Harry potter wizards and 'muggle' weapons, other inconsistancies

#1 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (20257 posts) - - Show Bio

As the characters from harry potter are gaining popularity on the battle forums, and interesting question arises. Why not just use bullets to shoot the death eaters dead? Famously, No magic can revive the dead, so it would've helped both the good and bad sides immensely.

Let's discuss such inconsistencies here, so that we can have a ready reference for the threads, and it will keep the threads clear of these discussions. (Hopefully).

So here we go.

Inconsistency 1: Why not use the easy way?

Direct to the problem, why no one tried to kill Lord voldemort by a sniper/machine gun? what will happen if it hits? or his head is chopped off by a sword? Does an average joe stand a chance against Voldemort if given a good quality gun?

Feel free to call on the harry potter experts/fans to discuss the urgent matters here :D

#2 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (20257 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kingjohnrocks:

@UltimateHero0406:

@morgrim:

We can continue our discussion here, and keep john's thread clean of off topic debates..

@ShootingNova:

I think you may be interested as well..

#3 Posted by Rumble Man (11073 posts) - - Show Bio

Well mr black ops guy can be dumbfounded once he has heard the concept that is horcrux

#4 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (20257 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rumble Man said:

Well mr black ops guy can be dumbfounded once he has heard the concept that is horcrux

Yes, but shooting voldemort, wouldn't it reduce him to his baby form, like magically killing him does?

#5 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13649 posts) - - Show Bio

im sure he has spies for that sort of thing.and most wizards/witches dont know or care to learn how to use this stuff. MR.Weasley didnt even know what a rubber duck does.

#6 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (20257 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

im sure he has spies for that sort of thing.and most wizards/witches dont know or care to learn how to use this stuff. MR.Weasley didnt even know what a rubber duck does.

XD true, gun is definitely harder to handle. But there are hundreds of mercenaries/soldiers available in our world for God's sake. Couldn't they just hire one like the time they did for the quidich finals? (Mr. Robert and family)

#7 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

1- it would be effective yes, but not against Voldie because of the Horcruxes

2- maybe there are enchantments and spells that protect them against those sort of technologies

3- because it would be pretty stupid to end the books like that (obviously that's the outverse perspective, the writer JK, wouldnt want to do that, but inverse, obviously they would try their best to take down Voldie even if that meant using technology, but yeah, as I already said, maybe there's some kind of protection against that)

#8 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (20257 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jorgevy said:

1- it would be effective yes, but not against Voldie because of the Horcruxes

2- maybe there are enchantments and spells that protect them against those sort of technologies

3- because it would be pretty stupid to end the books like that (obviously that's the outverse perspective, the writer JK, wouldnt want to do that, but inverse, obviously they would try their best to take down Voldie even if that meant using technology, but yeah, as I already said, maybe there's some kind of protection against that)

1. He wouldn't die, maybe, but he might become the lesser than the smallest ghost thing he did when he died once.. then keep sniping him every time he returns XD

2. Not sure, harry used to get beat up by duddly and his Gang all the time, I'm sure a gang of criminals with revolvers wouldn't have any trouble killing him.

3. Of course it'll be stupid way to end a book. But that doesn't mean it's not possible :o

#9 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@PrinceAragorn1: I guess in the HP universe is possible but Im sure JK rowling has a way to prvent that, some type of enchantement or barrier. and the guys beating on Harry didn't have guns and that was in the muggle word

#10 Posted by Nightflash (713 posts) - - Show Bio

Reason number one: wouldnt be a great fantasy book if people used guns when they have wands. Reason 2: protego or shield spell should block bullets and swords.

#11 Posted by BlackWind (7207 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nightflash said:

Reason number one: wouldnt be a great fantasy book if people used guns when they have wands. Reason 2: protego or shield spell should block bullets and swords.

Implying HP characters can time bullets?

#12 Posted by Kairan1979 (16926 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure, harry used to get beat up by duddly and his Gang all the time, I'm sure a gang of criminals with revolvers wouldn't have any trouble killing him.

That's hardly an example. Harry is not a killer. If young Tom Riddle was in Harry's place, Dudley and the others will regret trying to mess up with him.
#13 Posted by Nightwing4 (373 posts) - - Show Bio

I always thought a great ending to the series would be Voldemort getting shot by one of the muggles he so despises. It would be a fitting end for someone who look at them as scum all his life.

#14 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (20257 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nightwing4 said:

I always thought a great ending to the series would be Voldemort getting shot by one of the muggles he so despises. It would be a fitting end for someone who look at them as scum all his life.

That would be extremely funny to look at. But I wished a legendary duel to end the seris. Too bad they killed dumbledore off. Or there was no one to contend direct with voldemort :(

#15 Edited by Kingjohnrocks (2008 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow, Voldemort being "shot" is funny ? I bet it wouldn't be funny if your big boy Gandalf was shot. Not so funny now huh? A average muggle could murder Gandalf easily. But no, you LOOOOOVE Gandalf and couldn't care anything about Voldemort. This is the kinda crap that makes me angry. A average teenager with a gun COULDN'T KILL Voldemort, why so? All he needs to do is point his wand and he can make the Teenager bow to him, then he can use crucio. Plus a teenager would be thinking of beating him so much which gives Voldemort a chance to kill him.. Voldemort CAN be killed by guns, but so can Zatanna and she has frozen the Universe before and influcened Martian Manhunter's mind. She has also taken on Lobo in hell, turned bullets into paper, etc. And she was still shot by the Joker before she could utter a spell, and Superman taked her and fixed her up.

So if Za'tanna, someone who has influenced MARTIAN MANHUNTER'S MIND and has summoned Demons to aid her in battle, how in the world is there shame to dying to a bullet?

With 3 minutes prep Voldemort would be able to stomp anyone with a bullet. We all can agree that Batman would get decimated by Hulk without prep, with prep Batman would decimate Hulk. Voldemort would put up alot of defenses that would render the bullets useless, useless.

AND All made good points in my previous threads. There is a massive underestimation of Tom Riddle and it must end.

#16 Edited by ratsplat68 (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, J.K. Rowling once said that a muggle with a gun has better odds against a wizard with a wand because guns fire faster than a wizard can cast a spell. However, that's not the same to say that muggles would automatically win a war against the wizard world.

For starters, the wizards are aware of the existence guns, and in the very first book they compare it to a "a kind of metal wand that Muggles use to kill each other", and they don't appear to be very concerned about it, meaning that they either severely understimate the effects that a bullet has on a human body or they likely have already created a spell to protect them from bullets, and neither assumptions are unreasonable given the contempt that pure-blood wizards have on muggles and the fact that the wizards have invented a way to protect themselves from fire on the middle ages.But let's discount the exact effetiviness of the muggle's guns and the wizards' spells and say that the muggles decided to gang up on the wizards and tried to hunt them down. Well, it seems that the muggles will win given their superior numbers and satelite guided weaponry... provided that they know where to find the wizards. You see, in Harry Potter Universe, most technological devices doesn't work on presence of magic, unless that such devices are powered by it. And then there's the problem that wizards places like hogwarts are protect by powerful charms that make most muggles to see it like a worthless pile of rubble or some shit like that that make the wizard world pratically invisible to the muggle world for them to chase the wizards, and if there's one thing that magic and technology has in common is that, no matter how powerful is your spell or how advenced is your weapon, neither can help you if you doesn't have a change to use them, properly or at all.

But let's say that the muggles find all the locations that the wizards hide themselves and decide to wipe them out of existence... Well, nuclear weapons are out question, at least as the first option, since that, while inconsistent, the number of the Wizard World is large enough for them being scattered around the world, and in case you don't know about that, Nukes can be quite devasting to the environment and human health, and I don't believe that the muggle forces are going to resort to a tactic that will destroy their planet and then themselves in turn. But even if the Muggles resort to lesser extreme methods to exterminate the wizards, knowning the consequences of nuking the planet. Well, sorry to tell that, but there's still one problem to resolve about the wizard world: Their magical fauna!

There is a number of supernatural creatures in Harry Potter Universe that can be quite dangerous to human beings, muggle or wizard, and that are also quite capable of mass destruction, Like Trolls, Dragons, Giants, Mermaids and Giants Spiders, with the last three being setient (if not nescessarely very smart) beings, and only the wizards have any experience in handling these creatures. But let's say that the muggles respond by simply gunning down these creatures (or at least send their own zoologists to study these creatures). Far enough, most of them doesn't seem to be immune to bullets... but the catch here is most of them! There's still one magical specie that can cause some serious problem within the muggle world, and this race of creatures are the Dementors. They are a race of demons that are completely invisible to muggles, can steal a human soul and can only be hold off by, you guess, magic!

In essence, if the muggles ever succeed into killing the wizards, they still have to deal with a lot of crap that might make them regret it almost immediately. But then again, that's all but speculation from my part and I have no idea to what would really happen if Muggles and Wizards really go to war with each other, but I think that Muggles would win because they do it better, regardless of the consequeces.

Oh, and about your question, I have no idea what would happen if someone shoot Voldemort. I guess that would hurt him, but if that would be enough to kill or at least turn him back into a demoniac spirit, that's another story...

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