What's with excuses when he punched Batman?

#1 Posted by Firestormnuclerman (2097 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok he's one of the best martial artists dectives and non powered super hero in the DC Universe but that makes him far from as untouchable. I can't stand people giving excuses saying this was bad fan fiction.

Um not exactly seeing as Batman was being a @$$ throught most of the miniseries that got what he deserved.

Let me add in what Stewart said when he stood up to him was true if you are not afraid of Batman and not buying he's nothing more than man.

He had the ignorance to think he was going to contain Jordan when he has the most powerful weapon in the universe which isn't running out anytime soon.

#2 Posted by The_MVPs (84694 posts) - - Show Bio

Its not so much that, its the fact that the creator all but admitted he was a Batman hater. The whole mini was filled with Batman getting punked by damn near every GL in the Universe. It was pay back time for Batman's famous jaw jacking of Guy Gardner. If Hal took of the ring he'd get his ass whooped. 90% of all GL's are useless without their rings.

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#3 Posted by White Phantom (1760 posts) - - Show Bio

I think some people just use that as reasons why we should hate Hal, he never should of been made, someone should kill him, yada yada yada.

#4 Posted by White Phantom (1760 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambler says:

"Its not so much that, its the fact that the creator all but admitted he was a Batman hater. The whole mini was filled with Batman getting punked by damn near every GL in the Universe. It was pay back time for Batman's famous jaw jacking of Guy Gardner. If Hal took of the ring he'd get his ass whooped. 90% of all GL's are useless without their rings. "

And Hal is one of the 10% that aren't useless without their Rings.

#5 Posted by Kain Echnida (1750 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman deserved it.

#6 Posted by Xaon (12 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah he did deserve it, and i love batman. he was being an ass, and that IS how batman would have been. It wasnt just the writer expressing hatred.

#7 Posted by Firestormnuclerman (2097 posts) - - Show Bio

What do you mean how Batman would have been?

Besides Stewart, Jordan, I didn't see Kilowog punking him, along with Rayner, and Gardner unless you count you see that one punch line as kind of a post mocking rubbing in Bats face before going into battle.

#8 Posted by White Phantom (1760 posts) - - Show Bio

They mean that's how he would have acted.

#9 Posted by Resonate (15054 posts) - - Show Bio

Kain Echnida says:

"Batman deserved it. "
#10 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Firestormnuclerman says:

"Ok he's one of the best martial artists dectives and non powered super hero in the DC Universe but that makes him far from as untouchable. I can't stand people giving excuses saying this was bad fan fiction.Um not exactly seeing as Batman was being a @$$ throught most of the miniseries that got what he deserved.Let me add in what Stewart said when he stood up to him was true if you are not afraid of Batman and not buying he's nothing more than man.He had the ignorance to think he was going to contain Jordan when he has the most powerful weapon in the universe which isn't running out anytime soon. "

basically, and sorry to trivialize this, but who cares?

it's Batman being punched... it's not as if it hasn't happened before, Batman isn't perfect, no matter what Batman fanboy's would like you to believe...

Batman has been sucker punched plenty of times before by people with less training than Hal, so why do people fixate on this one fight?

it's just another punch, it's not like Batman has never been hit, kicked, shot, broken or whatever before

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#11 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

To sum this all up, it's really not that serious... Batman getting sucker-punched is not that big of a deal.

#12 Posted by The_MVPs (84694 posts) - - Show Bio

Bad writing.

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#13 Posted by lboy (525 posts) - - Show Bio
Kain Echnida said:
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Batman deserved it.

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Right on.
#14 Posted by speedlgt (2109 posts) - - Show Bio

Ya know I always wondered why the GL ring didnt choose Batman instead of Hal.

Batman with a yellow ring could beat Hal with his ring.  I agree I dont think Hal John or Guy can hang with Bruce with out their rings.

#15 Posted by warlock360 (28050 posts) - - Show Bio
Gambler said:
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Its not so much that, its the fact that the creator all but admitted he was a Batman hater. The whole mini was filled with Batman getting punked by damn near every GL in the Universe. It was pay back time for Batman's famous jaw jacking of Guy Gardner. If Hal took of the ring he'd get his ass whooped. 90% of all GL's are useless without their rings.

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have you taken a close look at kilowog O.O
#16 Posted by Firestormnuclerman (2097 posts) - - Show Bio

If you want bad writing it's Batman defeating Circe. Correction It's atrocious writing because DC has gone overboard with Bats winning.

#17 Posted by bumnut (1789 posts) - - Show Bio
Gambler said:
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Bad writing.

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NO! Not in this case. There was nothing bad bout it and Bats, as much as I love him, had it comming to him.
#18 Posted by tahmidk (283 posts) - - Show Bio

What was this from?

#19 Edited by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

@tahmidk said:

What was this from?

Green Lantern Rebirth.

#21 Edited by SOG7dc (7327 posts) - - Show Bio

@firestormnuclerman: i think that it was bad writing. I think rebirth as a whole was excellent but that instance was bad writing. cringe worthy really. batman is a master of every martial art on the planet right? Hals got as much a chance hitting him as bats has of bruising Superman. I think its safe to assume basic boxing is one of those arts that's he's mastered. anybody who ever boxed can tell you that your main goal is to avoid getting hit. So Hal, who no doubt has some combat training from his time in the airforce, is nowhere near batmans level when it comes to h2h. if Hal can land a punch on batman, then he should be able to do the same to slade,R'as, Talia, Shiva, Cassandra, Selina etc. im not saying that Hal is useless without his ring, but against batman and without a ring he has 0 chance.

#22 Posted by Extremis (3350 posts) - - Show Bio

@firestormnuclerman: well as gambler said, the reason some people don't like it is because it was written by Johns and he's apparently a self proclaimed Batman hater, though I have yet to see a quote or video of him saying it. But idk, Im a Batman fan and it didn't bother me really that much. Plus I'm not convinced Johns goal is to punk Bats, he wrote Earth One Batman which is supposed to be really good.

#23 Posted by Superdork (917 posts) - - Show Bio

So Batman can go head to head with the best assassins in the world--blind--by predicting their moves. Yet, Hal Jordan sucker punches him... Okay, I hope the next rando car thief doesn't try that because it could spell the end for batman--the guy who has trained in every martial art and can't afford to be caught off guard in a melee by a normal dude.

#24 Edited by BaneStrokeLoboGrundyBatArrow (1394 posts) - - Show Bio

Except for the aliens like Kilowog and humans like John Stewart (former marine), and Guy (he knocked out an alien with one punch no ring) they would still get beat, most human green lanterns and some alien would get the living sh** knocked out of them if they didn't have their rings on and they tried to fight Wayne.

#25 Posted by SOG7dc (7327 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Posted by SOG7dc (7327 posts) - - Show Bio

@extremis:

in fact now that I think of it he showed batman in the worst light possible. he was a complete failure in earth one. and now that I know the guy hates batman it makes a lot more sense

#27 Posted by MartianManhunterIsBetterThanCyborg (2243 posts) - - Show Bio

Johns hates Batman. He doesn't get the character.

#28 Posted by Extremis (3350 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc: oh idk, like I said I never read it so that could be true. But I still suspect some Johns haters could be in our midst...

#29 Posted by Extremis (3350 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc: oh, and do you have any examples as to what contributed to this complete failure in Earth one?

#30 Posted by The Stegman (24644 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh so what if Hal got a punch in? Good Grief I'm sure I can hit Bruce Lee if he wasn't expecting it, doesn't mean I can beat him in a fight.

#31 Posted by SOG7dc (7327 posts) - - Show Bio

@extremis:

none of his gadgets worked. he could barely beat up Alfred. (yes I said Alfred) he barely bet the bad guy in the end. don't get me wrong I think there was a good book underneath some of the....crap (for lack of a better term). there was never a moment where you felt like batman was batman. I felt like I was watching a spoiled brat dressed up like a bat be a jerk to the only person who cares about him (Alfred). I like some of the concepts but the execution was just awful.

#32 Edited by Avenging-X-Bolt (13269 posts) - - Show Bio

So Batman can go head to head with the best assassins in the world--blind--by predicting their moves. Yet, Hal Jordan sucker punches him... Okay, I hope the next rando car thief doesn't try that because it could spell the end for batman--the guy who has trained in every martial art and can't afford to be caught off guard in a melee by a normal dude.

I'd rather be punched by Hal than Stephanie Brown....*sigh*

#33 Edited by Avenging-X-Bolt (13269 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@firestormnuclerman: i think that it was bad writing. I think rebirth as a whole was excellent but that instance was bad writing. cringe worthy really. batman is a master of every martial art on the planet right? Hals got as much a chance hitting him as bats has of bruising Superman. I think its safe to assume basic boxing is one of those arts that's he's mastered. anybody who ever boxed can tell you that your main goal is to avoid getting hit. So Hal, who no doubt has some combat training from his time in the airforce, is nowhere near batmans level when it comes to h2h. if Hal can land a punch on batman, then he should be able to do the same to slade,R'as, Talia, Shiva, Cassandra, Selina etc. im not saying that Hal is useless without his ring, but against batman and without a ring he has 0 chance.

it goes without saying that Hal would lose to Bruce in a ringless fight. Even despite his JLA,JSA,GLC,and USAF training. but i wouldn't go so far as to say that Hal would be able to hit those character because they're supposed to be better fighters than Bruce (with the exception of Catwoman and Talia)

#34 Posted by SOG7dc (7327 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@firestormnuclerman: i think that it was bad writing. I think rebirth as a whole was excellent but that instance was bad writing. cringe worthy really. batman is a master of every martial art on the planet right? Hals got as much a chance hitting him as bats has of bruising Superman. I think its safe to assume basic boxing is one of those arts that's he's mastered. anybody who ever boxed can tell you that your main goal is to avoid getting hit. So Hal, who no doubt has some combat training from his time in the airforce, is nowhere near batmans level when it comes to h2h. if Hal can land a punch on batman, then he should be able to do the same to slade,R'as, Talia, Shiva, Cassandra, Selina etc. im not saying that Hal is useless without his ring, but against batman and without a ring he has 0 chance.

it goes without saying that Hal would lose to Bruce in a ringless fight. Even despite his JLA,JSA,GLC,and USAF training. but i wouldn't go so far as to say that Hal would be able to hit those character because they're supposed to be better fighters than Bruce (with the exception of Catwoman and Talia)

ive seen batman spank R'as. and ive read on here about him beating the others. so that's why I wrote their names in as well

#35 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13269 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@avenging_x_bolt said:

@sog7dc said:

@firestormnuclerman: i think that it was bad writing. I think rebirth as a whole was excellent but that instance was bad writing. cringe worthy really. batman is a master of every martial art on the planet right? Hals got as much a chance hitting him as bats has of bruising Superman. I think its safe to assume basic boxing is one of those arts that's he's mastered. anybody who ever boxed can tell you that your main goal is to avoid getting hit. So Hal, who no doubt has some combat training from his time in the airforce, is nowhere near batmans level when it comes to h2h. if Hal can land a punch on batman, then he should be able to do the same to slade,R'as, Talia, Shiva, Cassandra, Selina etc. im not saying that Hal is useless without his ring, but against batman and without a ring he has 0 chance.

it goes without saying that Hal would lose to Bruce in a ringless fight. Even despite his JLA,JSA,GLC,and USAF training. but i wouldn't go so far as to say that Hal would be able to hit those character because they're supposed to be better fighters than Bruce (with the exception of Catwoman and Talia)

ive seen batman spank R'as. and ive read on here about him beating the others. so that's why I wrote their names in as well

yes but i dont see how that would extend to Hal.

#36 Posted by SOG7dc (7327 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc:

if hal can hit bruce with a sucker punch. then he should be able to do the same to those other characters (assuming theyre all on bruce's level) with relative ease. my whole point is that Hal couldn't do that. so hal shouldn't be able to hit bruce with a sucker punch either. batman reads muscle movements to see how his opponent is going to attack him. but he cant see someone with far less training getting ready to punch him? and he knocked bruce to the ground if I remember correctly. so aside from him even landing a punch that he shouldn't hve landed. he was able to knock down someone physically superior to him in every way. I think we're forgetting that bruce is peak human and hal is just in good shape

#37 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13269 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@sog7dc:

if hal can hit bruce with a sucker punch. then he should be able to do the same to those other characters (assuming theyre all on bruce's level) with relative ease. my whole point is that Hal couldn't do that. so hal shouldn't be able to hit bruce with a sucker punch either. batman reads muscle movements to see how his opponent is going to attack him. but he cant see someone with far less training getting ready to punch him? and he knocked bruce to the ground if I remember correctly. so aside from him even landing a punch that he shouldn't hve landed. he was able to knock down someone physically superior to him in every way. I think we're forgetting that bruce is peak human and hal is just in good shape

doesn't Hal have a GL ring that grants him super strength and speed? you're saying with those, he could never possibly hit Batman?

#38 Posted by SOG7dc (7327 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenging_x_bolt:

it grants him that if he wills it. in this particular situation in "Rebirth" he wasn't using any power from the ring. he just hit him straight up.

#39 Edited by Avenging-X-Bolt (13269 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@avenging_x_bolt:

it grants him that if he wills it. in this particular situation in "Rebirth" he wasn't using any power from the ring. he just hit him straight up.

and how do we know that for sure? i dont ever recall it specifically stated

#40 Posted by SOG7dc (7327 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenging_x_bolt:

if u notice throughout the book whenever theyre using their rings they glow. and hal just turned around and punched him.

#41 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13269 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@avenging_x_bolt:

if u notice throughout the book whenever theyre using their rings they glow. and hal just turned around and punched him.

ahh yes. i forgot about that. i dont know, i still believe that Hal could land one on Batman if the circumstances were right. If Batman can take on white Martians hand to hand, don't see why Hal couldn't sucker punch aa peak human.

#42 Posted by sinestro_GL (3177 posts) - - Show Bio

Good grief! The level of Johns/Jordan hating is virtually leaking out of my screen.

Batman has been punched by far less capable beings than Jordan. It's just a shame that some readers have a very selective memory.

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#43 Edited by Extremis (3350 posts) - - Show Bio

@sinestro_gl: yes yes well said. Why is it so impossible to believe that Hal could punch Bats? What, Batman can't get hit now because he would see it coming!? He's not flippin' psychic! Thats why it's called a sucker punch. Hal didnt sit there and wait for Bat's notorious "prep", he just turned and punched him. Man, now I understand why Batman fans are so hated on here.

#44 Posted by Onemoreposter (4065 posts) - - Show Bio

@firestormnuclerman: Geoff Johns hates Batman and rights him like a clown. Thats the only excuse there is.

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