Is Hercules the original Superhero?

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#51 Posted by PowerHerc (83251 posts) - - Show Bio
@SC said:
"Yes, in the fun sense that is also overlaid with some reasonable historic truth. There may have been earlier heroes, but not of them were super like Hercules, and when I say super like Hercules, he gets that added quality, because I am half sure Herc had the first "Respect thread" carved on some stone wall out there reflecting on his many various awesome feats. Gilgamesh Pfft, one or two one shots, but no ongoing. Disqualified. ^_^ "

Agreed.  Well thought out. Nice post.
#52 Posted by PowerHerc (83251 posts) - - Show Bio

Whether he's considered the original superhero or not, there's really no question about one thing;  Hercules is the original strong-man.
#53 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc: True that, he was one of the 3 people that made Superman, well inspired to create Superman...Did I wrote that correct?
#54 Posted by PowerHerc (83251 posts) - - Show Bio
@Primmaster64:
Yes sir, you sure did. 
 
The three were Moses, Hercules and Buck Rogers.
#55 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc: Thank you sir!
 
So in a way if there wasen't a Hercules, there would be no Superman.
#56 Posted by PowerHerc (83251 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a distinct possibility.   
 
Some might say Seigel and Shuster could still have been influenced by another strong-man from myth, legend, lore or religion; but it would be hard to find one who was not inspired by Hercules as well. 
 
By the way, I forgot to mention another character who was an influence for Superman; Doc Savage.  Superman's creators totally pilfered the name "Clark" from Doc Savage.
#57 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc: I think its Herc and I will leave it like that :D
#58 Posted by PowerHerc (83251 posts) - - Show Bio
@Primmaster64:
Sure, let's leave it .  
 
I like that idea of the greatest ancient hero and strong-man was (at least partially) the inspiration for the greatest modern hero and strong-man.
#59 Posted by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio

  I think that all the epic tales from Greek Mythology are the origins for our superheroes.  Achilles is an anti-hero if you ask me.  Odysseus is a hero, and so on, and so on.  The epic tales of Greek mythology seem to be the origin for most superheroes. 

#60 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc: :D
 
@Amegashita:
SHAZAM
#61 Posted by PowerHerc (83251 posts) - - Show Bio
@Amegashita said:
"  I think that all the epic tales from Greek Mythology are the origins for our superheroes.  Achilles is an anti-hero if you ask me.  Odysseus is a hero, and so on, and so on.  The epic tales of Greek mythology seem to be the origin for most superheroes.  "

I agree.   I believe many superheroes, heroes and legendary figures can trace their origins back to Greco-Roman Mythology.
#62 Posted by mewmdude77 (993 posts) - - Show Bio

Gilgamesh is the original superhero! Seeing as he is Babylonian, two thirds god, one third demigod, built the walls of his city by himself, defeated a giant man monster, resisted the charms of the love goddess, traveled through the Babylonian underworld, defeated two giant lions, finds the person who survived the flood, got the plant of immortality, and ruled justly and such for a long time! He definitely is the first super hero!!!

#63 Posted by mewmdude77 (993 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, Gilgamesh was 2500 BC while Heracles( the greek name of Hercules just so all ya'll know( Heracles is older than Hercules)) is 1257 BC. Perseus is older than than Heracles. Rome is younger than Greece. Greece is younger than Egypt. Egypt is younger than Babylon. If you add religion in there Hinduism is younger than Babylon and Egypt. Judaism is younger than Hinduism but older than Greece. Buddhism is younger than Greece but older than Rome.  Christianity (catholisism) is younger than Rome. Islam is younger than Christianity(Cath) but older than Prot. Christianity. 

#64 Posted by Z3RO180 (6449 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc:
When i was a little kid i loved greek mythology and still do to this day and well yea no matter what you look at herc is and always will be the first super hero ever in history.
#65 Posted by PowerHerc (83251 posts) - - Show Bio
@Z3RO180 said:
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                    @PowerHerc: When i was a little kid i loved greek mythology and still do to this day and well yea no matter what you look at herc is and always will be the first super hero ever in history.

                   

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Same here, bro! 

 

I've been reading about mythology since I first learned how, and that's about as long as I've been reading comics, too! 

Glad to see you consider Hercules the first superhero.  Herc just never seems to get his due.  Thanks.

#66 Posted by Z3RO180 (6449 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc:
no problem
#67 Posted by PowerHerc (83251 posts) - - Show Bio

@mewmdude77: Gilgamesh and Perseus do predate Hercules but neither are household names or recognizable superheroes today. Also; neither have inspired creators to create new superheroes based on them (to my knowledge).

Hercules is represented classical mythology and modern comics, cartoons, movies and tv shows produced by Marvel, DC, Image, Filmation, Charlton, Disney, etc. Gilgamesh and Perseus; barely mentioned and obscure rather than popular. Hercules is synonymous with strength and is known in every major country/culture in the world.

Those two were impressive characters with impressive feats, but neither bridged the gap between ancient and modern times with any significant presence. Hercules has.

#68 Posted by mewmdude77 (993 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc: The reason Hercules is more popular is because he was a bit of a buffoon. Plain and simple

#69 Posted by PowerHerc (83251 posts) - - Show Bio

@mewmdude77: Really?

#70 Posted by PowerHerc (83251 posts) - - Show Bio

@protect_yourself said:

@PowerHerc: people have said hercules is the strongest hero there ever was. I still don't know about that though,i've seen superman show way more strength feats than hercs.

Going back to roughly 1500 years B.C., when the legend/myth of Hercules started, Hercules has come to be known around the world in many, many cultures as the standard for physical strength. His name is synonymous strength. Superman has only been around for 73 years now and even though he is known for his strength worldwide, too, he's just as well known for his invulnerability, his speed and for flight.

Taking these factors into account, I can see why some people have stated Hercules is the strongest hero ever. I agree with you, however; Superman is stronger than Hercules.

#71 Posted by Charlie_Jade (523 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambler said:

Didnt he murder his wife and kids?

sounds like a case of Superdickery

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#72 Posted by LeeSensei (385 posts) - - Show Bio

hercules wasnt really a buffoon in the myths, but he was a super sick.

#73 Edited by seekquaze (611 posts) - - Show Bio

Taking a second look at this thread:

1. Gilgamesh predates Hercules making him the first superhero in both modern and ancient definitions. HOWEVER, Hercules is too ancient heroes what Superman, Dracula, and Sherlock Holmes are to there respective genres. Dupin predated Holmes and someone else predated Dracula. Yet when you say vampire or great detective who is the first to come to mind? Exactly. Herc is the quintessential ancient hero and primary source of inspiration for many modern heroes ranging from Conan to He-Man. Any other hero's accomplishments pale in comparison. The only two who come the closest (but still far away) are Theseus and Odysseus. The former for sheer number of deeds and the latter for a combination of deeds, intelligence, and being pure mortal.

Oh, and Zeus's actions during the Titanomachy make Zeus a hero at the time. He saved his brothers and sisters from evil Cronus which was morally right (modern) and earned him great glory (ancient). He was arguable better than Cronus in he did not totally oppress his children or other immortals. Some might say mankind was better under Zeus since the trade off was a carefree life for civilization.

2. Perseus is Hercules' grandfather or great-grandfather. In a way the most heroic of the Greek heroes in the sense of morally upstanding. But is has always bothered me the sheer amount of help he received from the gods. Whereas most other heroes were the son of a god and were given some divine advice or weapon he got the mother load with a divine shield, sword, Hermes' sandals and Hades' helmet. He then killed Medusa IN HER SLEEP and some sources say with Athena guiding his hand. Medusa's head guaranteed him victory in future struggle. He had the easiest time of all the Greek heroes. How could anyone with that much help fail? The movies and several retelling have to cut down the amount of help he receives to keep it from being boring.

3. Quick sort of correction on the death of Herc's music teacher I only learned recently. Apparently, Herc legally was acquitted on the grounds Linus physically attacked Hercules and Hercules was justified in defending himself. Being sent to the country was a way to keep Hercules out of trouble. So it sort of was still a punishment.

#74 Posted by PowerHerc (83251 posts) - - Show Bio

There is room for debate but considering his feats, deeds, accomplishments, rewards and (perhaps most importantly) his recurring impact on the average person's idea of what a hero is and his influence upon the creation of a multitude of heroes, it is clear that Hercules is the Original Superhero!

None of the other Greek heroes can match his resume, let alone surpass it. No other ancient hero (including Gilgamesh, Thor, Cuchulainn, Beowulf or Samson) can either.

#75 Posted by koshi_waza88 (1368 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Hercules dose deserve the respect as an ancient hero who stories may very well of indirectly caused the creation of superman and modern superheros he is the first man who was more than a man and I find it disappointing that marvel and dc do not hold him as the highest symbol of physical strength in both universes....

#76 Posted by PowerHerc (83251 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Hercules dose deserve the respect as an ancient hero who stories may very well of indirectly caused the creation of superman and modern superheros he is the first man who was more than a man and I find it disappointing that marvel and dc do not hold him as the highest symbol of physical strength in both universes....

I like the thought of that.

#77 Posted by Herokiller12344 (999 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, those feats do sound like a regular Superman.

#78 Edited by kasino (1783 posts) - - Show Bio

not it isn't the oldest religion or the oldest tale of supernatural heroics

#79 Edited by DwightSpitz (567 posts) - - Show Bio

No thats Catcher Freeman

#80 Posted by PowerHerc (83251 posts) - - Show Bio

Hercules definitely pre-dates Catcher Freeman.

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