" read how did hellion behave to x-23 in new x-men at first place ,and i can tell you ,what he done is unforgiveable. "

" @ka385385 said:

" read how did hellion behave to x-23 in new x-men at first place ,and i can tell you ,what he done is unforgiveable. "

 He did what most stubborn, above average, good looking, rich, popular, egotistical, defensive, neglected teenagers do. May I ask you who your three favorite X-Men characters are incidentally?   Hey, if your sticking up for X-23, I am so totally behind you, I am a much bigger X-23 fan than I am a Hellion fan lol. X-23 has actually killed people though, I mean, its understandable why, when we look at her background, and thats applicable to all characters. You have to weigh these things up. If Hellion is 'unforgivable' by way of being a jerk, well, like I said before, who are your three favorite characters? Imma gonna bet that they ain't so squeaky clean if they have been around as long as Hellion.  "

" read how did hellion behave to x-23 in new x-men at first place ,and i can tell you ,what he done is unforgiveable. "

"  but non of my favorite x-men are arrogant  ,like nightcralwer. "

*eats popcorn and watches thread*

Heh. Don't worry, got lots stored up. Also, I will point out that Helix is a combination of Hellion and X-23, and is a tribute to the double helix shape of DNA. It was suggested by a reader, Laura K. Howlett on fanfiction.net. :-)

" well ,no matter what ,arrogant is bad. i can see some people try to find some excuse like "it's no that worse" ,but in fact ,it's won't change  that arrogant make people bad. i know there is some characters are arrogant ,but not snob ,like BEN 10(i wonder how can he be such arrogant ,when everyone look down him at school when he was 10 years old ,well probably because of omnitrix make him such faithful) ,ben 10 is arrogant  ,but he won't  handle some people like "he's such a loser" or else.  hellion is another story ,his arrogant   make him like snob ,he bully people ,and that bully words may be too strong for some people but that was ture if you get what i mean. "

If you don't like Hellion, then don't read stuff with him. Simple as that. 

" @John Valentine: than ,i just speak to the point ,hellion not only a arrogant  snob but also a hypocrite. "

@ka385385 said:

" @John Valentine: not exactly ,i read a few his appear and i'm sure what kind of people he is ,he's not a good person. he might work for villians in future ,because i can see he also think mutant is better than human and i believe he also thin the only strong will survive . "

Well, that just invalidates your opinion. Hellion thinks he's better than people. Period. Humans and mutants included.

he is a self center ass who cares about his friends amd because of that i like him.

" @ka385385 said:

" @John Valentine: not exactly ,i read a few his appear and i'm sure what kind of people he is ,he's not a good person. he might work for villians in future ,because i can see he also think mutant is better than human and i believe he also thin the only strong will survive . "

Well, that just invalidates your opinion. Well, mutants are better than humans.  He's not the only mutant to think that. "

" @ka385385: 
 
As The Dude so excellently put it, " Yeah, well that's just like, your opinion, man"
"

" I didn't used to like him.  I don't care for all-confident bullying types.  But good writers have told good stories with him, shown him in more interesting light & given him more depth.  Now, I like the character because I feel he actually has character. "

I didn't used to like him.  I don't care for all-confident bullying types.  But good writers have told good stories with him, shown him in more interesting light & given him more depth.  Now, I like the character because I feel he actually has character.

Character never clicked with me at all. Though there is some potential to make him a much better character.

I don't know how people couldn't like Hellion. Charming, egotistical, remarkably loyal and arrogant. He's charismatic, powerful, a ladies man and he has more character and depth than most of the idiots who headline the series he appears in. Hellion had depth even when he was a "bully" in the Weir and Defilippis days. He oozed charm in just about every scene he was in with Sofia. Julian didn't like people to think he was soft..or weak. He was upset that his parents didn't attend parents-day and was forced to participate, but later told anole it was only an act to get out of working. Or when Northstar was killed. Sofia and Julian just flew around in the old spot Northstar use to teach flight training. Julian confessed how he knew Northstar cared about him. But later when he was with his friends he pretended how he could careless about Northstar or his funeral. And yet there he was watching from afar. Julian has always shown he that he valued loyalty and friendship above everything. You can say what you want about Hellion but he would risk his life, and freedom at just a chance to protect one of his friends.That's exactly why i loved Hellion and the Hellions, and hated Icarus and the new mutants. It didn't matter if Julian was getting the Hellions Squad into trouble..they followed him anyway. They did it because they knew Julian would do the same for anyone of them. Emma described him best. Even when he's being good, he's insolent. And he will always do what he FEELS is best.

This thread needs a "do not feed the bears" sign.

I don't know how people couldn't like Hellion. Charming, egotistical, remarkably loyal and arrogant. He's charismatic, powerful, a ladies man and he has more character and depth than most of the idiots who headline the series he stars in. Hellion had depth even when he was a "bully" in the Weir and Defilippis days. He oozed charm in just about every scene he was in with Sofia. Julian didn't like people to think he was soft..or weak. He was upset that his parents didn't attend parents-day and was forced to participate, but later told anole it was only an act to get out of working. He told Anole he had only pretended to be hurt by the fact his parents had not come to parents day to get out of work. Or after Northstar was killed. Sofia and Julian just flew around in the old spot Northstar use to teach flight training. Julian confessed how he knew Northstar cared about him. But later when he was with his friends he pretended how he could careless about Northstar or his funeral. And yet there he was watching from afar. Julian has always shown he that he valued loyalty and friendship above everything. You can say what you want about Hellion but he would risk his life, and freedom at just a chance to protect one of his friends.That's exactly why i loved Hellion and the Hellions, and hated Icarus and the new mutants. It didn't matter if Julian was getting them into trouble..they followed him anyway. They did it because they knew Julian would do the same for anyone of them. Emma described him best. Even when he's being good, he's insolent. And he will always do what he FEELS is best.

@The Dark Huntress said:

@why_you_mad_tho

I don't know how people couldn't like Hellion. Charming, egotistical, remarkably loyal and arrogant. He's charismatic, powerful, a ladies man and he has more character and depth than most of the idiots who headline the series he stars in. Hellion had depth even when he was a "bully" in the Weir and Defilippis days. He oozed charm in just about every scene he was in with Sofia. Julian didn't like people to think he was soft..or weak. He was upset that his parents didn't attend parents-day and was forced to participate, but later told anole it was only an act to get out of working. He told Anole he had only pretended to be hurt by the fact his parents had not come to parents day to get out of work. Or after Northstar was killed. Sofia and Julian just flew around in the old spot Northstar use to teach flight training. Julian confessed how he knew Northstar cared about him. But later when he was with his friends he pretended how he could careless about Northstar or his funeral. And yet there he was watching from afar. Julian has always shown he that he valued loyalty and friendship above everything. You can say what you want about Hellion but he would risk his life, and freedom at just a chance to protect one of his friends.That's exactly why i loved Hellion and the Hellions, and hated Icarus and the new mutants. It didn't matter if Julian was getting them into trouble..they followed him anyway. They did it because they knew Julian would do the same for anyone of them. Emma described him best. Even when he's being good, he's insolent. And he will always do what he FEELS is best.

If it was legal, I'd marry this post.

If it was legal, I'd marry Julian. People might get a little freaked when I talk to my imaginary husband though. Good thing I have a decoy...*grin*

@why_you_mad_tho said:

I don't know how people couldn't like Hellion. Charming, egotistical, remarkably loyal and arrogant. He's charismatic, powerful, a ladies man and he has more character and depth than most of the idiots who headline the series he appears in. Hellion had depth even when he was a "bully" in the Weir and Defilippis days. He oozed charm in just about every scene he was in with Sofia. Julian didn't like people to think he was soft..or weak. He was upset that his parents didn't attend parents-day and was forced to participate, but later told anole it was only an act to get out of working. Or when Northstar was killed. Sofia and Julian just flew around in the old spot Northstar use to teach flight training. Julian confessed how he knew Northstar cared about him. But later when he was with his friends he pretended how he could careless about Northstar or his funeral. And yet there he was watching from afar. Julian has always shown he that he valued loyalty and friendship above everything. You can say what you want about Hellion but he would risk his life, and freedom at just a chance to protect one of his friends.That's exactly why i loved Hellion and the Hellions, and hated Icarus and the new mutants. It didn't matter if Julian was getting the Hellions Squad into trouble..they followed him anyway. They did it because they knew Julian would do the same for anyone of them. Emma described him best. Even when he's being good, he's insolent. And he will always do what he FEELS is best.

Nail on the head, bro. One of the many reasons I like Hellion. This post doesn't touch on the Kyle and Yost era characterisation. Hellion should be A-list.

I haven't read much of him, but I didn't like what I did. He seems like a supreme tool

@why_you_mad_tho said:

I don't know how people couldn't like Hellion. Charming, egotistical, remarkably loyal and arrogant. He's charismatic, powerful, a ladies man and he has more character and depth than most of the idiots who headline the series he appears in. Hellion had depth even when he was a "bully" in the Weir and Defilippis days. He oozed charm in just about every scene he was in with Sofia. Julian didn't like people to think he was soft..or weak. He was upset that his parents didn't attend parents-day and was forced to participate, but later told anole it was only an act to get out of working. Or when Northstar was killed. Sofia and Julian just flew around in the old spot Northstar use to teach flight training. Julian confessed how he knew Northstar cared about him. But later when he was with his friends he pretended how he could careless about Northstar or his funeral. And yet there he was watching from afar. Julian has always shown he that he valued loyalty and friendship above everything. You can say what you want about Hellion but he would risk his life, and freedom at just a chance to protect one of his friends.That's exactly why i loved Hellion and the Hellions, and hated Icarus and the new mutants. It didn't matter if Julian was getting the Hellions Squad into trouble..they followed him anyway. They did it because they knew Julian would do the same for anyone of them. Emma described him best. Even when he's being good, he's insolent. And he will always do what he FEELS is best.

So true. And that's what make me incredibly angry and sad. One of the best New X-Men was butchered by the writers.

@SC said:

Wow, I used to be relatively impartial to appreciative of Hellion, but after some of the arguments in this thread, lmao I feel like a fully fledged admirer. He's young and had a harder life than most, he's smart too, just a bit angry as well, and justifiably so. He'll be one of the luckier characters that gets to develop a bit, cool. (Reminds me a tiny bit of Justice in that sense)

Considering that was posted over a year ago - reading through this thread made me feel like this as well. As for him being one of the luckier characters to get developed, that hope is fading fast.

Hear that guys? Cyclops, Storm, Xavier and Gambit have all been treated badly by writers before, and they bounced back just fine. So there's hope. So all hellion needs to do is be featured in multiple Emmy winning cartoons, blockbuster movies, and 2 dozen or so comics a year for the next 60 years...and maybe he can bounce back like those guys. I mean it only took small characters like Icarus 20 years to make it back into the spotlight, and Hellion gets about one panel every 4 or 5 months so he's golden. Who cares that he's treated bad now. There's always hope..because wolverine...has been written badly before. And he gets little to know exposure. Also i hate Icarus. HATE. He's the worst.