Why do you like Hellion? Do you really believe he is the right guy for Laura? Also where do you see the character going from here on out?

Until they give him a good writer, I can only see the degradation of a character.

@Kairan1979 said:

Until they give him a good writer, I can only see the degradation of a character.

Currently he's an angry young rebel without a cause used for comic relief. I actually have no problem with this, as it tends to mean that he wont lose any more limbs. I'm sure character development will happen in the future, but not for a while. But he has had development in recent years, even though he's not had any major staring roles. People are just generally unhappy unless he has the spotlight, but with hundreds of potential mutants to use at least he is around to be used.

I'm starting to think that there's an editorial mandate to troll Hellion because he's getting it bad in every book he appears in these days.

Naaa .

I vote X-23 x Jubilee .

Naaa .

I vote X-23 x Jubilee .

Sofia Mantega.

@xerox_kitty said:

Currently he's an angry young rebel without a cause used for comic relief. I actually have no problem with this, as it tends to mean that he wont lose any more limbs. I'm sure character development will happen in the future, but not for a while. But he has had development in recent years, even though he's not had any major staring roles. People are just generally unhappy unless he has the spotlight, but with hundreds of potential mutants to use at least he is around to be used.

Actually he's an angry young rebel OR comic relief depending on who's writing him. My problem is one that has been repeated ad nauseam by others. Certain writers (Jason Aaron, and especially Marjorie Liu) have managed to fudge over years of character devlopment with just two panels or a single comic issue. Hellion hasn't been a school bully since the DeFilippis and Weir years of 2003 and 2004. And yet with the very small cameo he got in WANTXM,7 years of character development was thrown away with just two panels. And don't get me started on Liu's castration if Julian in X-23. Hellion makes progress in X-men Legacy, after his beat down on sentinel one, which gives him a bit of character development.

I'd rather have him not show up at all than have the writers [EXPLETIVE DELETED] on him all the time. It's like whenever someone attempts to move his character forward, or back where it use to be, they take 2 steps back, and cripple him. And then piss all over his broken body. Even when he's given character development, it's instantly changed or inconsistent with other appearances. He has 3 different personalities between his 3 most recent appearances in X-23, X-men legacy, and WATXM. They don't even bother being consistent with his character. Probably because they just don't care. I really hope this sounds as good as it does in my head, because i am super high right now.

And as far as the hundreds of mutants thing goes. Yes they have hundreds of mutants, and they, like Hellion are mostly background characters. It's not like surge, prodigy, rockslide, or any other "future gen xmen" are getting any screen-time. They're off standing about like cardboard cutouts while Rogue is being a stupid, annoying skank as usual. Or Cyclops while he's acting like a tampon. The only mutants who are getting screentime besides the "Real" X-men, are people are anyway related to hope. Because god forbid attention goes away from anything summers or grey related.

@why_you_mad_tho said:

@xerox_kitty said:

Currently he's an angry young rebel without a cause used for comic relief. I actually have no problem with this, as it tends to mean that he wont lose any more limbs. I'm sure character development will happen in the future, but not for a while. But he has had development in recent years, even though he's not had any major staring roles. People are just generally unhappy unless he has the spotlight, but with hundreds of potential mutants to use at least he is around to be used.

Actually he's an angry young rebel OR comic relief depending on who's writing him. My problem is one that has been repeated ad nauseam by others. Certain writers (Jason Aaron, and especially Marjorie Liu) have managed to fudge over years of character devlopment with just two panels or a single comic issue. Hellion hasn't been a school bully since the DeFilippis and Weir years of 2003 and 2004. And yet with the very small cameo he got in WANTXM,7 years of character development was thrown away with just two panels. And don't get me started on Liu's castration if Julian in X-23. Hellion makes progress in X-men Legacy, after his beat down on sentinel one, which gives him a bit of character development.

I'd rather have him not show up at all than have the writers [EXPLETIVE DELETED] on him all the time. It's like whenever someone attempts to move his character forward, or back where it use to be, they take 2 steps back, and cripple him. And then piss all over his broken body. Even when he's given character development, it's instantly changed or inconsistent with other appearances. He has 3 different personalities between his 3 most recent appearances in X-23, X-men legacy, and WATXM. They don't even bother being consistent with his character. Probably because they just don't care. I really hope this sounds as good as it does in my head, because i am super high right now.

And as far as the hundreds of mutants thing goes. Yes they have hundreds of mutants, and they, like Hellion are mostly background characters. It's not like surge, prodigy, rockslide, or any other "future gen xmen" are getting any screen-time. They're off standing about like cardboard cutouts while Rogue is being a stupid, annoying skank as usual. Or Cyclops while he's acting like a tampon. The only mutants who are getting screentime besides the "Real" X-men, are people are anyway related to hope. Because god forbid attention goes away from anything summers or grey related.

You forget Matt Fraction, who (a couple of years ago) had Hellion wearing horizontal zig-zags and rioting in the name of Quentin Quire. Not bad, considering Hellion never lived in anyone else's shadow and had nothing to do with Quire when they were at the Westchester Institute before. Liu is an affront to continuity, who most fans are willing to priase because they are distracted by pretty art. While I personally am disappointed to see that he is relegated to the role of bully; it was only for a few panels. I can live with comic relief, because a little but of comedy never hurt a character. He has been pu through emotional hell and disfigured over the last few years. The one safe thing to say is that a few laughs never hurt a character like Hellion.

As for the rest of your argument, most of it doesn't make sense and the rest isn't even pertinent. It certainly in't an excuse to swear in the forums. For someone who's username suggests a light-hearted frame of mind, perhaps you should take a step back and chill. After all, ranting & raving over a comic book character is no reason to break the rules.

@why_you_mad_tho said:

And then piss all over his broken body.

I LOL'd at this. And I'm in the library, so this is a bad thing. Note to self: save the forums for home when I can cackle like an idiot all that I want.

He has been represented as both a conflicted/angry guy but also as a bully/"popular jerk" but I like him most of the time. I feel he and Laura would be good for each other because she could help him move on and get past his anger issues while he can help show Laura how to live but also be his moral compass so he won't be such a jerk.

@why_you_mad_tho " Rogue is being stupid and skannky as usual."

Why you mad though son??? Magneto gonna whoop your ass.

Laura and Julian had a great rapport during the Kyle & Yost years, they slowly built something with those characters and it was disappointing to see Liu destroy all that. I like Liu as a writer, but X-23 #19 was a travesty.

As for Julian himself, he's a character with a lot of potential. Certain writers see this like Yost & Kyle, & Carey...others not so much. Jury is still out on Arron's portrayal but IMO Arron's one of the best so I have hope! Though that's what I said about Liu in the beginning.... Anyway I tweeted with Gage a week or so back and he said Hellion would be back in Legacy during the AVX event so it will be interesting to see his take on the character.

@Baddamdog said:

@Kairan1979 said:

Until they give him a good writer, I can only see the degradation of a character.

@Gawdzilla One of the reasons i loved X-23 #19 is because of that end to their relationship.

@snyderman567: Just wait till Chris and Craig get their hands back on X-23 and they'll bring the two back together

@Gawdzilla: In your own fanboyish dream. Im sorry but a damaged girl being in a relationship with an unlikeable, huge douchebag was a terrible idea from the start.

@snyderman567 said:

@Gawdzilla: In your own fanboyish dream. Im sorry but a damaged girl being in a relationship with an unlikeable, huge douchebag was a terrible idea from the start.

Haha, you liked the X-23 series. Oh, dear.

@snyderman567 said:

@Gawdzilla: In your own fanboyish dream. Im sorry but a damaged girl being in a relationship with an unlikeable, huge douchebag was a terrible idea from the start.

Haha, you liked the X-23 series. Oh, dear.

@John Valentine: HaHa your a little child

@@FadeToBlackBolt: Well its not for everyone.

@snyderman567 said:

@John Valentine: HaHa your a little child

@@FadeToBlackBolt: Well its not for everyone.

You're a troll.

It shouldn't be for anyone.

If you claim to like X-23, how can you even like the title? The writing, dialogue and art are atrocious.

@snyderman567 said:

@John Valentine: HaHa your a little child

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