Harley and Ivy.. are they ONLY friends?

#101 Posted by BlackArmor (6213 posts) - - Show Bio

@RainEffect said:

I DARE you to go search the internet for Poison Ivy/Harley Quinn fanfics. Venture forth into the unknown, IF YOU DARE.

Damn now I have to erase my history Again, when will I learn not to listen when people tell me to seek out fan fics

#102 Edited by Croaker (315 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl said:

@SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26:

Nope... nothing there.

So..what did Ivy respond to that? :)

#103 Posted by Gambit1024 (10217 posts) - - Show Bio

I was just watching the Batman TAS episode the other day.

Totally gay for each other.

#104 Posted by RainEffect (3376 posts) - - Show Bio
@BlackArmor said:

@RainEffect said:

I DARE you to go search the internet for Poison Ivy/Harley Quinn fanfics. Venture forth into the unknown, IF YOU DARE.

Damn now I have to erase my history Again, when will I learn not to listen when people tell me to seek out fan fics

LOL. I warned you!
#105 Posted by Hazlenaut (2096 posts) - - Show Bio

why does every time there is duo the shipping bell automatically rings? I think we just have no imagination so we take the lazy way out. Yes I am calling most of you hacks.

#106 Posted by dementedtheclown (909 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26: Besides the fact that Ivy gave her a serum to be immune to her poison say they can "play together" and they share a bed.

#107 Posted by JakeN7 (14928 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 said:

I'm going to pretend NOT to throw up at the disgusting prospect of Harley and Ivy as lesbian lovers (Barfs guts out). It's a disgrace to what I consider 2 fantastic characters, and I hope people can get that rare thing called LOGIC through their heads that their not lesbians. It's like saying that Iron Man has a thing for Spider-Man (Barfs guts out again). Which is not true. That's a lie. And so is Harley+Ivy as lovers.

Why are you so sickened by the idea of two people of the same gender being intimate with one another? Are you a homophobe?

#108 Posted by roboadmiral (560 posts) - - Show Bio

Once again proving that the internet does not believe in platonic relationships.

#109 Posted by Ravager4 (1688 posts) - - Show Bio

@JakeN7 said:

@SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 said:

I'm going to pretend NOT to throw up at the disgusting prospect of Harley and Ivy as lesbian lovers (Barfs guts out). It's a disgrace to what I consider 2 fantastic characters, and I hope people can get that rare thing called LOGIC through their heads that their not lesbians. It's like saying that Iron Man has a thing for Spider-Man (Barfs guts out again). Which is not true. That's a lie. And so is Harley+Ivy as lovers.

Why are you so sickened by the idea of two people of the same gender being intimate with one another? Are you a homophobe?

That ^

And no one's saying they're lesbians. We're saying they're bisexual. Or at least, Harley is bisexual, and Ivy might be a lesbian, but no one's sure.

Anyway, it was 100% confirmed by Paul Dini for BTAS, so it's canon in at least the DCAU

#110 Posted by skooks (207 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 said:

I'm going to pretend NOT to throw up at the disgusting prospect of Harley and Ivy as lesbian lovers (Barfs guts out). It's a disgrace to what I consider 2 fantastic characters, and I hope people can get that rare thing called LOGIC through their heads that their not lesbians. It's like saying that Iron Man has a thing for Spider-Man (Barfs guts out again). Which is not true. That's a lie. And so is Harley+Ivy as lovers.

Homophobe alert, homophobe alert.

#111 Posted by SupBatz (2022 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm gonna go ahead and repost my opinion from a different thread...

Harley and Ivy don't seem like the kind of girls who I would label "bi" or "gay". It is definitely conceivable that the two may have a relationship and that they may hold some sort of romantic feelings for one another. But something about placing the definitive labels on their sexualities doesn't sit right with me. Harley is basically the Joker's girl - no amount of developing her and changing her relationship will ever take her away from the Joker forever. And Ivy as basically created to be the woman no man can resist who is very prone to manipulating men through her sexuality. I can't see either character being romantically interested in other women aside for one another which makes calling them homosexual seem a bit off to me.

That being said, I definitely agree that so few writers seem to display the ability to write Harley. It's not too hard to get a handle on her personality but it feels like writers unfamiliar with her don't do any more research then "Oh, she's in love with the Joker and he abuses her." smh.

I think it'd make a great story one day for a sort of love triangle to develop between Harley and Ivy and the Joker. Of course, I don't see that happening anytime soon judging by the current status of their relationships (Joker and Harley are off, Harley and Ivy apparently have yet to meet) but I hope someday that somebody will be able to touch on that.

#112 Posted by Fallen_Crippled (6473 posts) - - Show Bio

I couldn't see it happening but wouldn't mind that much if there was something more than a friendship.

#113 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (6711 posts) - - Show Bio

@JakeN7:

It's less that than the whole idea that all strong women seem to be accused of being lesbians. (Velma, Katnis, e.t.c)

#114 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (6711 posts) - - Show Bio

@skooks:

See last comment. PS, that comment I made before was pretty dumb and one I made a long time ago. Not trying to offend at all. 0_0

#115 Posted by Joygirl (20840 posts) - - Show Bio

@Croaker said:

@Joygirl said:

@SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26:

Nope... nothing there.

So..what did Ivy respond to that? :)

Sorry, missed this somehow.

She acted really shocked and suddenly vulnerable, basically went "O.O" but didn't have time to respond because Harley took the opening to K her TFO.

#116 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (6711 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl:

Yet again, my apologies. :-(

#117 Posted by akbogert (3286 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd just like to point out the extraordinary imbalance between views and comments for this thread. Can everyone please just enjoy the implications thereof?

#118 Posted by Joygirl (20840 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26: No problem. <3

@akbogert: It is very amusing.

#119 Posted by PaperDemon (684 posts) - - Show Bio

@Cosmic Sentinel said:

Harley only has eyes for Mr J.

this.

#120 Posted by marvellover1 (379 posts) - - Show Bio

@PaperDemon said:

@Cosmic Sentinel said:

Harley only has eyes for Mr J.

this.

#121 Posted by SC (14630 posts) - - Show Bio

Have you ever met a plant that you tried to date

But a year to make love she wanted you to wait

Let me tell ya a story of my situation

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The way that I met her was on tour of my cell,

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I whispered in her ear, "Come to the picture booth

So I can ask you some questions to see if your hundred proof"

I asked her her name, she said blah-blah-blah

She had grass pants and a very big flower

I took a couple of flicks and she was enthused

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she said, "I was very amused"

I started throwin' bass, she started throwin' back mid-range

But when I sprung the question, she acted kind of strange

Then when I asked, "Do ya have a man?" she tried to pretend

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Come on, I'm not even goin' for it

This is what I'm goin' sing

You, you got what I need but you say he's just a tree

And you say he's just a tree, oh baby

You, you got what I need but you say he's just a tree

But you say he's just a tree oh baby

You, you got what I need but you say he's just a tree

But you say he's just a tree

So I took blah-blah's word for it at this time

I thought just havin' a tree couldn't be no crime

'Cause I have friends and that's a fact

Like Mr J, Puddin, Clown Prince, and Joker

Forget about that, let's go into the story

About a girl named blah-blah-blah that adored me

So we started talkin', getttin' familiar

Spendin' a lot of time so we can build a

A relationship or some understanding

How it's gonna be in the robbery we was plannin'

Everything sounded so dandy and sweet

I had no idea I was in for a treat

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The tour was over and she went back to ecology school

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Jus' bust this

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And you say he's just a flower, oh baby

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But you say he's just a flower, oh baby

You, you got what I need but you say he's just a flower

But you say he's just a flower

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#122 Posted by TeamUnitedNerds (411 posts) - - Show Bio

Harley has a compulsive attraction to the Joker. But, considering how much Ivy hates men, I wouldn't be surprised if she was a lesbian

#123 Edited by ULTRAstarkiller (7522 posts) - - Show Bio

@ravager4 said:

@JakeN7 said:

@SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 said:

I'm going to pretend NOT to throw up at the disgusting prospect of Harley and Ivy as lesbian lovers (Barfs guts out). It's a disgrace to what I consider 2 fantastic characters, and I hope people can get that rare thing called LOGIC through their heads that their not lesbians. It's like saying that Iron Man has a thing for Spider-Man (Barfs guts out again). Which is not true. That's a lie. And so is Harley+Ivy as lovers.

Why are you so sickened by the idea of two people of the same gender being intimate with one another? Are you a homophobe?

That ^

And no one's saying they're lesbians. We're saying they're bisexual. Or at least, Harley is bisexual, and Ivy might be a lesbian, but no one's sure.

Anyway, it was 100% confirmed by Paul Dini for BTAS, so it's canon in at least the DCAU

When did he confirm that?

Maybe Joker gets a threesome every now and then lol. It's like Harley begs Ivy to let him join in on the fun hahahaha. lol I'm immature.

#124 Posted by Herokiller12344 (1046 posts) - - Show Bio

Nah, they're full on lesbians. Any Harley Quinn fan knows that her and Ivy are/were a thing.

#125 Edited by Breadspread (771 posts) - - Show Bio

A lot of Harley's character is based around her feeling for Joker.

However if a writer had a good story involving an Ivy/Harley hook up, that used their feelings and relationship to explore character, I'd be interested in reading that.

... but if they're trying to sensationalize girl on girl action to sell to a teen male audience, I'd totally skip that garbage.

#126 Edited by KingRobbStark (166 posts) - - Show Bio

They're not lesbians. People these days can't see beyond their sexually blinding lenses. They are friends, nothing more. Friends sleep together (in a non sexual way), play with each other (in a non sexual way), and talk about intimate things. That's just what friends do, especially girl friends.

#127 Posted by lifeofvibe (3766 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes and no you should read gotham adventures there are some pretty interesting stuff in there

#128 Edited by lifeofvibe (3766 posts) - - Show Bio
#129 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (6711 posts) - - Show Bio

A lot of Harley's character is based around her feeling for Joker.

However if a writer had a good story involving an Ivy/Harley hook up, that used their feelings and relationship to explore character, I'd be interested in reading that.

... but if they're trying to sensationalize girl on girl action to sell to a teen male audience, I'd totally skip that garbage.

THAT is what I meant by saying that I was disgusted. THANK you!

I mean, I suppose it isn't THAT bad until it's brought up over and over again. I always saw them as having a kind of an older sister (Ivy)/younger sister (Harley) which would make it kind of awkward IMO if they hooked up.

@kingrobbstark: tell that to paul dini

The only good thing Dini has done in his entire career was the creation of Harley and Batman TAS. He bastardized Wonder Woman in JLA TAS, he bastardized Poison Ivy with his TERRIBLE Harvest run in the mid-2000s, and now he's bastardizing Spider-Man in the Ultimate Spider-Man series. He sucks, and his best days are long behind him and are nothing more than a shadow of promise.

#130 Posted by lifeofvibe (3766 posts) - - Show Bio
#131 Edited by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (6711 posts) - - Show Bio
#132 Edited by ganon15 (2707 posts) - - Show Bio

@spideyivydaredevilfan26 said:

@breadspread said:

A lot of Harley's character is based around her feeling for Joker.

However if a writer had a good story involving an Ivy/Harley hook up, that used their feelings and relationship to explore character, I'd be interested in reading that.

... but if they're trying to sensationalize girl on girl action to sell to a teen male audience, I'd totally skip that garbage.

THAT is what I meant by saying that I was disgusted. THANK you!

I mean, I suppose it isn't THAT bad until it's brought up over and over again. I always saw them as having a kind of an older sister (Ivy)/younger sister (Harley) which would make it kind of awkward IMO if they hooked up.

@lifeofvibe said:

@kingrobbstark: tell that to paul dini

The only good thing Dini has done in his entire career was the creation of Harley and Batman TAS. He bastardized Wonder Woman in JLA TAS, he bastardized Poison Ivy with his TERRIBLE Harvest run in the mid-2000s, and now he's bastardizing Spider-Man in the Ultimate Spider-Man series. He sucks, and his best days are long behind him and are nothing more than a shadow of promise.

Why do you think he bastardized Wonder Woman in JL the animated series.

#133 Posted by Joygirl (20840 posts) - - Show Bio

Whoa this thread again. It's like herpes. Every time you think it's gone it's back.

#134 Posted by ganon15 (2707 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl said:

Whoa this thread again. It's like herpes. Every time you think it's gone it's back.

A disturbing similarity maybe, but I'm new to this thread.

#135 Edited by lifeofvibe (3766 posts) - - Show Bio

I noticed it to when will it end?!

#136 Edited by SupBatz (2022 posts) - - Show Bio

@lifeofvibe said:

@kingrobbstark: tell that to paul dini

The only good thing Dini has done in his entire career was the creation of Harley and Batman TAS. He bastardized Wonder Woman in JLA TAS, he bastardized Poison Ivy with his TERRIBLE Harvest run in the mid-2000s, and now he's bastardizing Spider-Man in the Ultimate Spider-Man series. He sucks, and his best days are long behind him and are nothing more than a shadow of promise.

*throwing holy water at the computer screen* BLASPHEMY!

#137 Edited by ganon15 (2707 posts) - - Show Bio

Now I know some people claim to have spoken to Timm and Dini saying that they've confirmed Harley and Ivy's "more-than-friends" relationship. IF that is true, if Bruce and Dini themselves said Harley and Ivy had something together - then they've had something together! End of argument! If you don't like it then stfu and walk away. Lol

#138 Posted by lifeofvibe (3766 posts) - - Show Bio

@supbatz: hahahahahaha sorry this is funny!

#140 Edited by Squares (8661 posts) - - Show Bio

@supbatz said:

I'm gonna go ahead and repost my opinion from a different thread...

Harley and Ivy don't seem like the kind of girls who I would label "bi" or "gay". It is definitely conceivable that the two may have a relationship and that they may hold some sort of romantic feelings for one another. But something about placing the definitive labels on their sexualities doesn't sit right with me. Harley is basically the Joker's girl - no amount of developing her and changing her relationship will ever take her away from the Joker forever. And Ivy as basically created to be the woman no man can resist who is very prone to manipulating men through her sexuality. I can't see either character being romantically interested in other women aside for one another which makes calling them homosexual seem a bit off to me.

That being said, I definitely agree that so few writers seem to display the ability to write Harley. It's not too hard to get a handle on her personality but it feels like writers unfamiliar with her don't do any more research then "Oh, she's in love with the Joker and he abuses her." smh.

I think it'd make a great story one day for a sort of love triangle to develop between Harley and Ivy and the Joker. Of course, I don't see that happening anytime soon judging by the current status of their relationships (Joker and Harley are off, Harley and Ivy apparently have yet to meet) but I hope someday that somebody will be able to touch on that.

Seriously, this is the best answer to this question I've seen.

#141 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (6711 posts) - - Show Bio

@ganon15 said:

Now I know some people claim to have spoken to Timm and Dini saying that they've confirmed Harley and Ivy's "more-than-friends" relationship. IF that is true, if Bruce and Dini themselves said Harley and Ivy had something together - then they've had something together! If you don't like it then stfu and walk away. Lol

Dini has, but he's a fat, talentless idiot with a panty fetish so I wouldn't trust him. From what I can gather, Timm hasn't, but when he does I'll trust him.

#142 Posted by Joygirl (20840 posts) - - Show Bio
#143 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (6711 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl said:

@spideyivydaredevilfan26: I'm pretty sure Timm's behind it too.

Haven't heard his word saying it. If I ever ask see him at a Con, I'll ask. But I would sooner trust Frank Miller with his opinions on Wonder Woman than Dini on Harley and Ivy.

#144 Posted by ganon15 (2707 posts) - - Show Bio
#145 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (6711 posts) - - Show Bio
#146 Posted by ganon15 (2707 posts) - - Show Bio

Let this thread live!

#147 Posted by Dr_Harlequin (546 posts) - - Show Bio

"In a universe where a girl falls madly in love with someone that she's willing to change the way she sees and lives life. She dons the costume of a Harlequin jester to show the world that she is the joker's gal."

Now, I'm not trying to be homophobic or anything, but these implications don't seem to connect with me. Saying that she has done "things" with Poison Ivy seems a little off. I mean, she's a character known for being madly in love with the Joker, having this kind of relationship with Ivy seems to demean/belittle that love with the Joker. It makes it less special to me. In a point in time where she doesn't care for the Joker, or evolves passed him, than sure. But romanticizing these two to that point while the Joker is still apart of Harley's life, like I said, seems off.

I also feel that the relationship between Harley and Ivy is more like a big sister/little sister connection. And if it's suppose to be the way Dini is trying to convey it rather than how I perceived it, than that's just even more weird for me.

All of this just seems so counter intuitive to me...it's like Ivy being a vegetarian...w-WHAT?

Sorry for bumping this thread, had to give my input for some reason. (don't hurt me!)

#148 Posted by Vitalius (3350 posts) - - Show Bio

@guano: Actually probably be more logical Oracle and Black Canary, since Gail Simone tried make Black Canary at least 75% straight.

#149 Edited by Zijuun (865 posts) - - Show Bio
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Harley & Ivy are only very good friends no matter how horny writers put it as.

Now don't ruin my childhood please. -.-

#150 Posted by Dr_Harlequin (546 posts) - - Show Bio

@zijuun: Seems off to you too, eh? One of those writers was her creator, but I don't understand why he would make a character who is madly in love with another have a sexual relationship with someone else...It doesn't add up. Sorry if I'm still reminding you of this subject, but it should still be pondered upon as people are considering this to be canon. Can't escape from it, I'm afraid.

Oh, and it seems Harley will be meeting Ivy in the New 52 soon:

"Harley and guest star Poison Ivy set out to rescue a bunch of cute puppies and kitties! What could possibly go wrong?" - From

http://www.dccomics.com/comics/harley-quinn-2013/harley-quinn-2

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