Hawkeye is not a green arrow rip off

Posted by jayskee (1905 posts) - - Show Bio

I know this going to sound like a fanboy rant but I don't care cause I'm tried of people calling Hawkeye a green arrow rip off. Hawkeye was a orphan who ran away from foster care and joined a circus. Green arrow was a billionaire who was deserted on a island for 5 years. How does that make them in any way, shape or, form like each other? The only thing they have in common is that they are archers and are both rebellious. Hawkeye and Mockingbird is nothing like Green Arrow and black canary expect that both girls are blond. Hawkeye is also alot more important to the Avengers then Green Arrow every was to the justice league. Hawkeye led the avengers. Green arrow never led the justice league. So in conclusion they are almost nothing alike.

#1 Posted by Omegus (186 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayskee: Kudos

#2 Posted by Nova`Prime` (4157 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait.. does that mean I am a rip off of Hawkeye and/or Green Arrow... I like blonds and shooting arcery.

*ponders the implications of his life being a lie*

#3 Posted by moywar700 (2775 posts) - - Show Bio

batman is a superman rip-off because they both wear capes.

#4 Posted by haydenclaireheroes (8895 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree a lot of people say that Hawkeye is a Green Arrow rip off, but I don't think that is true. Both of their stories are completely different. People just say they are similar because they are both archers.

#5 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

Green Arrow started off as Batman with a bow. He only got his personality after Hawkeye became a popular member of the Avengers.

#6 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

The only similarity is they use a bow. Thats it. From there totally diffrent characters.

#7 Posted by cattlebattle (12585 posts) - - Show Bio

There is a lot more similarities then what you named but....denial is OK

#8 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blood1991 said:

The only similarity is they use a bow. Thats it. From there totally diffrent characters.

#9 Posted by Shotgun (900 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator said:

Green Arrow started off as Batman with a bow. He only got his personality after Hawkeye became a popular member of the Avengers.

#10 Posted by RoboShark (1208 posts) - - Show Bio

.@jayskee said:

I know this going to sound like a fanboy rant but I don't care cause I'm tried of people calling Hawkeye a green arrow rip off. Hawkeye was a orphan who ran away from foster care and joined a circus. Green arrow was a billionaire who was deserted on a island for 5 years. How does that make them in any way, shape or, form like each other? The only thing they have in common is that they are archers and are both rebellious. Hawkeye and Mockingbird is nothing like Green Arrow and black canary expect that both girls are blond. Hawkeye is also alot more important to the Avengers then Green Arrow every was to the justice league. Hawkeye led the avengers. Green arrow never led the justice league. So in conclusion they are almost nothing alike.

I like them both. That aside whoever came first should be established. Cause whoever came second is at least a groupie.

#11 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shotgun said:

@TheAnnihilator said:

Green Arrow started off as Batman with a bow. He only got his personality after Hawkeye became a popular member of the Avengers.

Are you really that slow? I'm talking about comics here, not movies or TV shows. The personality change I'm talking about happened several decades before the creation of this show.

#12 Posted by Shotgun (900 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator I thought you were talking about the movie Avengers, since I never heard of Hawkeye before the movie came out.

#13 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shotgun said:

@TheAnnihilator I thought you were talking about the movie Avengers, since I never heard of Hawkeye before the movie came out.

That's just ridiculous

#14 Posted by daredevil21134 (10909 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator said:

Green Arrow started off as Batman with a bow. He only got his personality after Hawkeye became a popular member of the Avengers.

That is true

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#15 Posted by Trodorne (2574 posts) - - Show Bio

@Omegus said:

@jayskee: Kudos

I knew you would show up at this. anything remotely hawkeye you back him up. Green Arrow was good PRE-52. that is all i have to say on that.

#16 Posted by haydenclaireheroes (8895 posts) - - Show Bio

@moywar700 said:

batman is a superman rip-off because they both wear capes.

#17 Posted by Omegus (186 posts) - - Show Bio

@Trodorne said:

@Omegus said:

@jayskee: Kudos

I knew you would show up at this. anything remotely hawkeye you back him up. Green Arrow was good PRE-52. that is all i have to say on that.

No one is saying there is a problem with either characters. Infact I enjoy both characters because they bring their own style to both Avengers and JLA. Of course Ill back up Hawkeye, that like you and your Red Lanterns....or Red heads.

Anyways this is about how Hawkeye is NOT a ripoff.

#18 Posted by darktiger (4157 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@Blood1991 said:

The only similarity is they use a bow. Thats it. From there totally diffrent characters.

#19 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@darktiger: That's a lovely pointless bump you got there.

#20 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@darktiger: That's a lovely pointless bump you got there.

I think I want to frame it and put it up on my wall.

#21 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@Decoy Elite said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@darktiger: That's a lovely pointless bump you got there.

I think I want to frame it and put it up on my wall.

Hey I love quoted flattery! Especially for something I said 6 months ago.

#22 Posted by SC (12705 posts) - - Show Bio

No they are the same character, wearing different color outfits and traveling really far. You can tell when the JLA induct Hawkeye into the League and he starts laughing at them exclaiming I have already been inducted you fools. That was pre52, preMarvel Now and prePuberty so who knows what the current status quo is, only Iron Sheik knows.

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#23 Posted by SUNMAN (7141 posts) - - Show Bio

all archers are the same. And boring outside of cartoons and live action.

Anyone bringing a bow and arrow to a modern day firefight would be killed 100x over

#24 Posted by Shark_Repellent_Bat_Spray (745 posts) - - Show Bio

@SUNMAN said:

all archers are the same. And boring outside of cartoons and live action.

Hawkeye's current series is one of the best things Marvel have to offer at the moment. Hawkeye was extremely boring in Iron Man 3... Sorry, I mean Avengers.

Plus, after reading Green Arrow #17 it has been re-added to lots of fan's pull lists (mine included).

#25 Posted by longbowhunter (6785 posts) - - Show Bio

People are always gonna compare apples to oranges. It's nothing new.

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#26 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5175 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheAnnihilator

Green Arrow started off as Batman with a bow. He only got his personality after Hawkeye became a popular member of the Avengers.

This
#27 Posted by Aero_gt (840 posts) - - Show Bio

Hawkeye and Green Arrow are as much ripoffs as say Superman and Goku, Deathstroke and Deadpool, Namor and Aquaman, Fantastic Four and Doom Patrol . Sure they are Blond, have a blond female partner/lover, and use Bow and Arrows, but they differ in personality. I read Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) and Wonderwoman, but only stayed for WonderWoman's book while I love Namor and Can't quite like Aquaman, and God the Pre and Post JSA is a better team than the New and Old JLA. Clint is more honorable than Ollie and can lead while Ollie is an Underdog type char that manages to pull of wins. I love them both in different ways, but they are not the same.

#28 Posted by daredevil21134 (10909 posts) - - Show Bio

@Aero_gt said:

Hawkeye and Green Arrow are as much ripoffs as say Superman and Goku, Deathstroke and Deadpool, Namor and Aquaman, Fantastic Four and Doom Patrol . Sure they are Blond, have a blond female partner/lover, and use Bow and Arrows, but they differ in personality. I read Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) and Wonderwoman, but only stayed for WonderWoman's book while I love Namor and Can't quite like Aquaman, and God the Pre and Post JSA is a better team than the New and Old JLA. Clint is more honorable than Ollie and can lead while Ollie is an Underdog type char that manages to pull of wins. I love them both in different ways, but they are not the same.

agreed

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#29 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4261 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayskee said:

I know this going to sound like a fanboy rant but I don't care cause I'm tried of people calling Hawkeye a green arrow rip off. Hawkeye was a orphan who ran away from foster care and joined a circus. Green arrow was a billionaire who was deserted on a island for 5 years. How does that make them in any way, shape or, form like each other? The only thing they have in common is that they are archers and are both rebellious. Hawkeye and Mockingbird is nothing like Green Arrow and black canary expect that both girls are blond. Hawkeye is also alot more important to the Avengers then Green Arrow every was to the justice league. Hawkeye led the avengers. Green arrow never led the justice league. So in conclusion they are almost nothing alike.

(and that both girls are named after birds)

Honestly though, I do think the characters are meant to be analogues of each other. Green Arrow was really just an analogue of Robin Hood (in the style of Batman) until Hawkeye came along; they are distinct characters, but they fill the same roles in their respective universes. It's like Namor and Aquaman started out being completely different characters, but have become more like each other as time goes on because they fill similar roles. Obviously Marvel and DC want to keep their characters distinct, but they're also influenced by each other.

Characters like Hyperion, Valkyre, or Black Cat may not be as important to the MU as Superman, Wonderwoman , or Catwoman, but then again, Major Glory is nowhere near as important to the DCU as Captain America; they're all still great characters in their own right.

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