In what way is Hercules better than Thor?

#201 Posted by RightScar (313 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc said:
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Okay.  The one I have is the OHOTMU: A-Z, HC vol.12 (2009).  Either way, mine or yours, Thor is still subject to aging.

                   

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And the fact remains Hercules only has better longevity than Thor..not better stamina.

                   

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The fact is:  You're statement is half right (Longgevity) and half (at this point) hopelessly inaccurate (stamina). "
No my statement is right period.


@PowerHerc said:

And when the millenia go by and the effects of the apples wear off, then, technically, Thor will begin to age and weaken.  Thus I'm still right and you're still wrong.

It's not that I can't detach longevity and stamina.  It's that, in this case, they shouldn't be because they're relationship is a factor when two characters can fight as long as these two can.

It's too bad you're getting sad, though.  I hope you cheer up soon.

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It is that you can't detach longevity and stamina because if someone asked you what Thor's stamina was they are asking how long he can perform at his peak without tiring...not how long he can go without tiring thousands of years from now.
Getting sad? Don't be ridiculous.
#202 Posted by PowerHerc (83241 posts) - - Show Bio
@RightScar said:
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Okay.  The one I have is the OHOTMU: A-Z, HC vol.12 (2009).  Either way, mine or yours, Thor is still subject to aging.

                   

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And the fact remains Hercules only has better longevity than Thor..not better stamina.

                   

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The fact is:  You're statement is half right (Longgevity) and half (at this point) hopelessly inaccurate (stamina).

                   

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No my statement is right period.


@PowerHerc said:

And when the millenia go by and the effects of the apples wear off, then, technically, Thor will begin to age and weaken.  Thus I'm still right and you're still wrong.

It's not that I can't detach longevity and stamina.  It's that, in this case, they shouldn't be because they're relationship is a factor when two characters can fight as long as these two can.

It's too bad you're getting sad, though.  I hope you cheer up soon.



                   

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It is that you can't detach longevity and stamina because if someone asked you what Thor's stamina was they are asking how long he can perform at his peak without tiring...not how long he can go without tiring thousands of years from now.
Getting sad? Don't be ridiculous.


                   

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Yes, how long someone can perform at his peak without tiring.  After potentially fighting at peak levels for several thousand years; that's where age becomes the deciding factor.

 

Who's ridiculous?  You said this was making you sad.  Touchy much?

#203 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc: As is Herc 
#204 Posted by PowerHerc (83241 posts) - - Show Bio
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                    @PowerHerc: As is Herc 

                   

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Agreed. :D
#205 Posted by RightScar (313 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc said:

Yes, how long someone can perform at his peak without tiring.  After potentially fighting at peak levels for several thousand years; that's where age becomes the deciding factor.

 

Who's ridiculous?  You said this was making you sad.  Touchy much?

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 You know what stamina means and you know what longevity means.You are only mixing the two for to try and pretend Hercules is better than Thor in a way he actually isn't.I didn't say that you were making me sad I said your responses were getting sad at this point.It's a clear sign of desperation.
#206 Posted by PowerHerc (83241 posts) - - Show Bio
@RightScar said:
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Yes, how long someone can perform at his peak without tiring.  After potentially fighting at peak levels for several thousand years; that's where age becomes the deciding factor.

 

Who's ridiculous?  You said this was making you sad.  Touchy much?



                   

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 You know what stamina means and you know what longevity means.You are only mixing the two for to try and pretend Hercules is better than Thor in a way he actually isn't.I didn't say that you were making me sad I said your responses were getting sad at this point.It's a clear sign of desperation.

                   

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Clearly your backpeddling on the subject of your sadness shows your desperation.  Not to mention your inability to see how one abiltiy/attribute ties into another.  Get help.  Soon.
#207 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

Unfortunately neither will ever be as awesome as this guy 

#208 Posted by PowerHerc (83241 posts) - - Show Bio


@joshmightbe:
Lol.  You're a good person.

 



 






 

#209 Posted by RightScar (313 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc said:
Clearly your backpeddling on the subject of your sadness shows your desperation.  Not to mention your inability to see how one abiltiy/attribute ties into another.  Get help.  Soon. "
Clearly you're trying to get under my skin by saying the exact opposite of what's actually going on.I'm bored with you.I'm done.If you want to pretend Hercules has better stamina go ahead.I don't care.
#210 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

The Tick- bringing peace through insanity since 1986

#211 Posted by PowerHerc (83241 posts) - - Show Bio
@RightScar said:
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Clearly your backpeddling on the subject of your sadness shows your desperation.  Not to mention your inability to see how one abiltiy/attribute ties into another.  Get help.  Soon.

                   

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Clearly you're trying to get under my skin by saying the exact opposite of what's actually going on.I'm bored with you.I'm done.If you want to pretend Hercules has better stamina go ahead.I don't care.

                   

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No pretense on my part but thanks for not caring. 
#212 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor is better than Herc in pretty much every way.

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#213 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro: I'm fairly sure that Herc could drink Thor under the table
#214 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe said:
" @Vance Astro: I'm fairly sure that Herc could drink Thor under the table "
Shouldn't be able to.Thor is immune to most things..doesn't make sense that he can even get drunk.
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#215 Posted by Aiden Cross (15562 posts) - - Show Bio

Humor

#216 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro: Asgardian  Mead and Olympian wine are far stronger than our feeble earth beverages  
#217 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe said:
" @Vance Astro: Asgardian  Mead and Olympian wine are far stronger than our feeble earth beverages   "
I wouldn't know..I'm black :P
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#218 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro: I'm just assuming if they're strong enough to get gods drunk they'd probably instantly destroy mortal livers 
#219 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe said:
" @Vance Astro: I'm just assuming if they're strong enough to get gods drunk they'd probably instantly destroy mortal livers  "
I guess that's what happens when you get trashed on another plane of existence.
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#220 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro: We mere mortals are just not equipped to party with Volstagg  
#221 Posted by PowerHerc (83241 posts) - - Show Bio
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                    @Vance Astro: I'm fairly sure that Herc could drink Thor under the table

                   

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Agreed.
#222 Posted by ThaMessenger07 (1779 posts) - - Show Bio
@seekquaze:  To me Thor is a God that belongs in the Cosmic world with little place on earth. Hercules is the God that can defend the planet from cosmic forces and go back and forth between The Realm of Olympus and Earth. At the end of the day Thor's Raw power would make him at home in the cosmos defending galaxies and doing battles with heralds and abstracts. Hercules should be the Earths Champion.


#223 Posted by seekquaze (611 posts) - - Show Bio
@ThaMessenger07:
I can see where you are coming from, but I think Hercules is in a way lacking.  Hercules has brute strength and that is it.  Against many of the threats that put Earth in danger Hercules's brute strength is not enough to save the day at least without massive amounts of casualties on his own side.  Thor's ability to teleport, manipulate energy, and cause damage on a massive scale make him too powerful for most Earth foes, but make him far better equipped to battle the cosmic forces and alien invasions that threaten Earth than Hercules. 

Hercules is great for pretty much any Earth threat or even most mythological ones, but the higher up ones make him ill-quipped.  If he can't put his hands on it or jump to it he can't do a thing about it.  Thor does not suffer from those disadvantages.  Hercules may be more "human" in a way and better to be Earth's champion against Earthly threats.  Thor is needed to defend Earth from cosmic threats.
#224 Edited by ThaMessenger07 (1779 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:

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" @Vance Astro: Asgardian  Mead and Olympian wine are far stronger than our feeble earth beverages   "
I wouldn't know..I'm black :P "
Greatest Response ever lmao!

@seekquaze:
I agree. I feel Hercules should have the Goku factor. Overcome the odds and give the fight of his life, all while maintaining a sense of humor and an easy going personality. When the battle becomes more then what a well placed punch can take car of, Thor comes into the Picture. I just enjoy Hercules taking Heroic lead and I love seeing Thor Throw Giant Swords through a Giant Cosmic Beings Chest lol
#225 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38849 posts) - - Show Bio
@ThaMessenger07 said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @joshmightbe said:
" @Vance Astro: Asgardian  Mead and Olympian wine are far stronger than our feeble earth beverages   "
I wouldn't know..I'm black :P "
Greatest Response ever lmao! "
lol
#226 Edited by PowerHerc (83241 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThaMessenger07 said:

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@Vance Astro: Asgardian Mead and Olympian wine are far stronger than our feeble earth beverages



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Greatest Response ever lmao!

@seekquaze: I agree. I feel Hercules should have the Goku factor. Overcome the odds and give the fight of his life, all while maintaining a sense of humor and an easy going personality. When the battle becomes more then what a well placed punch can take car of, Thor comes into the Picture. I just enjoy Hercules taking Heroic lead and I love seeing Thor Throw Giant Swords through a Giant Cosmic Beings Chest lol



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So; Herc happily does the punching and (if/when needed) Thor uses his overall superior power to defeat threats that are beyond the physical level, huh? Sounds good to me.

#227 Posted by ThaMessenger07 (1779 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc: Exactly!
#228 Posted by FuriousWeasel (89 posts) - - Show Bio

@Colt Python XVII said:

@P90 said:
" @RightScar: Actually he is, Herc is physically stronger (Pure lifting strength) and has more stamina than Thor and he is a better fighter. (pure H2H) Think about it, Thor has the memories and experience of about a thousand years whereas not only does Herc have over three thousand years of experience he was already once of Earth's greatest combatants back then, he is even credited with the creation of pankration from which all modern wrestling and mixed combat styles trace their origin. Hercules should be one of the greats of the MU but Marvel rarely uses him at his full potential. "
None of this is true either
Actually it's all true.
#229 Posted by x_29 (2274 posts) - - Show Bio

He is not.

#230 Posted by cmartin (345 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc said:

The ways in which Hercules is better than Thor:

1. Strength - Herc is stronger, but not by a lot.

2. Fighting skill - Herc is a better hand-to-hand fighter. Thor even admitted this.

3. Durablity & Stamina - Hercules is a true immortal; he never ages/weakens with the passage of time. Thor will/does.

4. Charm - Herc gets more chicks than anyone in the MU. Including Thor.

no

that comic is just one thor herc fight....

thor has beat the crap out of herc hand to hand before

#231 Posted by cmartin (345 posts) - - Show Bio

i remember this clash thor beat hercules hand to hand putting him at his fathers feet as seen above

#232 Posted by LeeSensei (385 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor didn't beat Hercules there. He was standing up again about 2 panels later.

#233 Posted by cmartin (345 posts) - - Show Bio

he ddid beat him the find ended with with hercules sitting on the ground while zeus spoke to thor

thor won that fight

#234 Posted by cmartin (345 posts) - - Show Bio

@LeeSensei said:

Thor didn't beat Hercules there. He was standing up again about 2 panels later.

if you look at the scan right page thor put him down and was coming to finish it zeus then shouts HOLD hercules is still sitting on the floor...

thor won

#235 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17918 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc said:

The ways in which Hercules is better than Thor:

1. Strength - Herc is stronger, but not by a lot.

2. Fighting skill - Herc is a better hand-to-hand fighter. Thor even admitted this.

3. Durablity & Stamina - Hercules is a true immortal; he never ages/weakens with the passage of time. Thor will/does.

4. Charm - Herc gets more chicks than anyone in the MU. Including Thor.

Hercules : the pimp of the marvel universe :D

#236 Posted by SoA (4776 posts) - - Show Bio

in what way is Hercules better than Thor ? EVERYWAY

#237 Posted by allthatsgeek (127 posts) - - Show Bio

Swag.

Hercules trumps Thor in swag.

#238 Posted by PowerHerc (83241 posts) - - Show Bio

@allthatsgeek said:

Swag.

Hercules trumps Thor in swag.

Specifically, what swag?

#239 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

Herc is just way more fun to read about than Thor in my opinion.

#240 Posted by PowerHerc (83241 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blood1991 said:

Herc is just way more fun to read about than Thor in my opinion.

True.

#241 Posted by LeeSensei (385 posts) - - Show Bio

@cmartin said:

he ddid beat him the find ended with with hercules sitting on the ground while zeus spoke to thor

thor won that fight

Nope, you're wrong. He got up like, a panel later. Thor didn't win that fight.

#242 Posted by PowerHerc (83241 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:


They both know what is best in life

True, so true. Lol.

#243 Posted by StMichalofWilson (3757 posts) - - Show Bio

Hercules has done incredible labors

#244 Edited by JJ62 (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

Ways that Herc is better than Thor: #1 Strength, VERY slight, but I also heard of a time where Thor claims that Herc has the edge in strength. #2 Immortality, Herc is truly immortal. Olympians are truly immortal while Asgardians just have super longevity. #3 Skill, Thor himself said Herc was better. #4 Chicks, he gets more of e'm. #5 Personality, funnier and more of a happy guy than Thor. #6 Drinking, Herc is second to none in this department. #7 Beard, Thor grew a beard later on but it's still got nothin on Herc's beard.

#245 Posted by JJ62 (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm rather new to Hercules, but I've been getting into some of his older comics. And the dude rocks, he's becoming one of my favorites.

#246 Posted by seekquaze (611 posts) - - Show Bio

@JJ62 said:

Ways that Herc is better than Thor: #1 Strength, VERY slight, but I also heard of a time where Thor claims that Herc has the edge in strength. #2 Immortality, Herc is truly immortal. Olympians are truly immortal while Asgardians just have super longevity. #3 Skill, Thor himself said Herc was better. #4 Chicks, he gets more of e'm. #5 Personality, funnier and more of a happy guy than Thor. #6 Drinking, Herc is second to none in this department. #7 Beard, Thor grew a beard later on but it's still got nothin on Herc's beard.

Could you possible remember the story where Thor mentioned that. PowerHerc, the most knowledgeable Hercules guy I know only cited the handbook which is dubious due to the source. Olympians are often called truly immortal, but I'm not sure if that matters. Asgardians' live so long it does not seem to make much of a difference. Thor did admit Hercules is SLIGHTLY better at unarmed combat. I agree with the rest.

One thing I would say Hercules seems to have over Thor is durability and a bit of a healing factor. This may be linked to their immortality, but Herc seems to get hurt a bit less than Thor and Olympians have established better healing factors.

#247 Edited by JJ62 (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@seekquaze as I said I only HEARD of the claim that Thor states Herc is stronger, I've never heard him say so in comics. But according to others that I have talked to, Thor once said "Hercules has the edge in strength" and then those guys who said it claimed that it came from a battle that happened before Blood Oath. I've never read an issue where Thor says Herc is stronger but supposedly it has happened. But I still think Herc is stronger even if we just look at feats. Thor's greatest feat of strength was lifting Midgard Serpent, which could wrap around the Earth but it wasn't as dense as the Earth so it couldn't be as heavy. Hercules lifted the {frick}ing sky, I know, I know the sky isn't a feasible object but hey...neither is a black hole and that's a Superman feat everyone talks about. But these are comics, so actual science isn't always the biggest factor, but if the sky was a feasible object like it was portrayed when he lifted it. It must be as heavier than Earth and probably heavier than multiple planets...so I think Herc is stronger, not by a massive margin or anything but I do think so based off feats.

#248 Posted by seekquaze (611 posts) - - Show Bio

Thinking about it two things that make Hercules better than Thor story wise are:

1. He is not as powerful as Thor.

Hercules can fit perfectly in with mythological or cosmic stories, but does not suffer Thor's problem of overwhelming power. It is easier to write stories for Hercules. Thor suffers from either having to hold back or fight stupidly in order to create suspense in many of his fights. Hercules can fit in to a wider range of stories without being dumbed down. This portrays Hercules better as writers do not have to write Hercules as stupid as often compared to Thor.

2. Herc's god family are all jerks.

If Thor is ever in trouble help is a teleport a way. Sif, the Warriors Three, and heck all of Asgard would probable drop what they are doing to come to the Son of Odin's aid. Yeah, they are not as powerful as he is but they are enough that they can turn the tide at times. If worse comes to worse Thor can recruit Beta Ray Bill or Hercules himself. Older Thor stories suffered the problem of Odin always checking in on his son. If Thor were ever in series danger daddy could teleport him back to Asgard or step in. Since Odin was supposed to be a caring deity Thor may have been able to ask father for help against a threat Earth's heroes could not handle. I don't recall Thor ever doing this, but the possibility is always there. None of the Asgardians Thor personally knows would ever turn their back on someone who needed their help if it was brought to their attention.

Hercules cannot say the same. If Herc were ever in serious trouble he would have better luck going to the Asgardians for help. If Herc is in a situation where he does need help yet the writer does not want him to get it it is easy enough to write him as unable to get it. He cannot teleport. The Olympians can be written off as jerks who do not care about mortals dying. Herc's pride at times may prevent him from going to the Asgardians. Zeus care about his son, but is more likely to teleport him away from a dangerous situation then step in himself.

#249 Edited by PowerHerc (83241 posts) - - Show Bio

@seekquaze: A great example of a time when Hercules needed help was in "Thor" #126-130 when Hercules had been tricked into signing an Olympian contract" by Pluto.

The terms of the contract would force Hercules to become the Lord of Hades in Pluto's place unless he could find someone to take his place or fight Pluto and his hordes for Hercules' freedom. Hercules went to Olympus to find help but Zeus told him he couldn't help him and Ares told him he wouldn't help him. It was Thor (an Asgardian), however, whom came to Hercules' defense and he did so despite the fact that Hercules had very recently defeated him in battle. This was the arc that established the friendship of Hercules and Thor.

#250 Posted by batmannflash (6214 posts) - - Show Bio

Hercules is just cooler, plain and simple. Plus, he's funny. Amadeus Cho said: "He [Hercules] is like the Hulk, except with better jokes!"

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