Hey Folks, just wondering if anyone has read an explanation for Hawkeye's apparent increase in strength seen in New Avengers Vol. 2 Issue 9.

I expected it to be a lead in to a story, but... I've not seen anything yet.

Ummmmm. Bendis?

@judasnixon: LOL! While I don't doubt your answer.. I was hoping for a little more.. but...that may be the only explanation there is...

He's a SKRULL in disguise?

@infonation said:

He's a SKRULL in disguise?

That would make sense... and that would mean he's still a Skrull.. but is there any other evidence?

Well cars nowadays are very light. Let's see him do that to a 1969 Thunderbird.

I really appreciate that you still remember this and still point it out - its always in the back of my mind, the strange place I can only go during day time hours. Also recently a bunch of viking warriors in the new Thor title confirmed how heavy Thor was. He is suppose to be near 300 kg/650 lbs, but in Siege some random guy dragged his dead weight and armor up an incline. That was impressive to me too. My personal canon is that steroids are more common in Earth 616...

Interesting... same thing as Wolverine used to be too heavy to be able to swim, then again he used to be able to kill by a sword through the heart.

Ummmmm. Bendis?

@Magethor said:

Well cars nowadays are very light. Let's see him do that to a 1969 Thunderbird.

That reminds me of a 1969 Oldsmobile my mother used to have. That thing was about 100 feet long... I couldn't parallel park the dang thing as it required two drivers to accomplish the task.

@fesak said:

Interesting... same thing as Wolverine used to be too heavy to be able to swim, then again he used to be able to kill by a sword through the heart.

Yeah... In that Wolverine/Kitty 6 issue mini-series back in the 80s he was stabbed through the heart with a katana, by Kitty while she was possessed by an evil Ninja master's spirit... He was down for the count but Yukio knocked Kitty out as I recall. He also took several days to recover from that. Yet, today, he stands right by Nitro as he explodes with the force of a Nuclear bomb and a few minutes later Wolverine is up, walking, and killing again...

But this thing has just never been explained or mentioned again... It's just...hanging there...like a dangling participle... @SC said:

I really appreciate that you still remember this and still point it out - its always in the back of my mind, the strange place I can only go during day time hours. Also recently a bunch of viking warriors in the new Thor title confirmed how heavy Thor was. He is suppose to be near 300 kg/650 lbs, but in Siege some random guy dragged his dead weight and armor up an incline. That was impressive to me too. My personal canon is that steroids are more common in Earth 616...

Orrrr...maybe gravity has less affect on him when he's unconscious? or the random guy was actually a super hero who wanted to remain anonymous! or.. or... the writers just didn't really care about details... No, that could never happen, could it?

@Timandm said:

@Magethor said:

Well cars nowadays are very light. Let's see him do that to a 1969 Thunderbird.

That reminds me of a 1969 Oldsmobile my mother used to have. That thing was about 100 feet long... I couldn't parallel park the dang thing as it required two drivers to accomplish the task.

Parallel parking was a nightmare using these cars. Our parents must be pro!

@Markus_Langbourn said:

@judasnixon said:

Ummmmm. Bendis?

Ding ding ding, correctamundo.

*sigh* this. If he had wanted he could have had Clint use the dormant pym particles to go Goliath, but no lets just randomly have him lift a freakin car.

@Blood1991 said:

@Markus_Langbourn said:

@judasnixon said:

Ummmmm. Bendis?

Ding ding ding, correctamundo.

*sigh* this. If he had wanted he could have had Clint use the dormant pym particles to go Goliath, but no lets just randomly have him lift a freakin car.

Yes.. and then NEVER TALK About it....

@Magethor: Were parking spaces longer back then??? How the hell did I ever manage to park that thing?

@Timandm: I suggest just trying to move on. Bendis will never explain this, unless he does an interview on here in which case I will gladly raise the question with you.

@Blood1991: Kind of like the watermelon in the movie Buckaroo Bonzai....

on the off chance that you didn't see the movie, I'll explain what I mean... There's a scene that has NOTHING to do with the movie... Two guys are running through this building during the chaos of fighting off some sort of invasion by beings from another dimension... I believe they end up having to go through a machine room where there is a water melon in a machine press... One guy asks the other, "What's that water melon doing in a machine press?" and the other guy replies, "I'll tell you later." ..... and it's NEVER mentioned again...

@SC:

LOL. I remember that. I was wondering how this dude was able to drag Thor by himself when it took Captain America and 4 other heroes (some of whom had super strength) to carry Thor when he collapsed during Fear Itself.

Doesn't make any sense as Cage could carry Thor by himself. Hell, Captain America can drag Thor.

SSS?

@Hyperlight said:

SSS?

Is that a question?

@Timandm: nah i was just saying it might be a super soldier serum

@Hyperlight: Oh... LOL! got it.

Well THAT actually would make sense... I've been thinking about how Hawkeye worked well through the 70s and 80s, but in the current Marvel Universe, I just don't see being able to shoot things with precision as enough of a talent to make one a super hero... An assassin, no doubt, but....

Bobbie got upgraded to super soldier status.. why not Clint...

It's actually Captain America posing as Hawkeye for story purposes.

@JonSmith said:

It's actually Captain America posing as Hawkeye for story purposes.

seriously?

@Timandm said:

It's actually Captain America posing as Hawkeye for story purposes.

seriously?

Probably not. But I like my explanation better than Hawkeye screaming, "BY THE POWER OF BENDIS!"

@JonSmith said:

@Timandm said:

It's actually Captain America posing as Hawkeye for story purposes.

seriously?

Probably not. But I like my explanation better than Hawkeye screaming, "BY THE POWER OF BENDIS!"

Hmmm... No.... No, I think you are actually on to something with the whole, "By the power of Bendis!" thing... I think it could work!!!!

YES! YOU'RE A GENIUS!

Hawkeye is now suped up by the POWER OF BENDIS... and.. and.. Like Dr. Strange, he wears a magical garment of some sort. Perhaps a.. CLOAK OF QUESADA! The cloak of Quesada, of course, shields him from the iron grip of continuity and timeline constraints!

and finally... he wields.. THE PEN OF LIEFELD! With which he is able to instantly summon HUGE guns, women with no feet, and, when the occasion calls for it, people who only have one leg!

@Timandm said:

Hmmm... No.... No, I think you are actually on to something with the whole, "By the power of Bendis!" thing... I think it could work!!!!

YES! YOU'RE A GENIUS!

Hawkeye is now suped up by the POWER OF BENDIS... and.. and.. Like Dr. Strange, he wears a magical garment of some sort. Perhaps a.. CLOAK OF QUESADA! The cloak of Quesada, of course, shields him from the iron grip of continuity and timeline constraints!

and finally... he wields.. THE PEN OF LIEFELD! With which he is able to instantly summon HUGE guns, women with no feet, and, when the occasion calls for it, people who only have one leg!

The Pen of Liefeld is obvious. It's in his hand in the comic the OP posted: Hawkeye disguises it as an arrow. Once squeezed, it gives him superhuman muscles the likes of which stop him from actually reaching his face, and from some angles, makes him appear to have hideously deformed breasts. Or perhaps he inflates with so many pouches the car is lifted away.

And the women have no spine as well as no feet and only one leg. They attempt to make up for it with POUCHES.

@JonSmith said:

@Timandm said:

Hmmm... No.... No, I think you are actually on to something with the whole, "By the power of Bendis!" thing... I think it could work!!!!

YES! YOU'RE A GENIUS!

Hawkeye is now suped up by the POWER OF BENDIS... and.. and.. Like Dr. Strange, he wears a magical garment of some sort. Perhaps a.. CLOAK OF QUESADA! The cloak of Quesada, of course, shields him from the iron grip of continuity and timeline constraints!

and finally... he wields.. THE PEN OF LIEFELD! With which he is able to instantly summon HUGE guns, women with no feet, and, when the occasion calls for it, people who only have one leg!

The Pen of Liefeld is obvious. It's in his hand in the comic the OP posted: Hawkeye disguises it as an arrow. Once squeezed, it gives him superhuman muscles the likes of which stop him from actually reaching his face, and from some angles, makes him appear to have hideously deformed breasts. Or perhaps he inflates with so many pouches the car is lifted away.

And the women have no spine as well as no feet and only one leg. They attempt to make up for it with POUCHES.

You, Sir, are a genius... and I see you are well versed in 'Liefeldism.'

I now consider this mystery solved and it is time to go on to the next one... I'm thinking of posting a blog on genius battle tactics within the Marvel Universe.

There once was a writer named Bendis

Who liked to play with his pen-dis

He f*cked up canon

He just crammed in

Bullsh*t because he could care less.

**True Emma Frost Fans**

@lykopis said:

There once was a writer named Bendis

Who liked to play with his penis

This is how I read your post at first.

I hope you're happy.

@InnerVenom123 said:

@lykopis said:

There once was a writer named Bendis

Who liked to play with his penis

This is how I read your post at first.

I hope you're happy.

Most welcome, sir. I aim to uh...well, you know. ;)

@lykopis said:

There once was a writer named Bendis

Who liked to play with his pen-dis

He f*cked up canon

He just crammed in

Bullsh*t because he could care less.

**True Emma Frost Fans**

Is that in Iambic pentameter?

@lykopis said:

There once was a writer named Bendis

Who liked to play with his pen-dis

He f*cked up canon

He just crammed in

Bullsh*t because he could care less.

**True Emma Frost Fans**

Poetry my weakness!!!!

@Timandm said:

Is that in Iambic pentameter?

lol --- not quite but love seeing that term bandied out. Tis more limerick"y" with an unabashed abuse of required steps. Why should I pay attention to fundamentals when the subject fails to? ;)

@Blood1991 said:

Poetry my weakness!!!!

Good thing we are allies, Jack of Hearts. Best keep that tidbit under your hat -- there's spades and clubs and diamonds about...

>_>

<_<

@lykopis: *Gasp* Mutiny in the court!

@Blood1991 said:

@lykopis: *Gasp* Mutiny in the court!

I know! O_O

And you are one-eyed so keep it steady on the clubs and diamonds which are equipped with two. It's fortunate they both have wandering eyes but their Kings are the deviant sort.

My axe is as sharp as my senses and your wit. We shall prevail, brave knight!

VICTORIA CORDE!

@lykopis said:

@Blood1991 said:

@lykopis: *Gasp* Mutiny in the court!

I know! O_O

And you are one-eyed so keep it steady on the clubs and diamonds which are equipped with two. It's fortunate they both have wandering eyes but their Kings are the deviant sort.

My axe is as sharp as my senses and your wit. We shall prevail, brave knight!

VICTORIA CORDE!

Heads shall roll, and I will stake them around the castle as a message to the rest!

dude, moms can lift cars in danger situations to save their kids, so why not a peak human dude that does crazy stuff all the time and is super trained facing death by a car?

it's not that awkward IMHO

@Jorgevy said:

dude, moms can lift cars in danger situations to save their kids, so why not a peak human dude that does crazy stuff all the time and is super trained facing death by a car?

it's not that awkward IMHO

agreed,there was a teenage girl (and she wasn't really in bad shape,but she wasn't muscular or in body-builder condition.She was average) and she was able to lift a car off of her father.So why can't a peak human guy do it.And that was a true story,so I see no problem with hawkeye doing it.

@cameron83 said:

@Jorgevy said:

dude, moms can lift cars in danger situations to save their kids, so why not a peak human dude that does crazy stuff all the time and is super trained facing death by a car?

it's not that awkward IMHO

agreed,there was a teenage girl (and she wasn't really in bad shape,but she wasn't muscular or in body-builder condition.She was average) and she was able to lift a car off of her father.So why can't a peak human guy do it.And that was a true story,so I see no problem with hawkeye doing it.

true, adrenaline, why not? as long as he was sored afterwards, it's believable

@Jorgevy said:

@cameron83 said:

@Jorgevy said:

dude, moms can lift cars in danger situations to save their kids, so why not a peak human dude that does crazy stuff all the time and is super trained facing death by a car?

it's not that awkward IMHO

agreed,there was a teenage girl (and she wasn't really in bad shape,but she wasn't muscular or in body-builder condition.She was average) and she was able to lift a car off of her father.So why can't a peak human guy do it.And that was a true story,so I see no problem with hawkeye doing it.

true, adrenaline, why not? as long as he was sored afterwards, it's believable

well it didn't really have to be adrenaline,but just an idea...

I like the Pym Particle theory so far.

Does Hawkeye really need super strength though?

@cameron83: yeah I just said adrenaline because that's what's commonly associated with those cases....

@Jorgevy said:

@cameron83: yeah I just said adrenaline because that's what's commonly associated with those cases....

I know,but it's still possible that the inconsistency of Bendis is at play.

@cameron83: actually I have no doubt it was a Bendis misfortune, I was just coming up with an In-verse plausible explanation

@Gambit1024 said:

I like the Pym Particle theory so far.

Does Hawkeye really need super strength though?

Only to lift that car off his body, since he was pinned on the ground... It looks as if he was on his back and the car was on top of him at first.

@Jorgevy: @cameron83:

No doubt adrenaline gives normal humans super human strength in times of distress... But in the situations you've mentioned, and the ones I've read about, the person is usually in a position where they can USE their muscles.. Like a guy in Hawaii, a few years back, that basically lifted a crashed helicopter off his friend. He didn't lift the whole thing, but lifted one side enough for his friend to be pulled out. But in this situation it appears that Hawkeye is on his back at first and the car is on his entire body... Next, he is on ONE KNEE and lifting the car with ONE ARM. I really do think it's implied that it is more than just an adrenaline boost. Also notice that he's not even straining really... Even when people have that adrenaline rush, they have to exert extraordinary effort, don't you think?

edit - Jorgevy, I didnt see your last comment until after I replied to the previous one... I get what you're saying about the inverse plausible explanation. other than the "By the Power of BENDIS" scenario, or Captain America in disguise, or a Skrull... Adrenaline is the best one yet...

@Timandm: no problem xD yeah true, in most cases its like that but i remember a hitchiker lifting a whole rock that fell on his chest. also, in most cases there's a LOT of straining and also muscle rupture, because technically humans are stronger than they are but their minds kinda shield them of harm by making themselves think of as weaker. why - because if we actually went with our full might in some routines we could easily "destroy" a muscle

so yeah, although he isn't straining and the position was extremelly weird, he IS peak human. comic book peak human actually, which as we all know its slightly better than real life peak human. I guess if they dont explain this in a good way, the adrenaline thing is better than nothing, or atleast better than a Bendis screw up

@Jorgevy: Actually, I've been hoping that they have 'suped' him up in any way. What I like most about Hawkeye is that he actually has no super powers.. He is ENTIRELY about skill and will power... And being a cocky so and so but we love him for that...

I can't really think of any other Marvel heroes that are truly street level, and I tend to enjoy those. Bobbie WAS street level but she's a super soldier now, but I do hope they'll leave Clint alone and let him continue to be the peak/olympic level/supremely skilled/cocky so-and-so that he is...

@Timandm: although he was a super soldier in the Ultimate universe... so there's a possibility.

personally I have a hard time liking characters that are purely skill and peak/olympic level. I prefer street levels with weak or low level powers, like Daredevil and Captain America or something. the only exception is Batman because let's face it, he is more superhuman than peak anything with all the crap the writers make him do

@Jorgevy said:

@Timandm: although he was a super soldier in the Ultimate universe... so there's a possibility.

personally I have a hard time liking characters that are purely skill and peak/olympic level. I prefer street levels with weak or low level powers, like Daredevil and Captain America or something. the only exception is Batman because let's face it, he is more superhuman than peak anything with all the crap the writers make him do

No, no, no... Batman is an exception because... HE'S BATMAN!!! damnit!!! LOL! Who doesn't love Batman?

I do like the heroes with low power levels. it adds to the suspense, imo... I'm not too crazy about Hyperion and Captain Universe being on the Avengers team now... It seems that the problems they face will be all too easy to solve... I love the charactes, but I'd prefer to see them on their own, fighting galaxy level evil...

I'm also a big fan of Daredevil. Also, I like the latest version of Moon Knight (especially with the three personalities in his head.) I would LOVE to see a JESSICA CAGE series... Note, not a Heroes for Hire where she's part of Luke's team... JUST Jessica Cage, P.I. She'll wear a trench-coat, carry a bat, and drive a motor-cycle...

In the D.C. universe Night Wing is about my favorite hero, but the things the Bat Family can do... well, like you mentioned about Bat Man, they exceed just peak human... But we love 'em for it...

@Timandm: true true. I do like it when their are weaker, i just have a problem with the whole "Im so trained I actually hang aroundd with super beings". although i admit i enjoy Green Arrow and other non powered street levels. it just takes much longer to get used to I guess

tbh i really hope he does get stronger i love hawkeye but i just think he needs an upgrade i mean some writers make him look bad and i hate that.....i have heard that ultimate hawkeye is really cool …

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