X-Force 13 appearance- bad news?

#1 Edited by k2 (473 posts) - - Show Bio

Hi,

According to this website--->  http://www.webuploads.co.uk/xforce/extras.htm

" Title: Prelude To War
Issue No: 13
Issue Rating: Parental Advisory
Sale Date: March 18, 2009
Writer: Chris Yost & Craig Kyle
Artist: Clayton Crain
This Issue:
The Leper Queen is creating weapons out of mutants, and using them against humanity to stir the fires of hate against mutants. But as X-Force tracks her down, they don’t realize how close to home she’s struck. Cyclops prepares to send X-Force on the mission of their lives... whether they like it or not. Do not miss this ending, leading directly into Messiah War"

It's been confirmed by Chris Yost that Hellion is appearing in this issue. Oh noes. I think I see what might be coming :( 

Really hope they don't screw him up too much.

#2 Posted by Wildstar (1012 posts) - - Show Bio

Screw him up for all I care. Just let Archangel kill him in the end. lol

#3 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio
k2 said:
"Hi,

According to this website--->  http://www.webuploads.co.uk/xforce/extras.htm

" Title: Prelude To War
Issue No: 13
Issue Rating: Parental Advisory
Sale Date: March 18, 2009
Writer: Chris Yost & Craig Kyle
Artist: Clayton Crain
This Issue:
The Leper Queen is creating weapons out of mutants, and using them against humanity to stir the fires of hate against mutants. But as X-Force tracks her down, they don’t realize how close to home she’s struck. Cyclops prepares to send X-Force on the mission of their lives... whether they like it or not. Do not miss this ending, leading directly into Messiah War"

It's been confirmed by Chris Yost that Hellion is appearing in this issue. Oh noes. I think I see what might be coming :( 

Really hope they don't screw him up too much."
Hmmmmmmmmm....................
Kyle and Yost put so much time into developing Hellion: I cannot see why they would want to kill him off. Plus, he's aleady nearly died before so it's not exactly new.
In addition, X-Force have Elixir on the team, ressurection or the healing of grave injuries is entirely possible.
#4 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

he couldn't save DJ

#5 Edited by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"he couldn't save DJ"

The was before he got Beast's knowledge, and before he'd done anything really useful with his powers: saving laura twice, killing Stryker, giving Prodigy a new heart, killing Belasco, creating a tumour in Vanisher's brain, isolating heroin from Wolfsbane's cells, healing himself and Angel from near fatal injuries.....
#6 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio
John Valentine said:
"pixelized said:
"he couldn't save DJ"

The was before he got Beast's knowledge, and before he'd done anything really useful with his powers: saving laura twice, killing Stryker, giving Prodigy a new heart, killing Belasco, creating a tumour in Vanisher's brain, isolating heroin from Wolfsbane's cells, healing himself and Angel from near fatal injuries....."
#7 Posted by k2 (473 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, they can handle physical injuries. But that doesn't cover traumatic experiences. For example: what happened to Rahne--she's not going to get over that too easily. While I want to see stories and action, I don't want to see them turn Hellion into a headcase or something. And there's no guarantee he wouldn't be killed off, even with a healer. It would be just like them to kill off a character they spent time developing, for impact. And to add a little more misery to X-23's life, lol.

#8 Edited by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio
k2 said:
"Yeah, they can handle physical injuries. But that doesn't cover traumatic experiences. For example: what happened to Rahne--she's not going to get over that too easily. While I want to see stories and action, I don't want to see them turn Hellion into a headcase or something. And there's no guarantee he wouldn't be killed off, even with a healer. It would be just like them to kill off a character they spent time developing, for impact. And to add a little more misery to X-23's life, lol."
But K & Y love him!
Turn him into a headcase? Hellion is insanely arrogant, and a strong, natural-born leader.
Mentally, it would take a lot to break him down: he's lived through his friends being killed, his family disowning him, Mercury being kidnapped, his friends getting trapped in Limbo and fighting hordes of demons, almost dying, the X-Men abandoning him, and Magneto rebuking him.
I'm not saying that it's impossible, just highly unlikely.

Besides, Rahne was liable to collapse: she was constantly tormented by the thought of her going feral, she was a subject of child abuse, and Moira, her maternal figure, died of the Legacy virus. On top of that she endured Purifier torture and brain washing under the hands of her Father, a man she loved but, who had previously abused her.
She also ripped off Angels, wings nearly killing, wounded Josh, and mauled her father to death, even eating him.

They can find another character who they haven't spent as much time in developing, and kill them off for an even bigger effect: for example Loa. Hellion's arrogance and elitist demeanor would detract from the sense of sympathy which one would feel concerning his death. On the contrary, Loa's innocence would be seized by such an abrupt death.
And as I already stated, he has almost died before.

Throughout the current series of X-Force, X-23 has been shown to be cold and ruthless. If she was capable of truly loving Julian, why didn't she hunt him down? Why didn't she do something which is completely within her power and find him? He doesn't need to join X-Force with her for only that. Sure, she kiled Lady Deathstrike because she wounded Julian, but one could view her feelings for Julian as nothing more than a hormonal confusion. Afterall, Hellion was one of the first people to ever show her remote affection, and she's still a teenage girl. Now, I'm not saying that Julian means nothing to her, he obviously does, but I think that their love could be easily broken, how ever much one, such as myself, might have liked it.

I could see Cyclops conscripting Hellion for X-Force. Afterall, Emma, the woman who he held in such admiration, the woman to whom he was a supposed prized student, was the one to formally abandon him in his hospital bed. Out of rage and lack of direction in his life, I could see him easily accepting an offer to join X-Force.
#9 Posted by Talon/X23 (10489 posts) - - Show Bio

I would not want them to kill Hellion butI think I know where this could be going he could be on of  the mutant Weapons but I just would not like X23 to kill him. but what if he joins X Force?????? I mean coud that happen and if he does do you think that they could make a relationship out of all this with X23???? I just hope they do not screw this up Pleas!!!!

#10 Edited by k2 (473 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that X-23 does care about him quite deeply, she just doesn't know how to show it. I actually think the whole reason she joined X-force and turned her back on trying to be a normal girl was to protect her
friends--Hellion in particular (or to avenge him, thinking he was dead if she didn't know he was alive). Not because she's just a cold-blooded killer. Remember how shocked and angry Logan was when she
joined? She even stood up to him to do it--ignored his anger. I don't believe she'd do that if she was just in it for the killing, or going with the flow. She had a reason. xD

And yes, I could see Hellion on X-force. I always thought he'd make an awesome assassin with TK (and training). I guess we'll see what happens. Hopefully nothing too drastic...the issue description just
makes me a little uneasy after seeing how they handled the end of New X-men Childhood's End.

#11 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio

I like the idea of Hellion and X-23 a lot, it's just that I wouldn't blame them for not carrying the relationship on, given the current status quo.
She'd already avenged Hellion when she killed Deathstrike in Messiah Complex, to say that she is doing this for Hellion is ridiculous, especially when his name hasn't been mentioned in 10 issues of the title: she's doing it because that is what she feels most comfortable doing, it's what she is most familiar with, and it's what she is best at.

On the other hand, Hellion is arrogant, brash, hastly and somewhat careless: a role in X-Force might not be ideal. A role in a better version of Uncanny X-Men might be more appropriate.
On that topic, I hope Kyle and Yost eventually get to write Uncanny (and X-Force at the same time :P).

#12 Posted by Talon/X23 (10489 posts) - - Show Bio
k2 said:
"I think that X-23 does care about him quite deeply, she just doesn't know how to show it. I actually think the whole reason she joined X-force and turned her back on trying to be a normal girl was to protect her
friends--Hellion in particular (or to avenge him, thinking he was dead if she didn't know he was alive). Not because she's just a cold-blooded killer. Remember how shocked and angry Logan was when she
joined? She even stood up to him to do it--ignored his anger. I don't believe she'd do that if she was just in it for the killing, or going with the flow. She had a reason. xD

And yes, I could see Hellion on X-force. I always thought he'd make an awesome assassin with TK (and training). I guess we'll see what happens. Hopefully nothing too drastic...the issue description just
makes me a little uneasy after seeing how they handled the end of New X-men Childhood's End."

#13 Posted by Mr. Wilson (6322 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think he'll die or anything.

#14 Edited by k2 (473 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with what you said Talon, especially the last part. I think Laura doesn't know he's alive, that Emma's been withholding information. X-23 probably thought he had died from his Deathstrike injuries, and now she's joined X-force because A) she's doing it in memory of her dead friends and to protect the ones still alive, B) she's got nothing left to lose, C) she's familiar with the work.

I don't think Hellion will die either but irreversible changes are possible.

#15 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio
k2 said:
"A) she's doing it in memory of her dead friends and to protect the ones still alive, B) she's got nothing left to lose, C) she's familiar with the work.
I think out of all of those, C is most believable, with A being in last place. I'm not getting the "i have to protect my loved ones" vibe from her.
#16 Posted by danhimself (22714 posts) - - Show Bio
#17 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

I wonder why he would see X-force before the regular x-men... Emma did put out that Broadcast inviting everyone to san fran, you'd think with the way things ended for hellion that'd he be the first person to show up

#18 Posted by danhimself (22714 posts) - - Show Bio

he could only be showing up for a panel or two

#19 Edited by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

but why X-force, it's not like they're listed in the yellowpages

#20 Posted by danhimself (22714 posts) - - Show Bio

they do hang out at the base

#21 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

what base? emma always comments on how they're always sneaking off

#22 Posted by danhimself (22714 posts) - - Show Bio

whatever the x-men call there new headquarters

#23 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

Graymalkin industries. i don't think they've been seen in the base since like the first issue

#24 Posted by danhimself (22714 posts) - - Show Bio

maybe not in there x-force gear but don't most of them live there

#25 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah Laura, Hisako, and Megan are all roommates.

Idk, i'm just anxious to see his entrance

#26 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh and i just read wither will be returning in X-force

#27 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"Oh and i just read wither will be returning in X-force"

Yep.
#28 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

with selene as a baddie!

#29 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"with selene as a baddie!"

Yes, and Eliphas Bard.

Side-Note: Does anyone think that Hellion is asian / part asian?
#30 Posted by danhimself (22714 posts) - - Show Bio

i just read all the academy x/new/young x-men stuff and the whole time i was thinking how great wither would be as a member of x-force

#31 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio
danhimself said:
"i just read all the academy x/new/young x-men stuff and the whole time i was thinking how great wither would be as a member of x-force"

I loved New X-Men, brilliant book.

Wither would be a good X-Force member but there's already Elixir who can do virtually the same thing, and there's the tension between the two of them.
#32 Posted by danhimself (22714 posts) - - Show Bio

but the tension would be good....elixir is such a pansy when it comes to the killing stuff though

#33 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio
danhimself said:
"but the tension would be good....elixir is such a pansy when it comes to the killing stuff though"

His powers are damn awesome though.
#34 Posted by danhimself (22714 posts) - - Show Bio

oh yeah i agree but if wither is going to be on the team then it'll finally give him a chance to do something and use his powers he never did anything in academy and new besides stock wallflower

#35 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't actually think he's going to be on the team, I think he's going to be more of an antagonist.

I enjoyed his issue, New X-Men # 32: it was awesome.

#36 Posted by danhimself (22714 posts) - - Show Bio

i pretty much enjoyed the entire run of new x-men and it would make more sense that he would be more of a villian after where his story left off

#37 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio

It was a great book, and it's a shame it got cancelled: they should have just put it on hiatus for a few months until the San Fran stuff was sorted, instead of starting Young X-Men- yuck.

Wither was with Selene, apparently Eliphas Bard is aswell..... I want Wither to come back and look like a freak.

#38 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio
John Valentine said:
"pixelized said:
"with selene as a baddie!"

Yes, and Eliphas Bard.

Side-Note: Does anyone think that Hellion is asian / part asian?"
nope
#39 Posted by k2 (473 posts) - - Show Bio
John Valentine said:
"pixelized said:
"with selene as a baddie!"

Yes, and Eliphas Bard.

Side-Note: Does anyone think that Hellion is asian / part asian?"

I've read about this before (the Asian question) and I've heard that he is not. I've read almost everything with him in it except for the hellions miniseries (which show his parents apparently) but I read comments from people who did read it, and they said that both of his parents were Caucasian. Besides, Keller is a German last name. He's just been drawn that way. I did wonder that at first myself...especially the House of M drawings...
#40 Posted by danhimself (22714 posts) - - Show Bio
hellion's parents....clearly not asian
#41 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio
#42 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

i think Asian and Jubilee comes to mind, as well as Psylocke, Armor and Karma... Julian doesn't match them

#43 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"i think Asian and Jubilee comes to mind, as well as Psylocke, Armor and Karma... Julian doesn't match them"
Surge too.
But he'd be one of the only asian leading males in the MU, save Sunfire and the martial arts dude from Heroes for Hire.
#44 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio
John Valentine said:
"pixelized said:
"i think Asian and Jubilee comes to mind, as well as Psylocke, Armor and Karma... Julian doesn't match them"
Surge too.
I forgot she even existed
#45 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"John Valentine said:
"pixelized said:
"i think Asian and Jubilee comes to mind, as well as Psylocke, Armor and Karma... Julian doesn't match them"
Surge too.
I forgot she even existed"
She's ok. Her powers are sweet, but there are cooler young mutants.
#46 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio
John Valentine said:
"pixelized said:
"John Valentine said:
"pixelized said:
"i think Asian and Jubilee comes to mind, as well as Psylocke, Armor and Karma... Julian doesn't match them"
Surge too.
I forgot she even existed"
She's ok. Her powers are sweet, but there are cooler young mutants."
I Prefer Loa and Trance over her. Though i doubt we'll see loa again ever.
#47 Posted by danhimself (22714 posts) - - Show Bio

they should have had the old new x-men as the team for the young x-men....one of the things that pissed me off about young x-men is that they haven't even mentioned any of their old teammates

#48 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

I remember seeing some of them [Loa, indra, etc...] in the background in SI, so there's still hope for them to pop up somewhere

#49 Posted by danhimself (22714 posts) - - Show Bio

maybe sophie will come back to the x-titles soon since new warriors is getting canceled

#50 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"John Valentine said:
"pixelized said:
"John Valentine said:
"pixelized said:
"i think Asian and Jubilee comes to mind, as well as Psylocke, Armor and Karma... Julian doesn't match them"
Surge too.
I forgot she even existed"
She's ok. Her powers are sweet, but there are cooler young mutants."
I Prefer Loa and Trance over her. Though i doubt we'll see loa again ever."

I reckon Loa will turn up dead, and send Josh over the edge.
Trance is kind of irrelevant, I prefer surge.

Out of this generation of female mutants I like Mercury and Dust the best, by far. (I liked Wind Dancer  too).

danhimself said:
"they should have had the old new x-men as the team for the young x-men....one of the things that pissed me off about young x-men is that they haven't even mentioned any of their old teammates"

Young X-Men is (was a lot worse) a meh book with poor  sales, and if they had to be on the team they woudl probably have been ruined by now.

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