spider-Man related bracket. I also don't see 'Captain America and...' Series lasting long, fans don't like inconsistent titles, its basically a Captain America Team-Up series, and I really don't see the demand for that. I also think a clean up is needed for the other titles. Avenging Spider-Man is another 'team-up' title which isn't necessary, and although I hate to say it, X-Men and Astonishing X-Men aren't needed and even though I love the characters, New Mutants has dropped in quality since it started it either needs a complete new team and direction or to be cancelled.

#26 Posted by Dernman (14016 posts) - - Show Bio
Am I the only one who is upset that Gen Hope is gone?
#27 Edited by fodigg (6094 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Dark Huntress said:

Not surprised. And frankly, I can't say that I'm overly disappointed. One more thing off my pull list. I just hope that they start developing her into a better personality elsewhere. Gillen did a freaking awesome job writing her in Regenesis and if I'm not mistaken, it was Asmus who wrote her in that issue of Uncanny, which was also a good representation of her.

Hope needs to move past the bratty, self-entitled and criminally careless and reckless attitude in order for her to have any sustainability. And dear god, I will literally burn my comics if they turn her into the next Jean Grey.

Hope is kind of a crappy character. She's the output of "Cable + Jean Grey + Rogue" ability-wise and, as you observed, her personality doesn't exactly endear. I liked her better when she was a non-powered kid. That doesn't speak highly of the character.

She needs:

  • A defined power set instead of an undefined "grab-all" that doesn't even seem to have Rogue's limitations (or Mimic's).
  • A clear personal quest or goal that goes beyond the general "find new mutants" or "save all mutants;" she needs something she's clearly seeking and someone clearly opposing her.
  • A reason for us to like her. Right now she's the personality of Cyclops/Cable without the endearing qualities. And there are many who don't see any endearing qualities in Cyclops or Cable to begin with.

In the best possible outcome, the Phoenix will return along with Jean Grey, Hope will separate Grey from the Phoenix Force, then all the X-Men and Avengers will stop fighting and mother-flipping kill (like, forever kill) the Phoenix Force. The--I dunno--"feedback" from its death will effectively reset Grey and Hope with very basic forms of their original powers and grant them new "secondary mutations" that give them a unique hook (just like Emma Frost's diamond form gave her a unique hook). Then, finally, they will both walk away from the Phoenix forever and become new, more interesting characters.

#28 Edited by AgeofHurricane (7202 posts) - - Show Bio

@kicxka5s said:

That sucks, hopefully Marvel will publish "Dazzler and the X-Kids" as a replacement.

This.

Saw this coming right after Sebastian came on, sadly, this series was failing badly right after Regenesis.

#29 Posted by snyderman567 (152 posts) - - Show Bio
#30 Posted by Hawkeye446 (3940 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheOptimist said:

So we're down to 37 ongoing Marvel series...

9 X-Men books, 5 Avengers Books, 4 Spidey Books, 3 Cap Books, 3 Ultimate Books, 2 Thors, 2 Hulks, 2 FFs...

7 "others" including: Daredevil, Deadpool, Defenders, Punisher, Iron Man, Thunderbolts and Wolverine

Of all those books, just for fun, 16 were around last January, with the same name and numbering. 18 of the (current) remaining ongoings were launched within the past year. Thunderbolts is now the lowest selling Marvel ongoing title at #97 on the chart, with 21,167 units. Avengers Academy, Hulk, X-Factor and Punisher round out the bottom 5.

Nice numbers, that puts it all in an interesting light.

I didn't dislike Gen Hope, but this is not a shock nor a disappointment.

#31 Posted by Hawkeye446 (3940 posts) - - Show Bio

I wonder what the trade sales for X-Factor are? Anyone have those stats? Because something tells me they might be higher.

#32 Posted by redhood21 (759 posts) - - Show Bio

@Daycrawler said:

I will actually cry if they cancel X-Factor.

they cant!!!! im catching up with trades!!!

#33 Posted by fodigg (6094 posts) - - Show Bio

@AgeofHurricane said:

@kicxka5s said:

That sucks, hopefully Marvel will publish "Dazzler and the X-Kids" as a replacement.

This.

Saw this coming right after Sebastian came on, sadly, this series was failing badly right after Regenesis.

"Dazzler and the X-Kids" would be a great name for a band.

#34 Posted by Saren (24340 posts) - - Show Bio

It started out good and only worsened over time, so I really don't care.

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#35 Posted by butterflykyss (3908 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Dark Huntress said:

Not surprised. And frankly, I can't say that I'm overly disappointed. One more thing off my pull list. I just hope that they start developing her into a better personality elsewhere. Gillen did a freaking awesome job writing her in Regenesis and if I'm not mistaken, it was Asmus who wrote her in that issue of Uncanny, which was also a good representation of her.

Hope needs to move past the bratty, self-entitled and criminally careless and reckless attitude in order for her to have any sustainability. And dear god, I will literally burn my comics if they turn her into the next Jean Grey.

I totally agree.

#36 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7202 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@kicxka5s said:

That sucks, hopefully Marvel will publish "Dazzler and the X-Kids" as a replacement.

This.

Saw this coming right after Sebastian came on, sadly, this series was failing badly right after Regenesis.

"Dazzler and the X-Kids" would be a great name for a band.

No it wouldn't, that would be a crap name for a band.

#37 Posted by fodigg (6094 posts) - - Show Bio

@AgeofHurricane said:

@fodigg said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@kicxka5s said:

That sucks, hopefully Marvel will publish "Dazzler and the X-Kids" as a replacement.

This.

Saw this coming right after Sebastian came on, sadly, this series was failing badly right after Regenesis.

"Dazzler and the X-Kids" would be a great name for a band.

No it wouldn't, that would be a crap name for a band.

Well, not "Infinite Stairmaster of Doom" good, but good.

#38 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7202 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg: LOL.

#39 Posted by Daycrawler (550 posts) - - Show Bio

@redhood21 said:

@Daycrawler said:

I will actually cry if they cancel X-Factor.

they cant!!!! im catching up with trades!!!

Yeah, me too. Started reading the X-Factor last year and decided to catch up and buy the trades. X-Factor is too awesome to cancel. I can't understand why it doesn't have more readers!

#40 Posted by Daycrawler (550 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheOptimist said:

@PrinceIMC: Heh, yes. Yes it is. Marvel has a tendency to drown my positivity, although the optimistic part of my nature is that I keep Hoping (pun intended) and even believing that things will improve.

@Daycrawler: Call me TheOptimist, but I don't see X-Factor getting cancelled. At least not until Peter David decides to move to something else. The sales are consistent, the reviews are solid, the rationale for cancellation just isn't there. The fact that it fills one of the bottom spaces is just good news for everything above it, IMO. Same even with Thunderbolts, which holds similar results. Academy has a pretty solid fan base, Rucka's Punisher is by many hailed as a masterpiece... I think that the bottom has now become the true new bottom, the likes of which will not fall out beneath. Anything that drops below them from this point may be at risk,but I'd say if that if those ones hold to their n consistency, they act as the bar of measurement.

I'm gonna be optimistic too then. The bottom's where it's at!

#41 Edited by LadyHarley (50 posts) - - Show Bio

Hope seems like an alright character when she's not written in Generation Hope. Last issue of Uncanny she made a flirty comment to Namor while in Gen Hope she is not the flirty type. She can be a brat sometimes. I was reading Gen Hope, waiting for that clear defining moment when Hope becomes a character I'll love. That didn't happen. She had her moments when was obviously Cable's "daughter", but Gen Hope really didn't do anything for me.

I would probably read anything with Boom Boom or Dazzler. Tab has always been one of my favourite characters.

#42 Posted by SC (11962 posts) - - Show Bio

Awwwh

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#43 Posted by The Impersonator (4311 posts) - - Show Bio
#44 Posted by Orttodrog (168 posts) - - Show Bio

Man this sucks an just as i was really getting back into this, I love Shaw an i hope they keep the team together in other titles an show off all of these characters.

I love the idea that Shaw is now a member of her team an I hope it stays even after the Cancellation

#45 Posted by redhood21 (759 posts) - - Show Bio

@Daycrawler said:

@redhood21 said:

@Daycrawler said:

I will actually cry if they cancel X-Factor.

they cant!!!! im catching up with trades!!!

Yeah, me too. Started reading the X-Factor last year and decided to catch up and buy the trades. X-Factor is too awesome to cancel. I can't understand why it doesn't have more readers!

i think it really flies under the radar. i love x-men and i had no idea there was an ongoing x-factor post 90's and i had no idea it was so good. i put the word out to my friends, but i dunno if trade sales will help save the series :(

#46 Posted by kicxka5s (9 posts) - - Show Bio

@AgeofHurricane: "you can get with this or you can get with that. you can with this 'cuz this is where it's at!"

#47 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7202 posts) - - Show Bio

I just lost interest in this series after Idie left, she was the only reason i read it TBH. Hopefully Dazzler and The X-Kids does come into action.

#48 Posted by Baddamdog (2222 posts) - - Show Bio

Imagine if the did introduced a title called 'Dazzler and the X-Kids', that would be so epic

#49 Posted by DEGRAAF (7811 posts) - - Show Bio

i actually liked this comic. I am glad that is is one less comic i am going to shell money out for but i do think it sucks that you know these characters will most likely disappear. I think most of these characters are rather interesting (besides Teon). I can understand Hope acting the way she does but i know it cant stay that way she will have to die or emotionally mature and change. She seems to becoming more controlling and self righteous.

#50 Posted by DEGRAAF (7811 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Hulk should have been cancelled after he started helping out the Avengers. If they want to give a Hulk a comic that isnt Bruce Banner they should give it to Skaar

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