Hal Jordan: Kill, Fix, Reboot, Leave As Is

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Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

If you were given creative control of the DC Universe, what would you do with Hal and how would you do it?

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#1 Posted by Aiden Cross (15562 posts) - - Show Bio

Kill him, retire him, get him out of the picture, and give Kyle a chance.

#2 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Fix him, by taking him away from the Justice League and the GLC.  
 
He would remain a GL, but I'd throw him in an alternate dimension or some distant area of the galaxy and get some solid introspection on his character. There'd be no one to say how great he is or bring up Parallax, just Hal, his Ring and his Battery surviving while taking stock of his life. 

#3 Posted by BlackArmor (6138 posts) - - Show Bio

Give him his ring back, send him to an alien sector, but other wise leave as is

#4 Posted by SoA (4777 posts) - - Show Bio

let kyle become that number one guy again , i like hal as is , stuck with sinestro and sinestro telling him who is in charge .

yes im a guy gardner fan

#5 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fadetoblackbolt: I'd read it.

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#6 Posted by John Valentine (16307 posts) - - Show Bio

Urgh, no to Kyle. That's what the 90s- 2005 were for. Plus Kyle pretty much has his own book.

#7 Posted by The_Tree (7294 posts) - - Show Bio

Leave as is.

#8 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@Aiden Cross said:

Kill him, retire him, get him out of the picture, and give Kyle a chance.

#9 Posted by Anniki (67 posts) - - Show Bio

Send him back to prison - a la Emerald Dawn II. Prisoner during the day, Green Lantern at night, until he gets some sense smacked into him and he stops being so whiny. Maybe not :-) I'm with SoA - I like Sinestro telling him what to do.

#10 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio
Leave him as he is. he is the only GL that sells.
#11 Posted by Zeeguy91 (1104 posts) - - Show Bio

There's nothing wrong with him. Leave him as he is, he'll get his ring back eventually. We all know this: he can't not be a GL forever. And no to Kyle coming back and being the main GL. Kyle's about as exciting as watching paint dry. Plus, he's the star of New Guardians.

#12 Posted by The Stegman (24043 posts) - - Show Bio

Leave him as he is. Honestly I don't get the Hal hate, I personally love him..not as much as Kyle, but still.

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#13 Posted by joshmightbe (24884 posts) - - Show Bio

Kill, set on fire, pee on ashes (I Hate Hal)

#14 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

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#15 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

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#16 Posted by Backflip (2266 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

Fix him, by taking him away from the Justice League and the GLC. He would remain a GL, but I'd throw him in an alternate dimension or some distant area of the galaxy and get some solid introspection on his character. There'd be no one to say how great he is or bring up Parallax, just Hal, his Ring and his Battery surviving while taking stock of his life.

Yes.

#17 Posted by whoohoo789 (217 posts) - - Show Bio

@Aiden Cross: give kyle a chance kyle got everything hal is always in kyles shadow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#18 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

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#19 Posted by HammerTron (605 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal Jordan is the only Green Lantern that sells. Every other attempt has failed.

#20 Posted by JamesKM716 (1992 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm, i'd love to see Hal as the Ion host personally...

#21 Posted by MiniZeus (1 posts) - - Show Bio

^true

#22 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

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#23 Posted by SUNMAN (7228 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

Kill, set on fire, pee on ashes (I Hate Hal)

#24 Edited by sinestro_GL (3127 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal Jordan is a character with a HUGE personality...and I love it!

Some people just hate on everything. People criticise Superman for being a boy scout, and then people criticise Hal for being a "jerk". Wah wah wah...deal with it, people have personalities.

Hal is THE quintessential Green Lantern, and I wouldn't have it any other way!

#25 Posted by OutlawRenegade (1251 posts) - - Show Bio

Leave the character as is (that is with a personality) but get a writer who can actually write likable cocky characters

#26 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

@sinestro_GL said:

Hal Jordan is a character with a HUGE personality...and I love it!

Some people just hate on everything. People criticise Superman for being a boy scout, and then people criticise Hal for being a "jerk". Wah wah wah...deal with it, people have personalities.

We're not criticizing Hal for being a jerk. We're criticizing him for not being anything else. Wolverine is a jerk with character. Hal is a cardboard cutout.

#27 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

@AtPhantom said:

@sinestro_GL said:

Hal Jordan is a character with a HUGE personality...and I love it!

Some people just hate on everything. People criticise Superman for being a boy scout, and then people criticise Hal for being a "jerk". Wah wah wah...deal with it, people have personalities.

We're not criticizing Hal for being a jerk. We're criticizing him for not being anything else. Wolverine is a jerk with character. Hal is a cardboard cutout.

how much have you actually read with Hal?

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#28 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt: Pretty much everything up until nu52 and partially since.

#29 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

@AtPhantom said:

@Avenging-X-Bolt: Pretty much everything up until nu52 and partially since.

and in that time,you've found absolutely NOTHING to suggest that Hal int a jerk.....i find that hard to believe. but its your opinion.

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#30 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1607 posts) - - Show Bio

Leave him as is, but get him into deep space, away from everything and everyone he knows. Maybe some type of mission to find someone IDK. While out there really focus on the character, what he thinks of himself, his situation, and the universe in general. Have him come back a little wiser.

#31 Posted by briangsharon (147 posts) - - Show Bio

They will keep him on if he is starring in the Justice League film.

Now if they go with another lantern its a different story.

#32 Edited by AmonSet (156 posts) - - Show Bio

Kill him. These old heroes need to die. Every last one of them. I get that people love the characters. People grew up with them and stuff. But come on guys. They ought to die permanently sometime. People re-read their favorite books but the books have endings. New blood all around please. Kill Hal, Bruce Wayne, Bruce Banner, Kal-el, Tony Stark, Odin, etc. Come on guys. Keeping characters alive for so long tends to ruin them in my opinion. If you don't kill them, at least the stories about them should end.

#33 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

and in that time,you've found absolutely NOTHING to suggest that Hal int a jerk.....i find that hard to believe. but its your opinion.

You're confusing the issue here. Hal is a jerk. That part is completely unquestionable. What is questionable is whether he's a loveable jerk a la Han Solo, Gambit, whathaveyou, and whether he has a personality beyond 'jerk'. The answer to both in my mind is no.

You asked me how I found nothing to suggest something about his character, but the problem is that there is nothing to find. It's been, hell, it was Sinestro Corps War when Hal last had an actual character moment. Since then he's had plenty of moments that should build character, but fall flat on their ass because all they do is regurgitate the same few tired lines about him that we knew since Johns started his run. Yes, his only fear is commitment. We get it. We got it since he first chatted with Carol in freaking Rebirth. We don't need it repeated over and over again every time she shows up. Either do something it or just drop it already.

Hal hasn't been the star of his own book ever since Johns discovered there are far more interesting characters around Hal than Hal himself. As a result Hal has been left stagnant and completely underdeveloped past the first few issues of GL which were actually about him.

Do I think that can be fixed? Yeah, I think with love Hal could be a nice character. Do I think he is one now? Hell no. I'd take freaking Scrappy Doo over him right now.

#34 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

@AtPhantom said:

@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

and in that time,you've found absolutely NOTHING to suggest that Hal int a jerk.....i find that hard to believe. but its your opinion.

You're confusing the issue here. Hal is a jerk. That part is completely unquestionable. What is questionable is whether he's a loveable jerk a la Han Solo, Gambit, whathaveyou, and whether he has a personality beyond 'jerk'. The answer to both in my mind is no.

You asked me how I found nothing to suggest something about his character, but the problem is that there is nothing to find. It's been, hell, it was Sinestro Corps War when Hal last had an actual character moment. Since then he's had plenty of moments that should build character, but fall flat on their ass because all they do is regurgitate the same few tired lines about him that we knew since Johns started his run. Yes, his only fear is commitment. We get it. We got it since he first chatted with Carol in freaking Rebirth. We don't need it repeated over and over again every time she shows up. Either do something it or just drop it already.

Hal hasn't been the star of his own book ever since Johns discovered there are far more interesting characters around Hal than Hal himself. As a result Hal has been left stagnant and completely underdeveloped past the first few issues of GL which were actually about him.

Do I think that can be fixed? Yeah, I think with love Hal could be a nice character. Do I think he is one now? Hell no. I'd take freaking Scrappy Doo over him right now.

pre or post Don Messick Scrappy? (trust me, to a Scooby-Doo nerd, it matters)

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#35 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

pre or post Don Messick Scrappy? (trust me, to a Scooby-Doo nerd, it matters)

Crap... You got me there. :P

#36 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

@AtPhantom said:

@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

and in that time,you've found absolutely NOTHING to suggest that Hal int a jerk.....i find that hard to believe. but its your opinion.

You're confusing the issue here. Hal is a jerk. That part is completely unquestionable. What is questionable is whether he's a loveable jerk a la Han Solo, Gambit, whathaveyou, and whether he has a personality beyond 'jerk'. The answer to both in my mind is no.

You asked me how I found nothing to suggest something about his character, but the problem is that there is nothing to find. It's been, hell, it was Sinestro Corps War when Hal last had an actual character moment. Since then he's had plenty of moments that should build character, but fall flat on their ass because all they do is regurgitate the same few tired lines about him that we knew since Johns started his run. Yes, his only fear is commitment. We get it. We got it since he first chatted with Carol in freaking Rebirth. We don't need it repeated over and over again every time she shows up. Either do something it or just drop it already.

Hal hasn't been the star of his own book ever since Johns discovered there are far more interesting characters around Hal than Hal himself. As a result Hal has been left stagnant and completely underdeveloped past the first few issues of GL which were actually about him.

Do I think that can be fixed? Yeah, I think with love Hal could be a nice character. Do I think he is one now? Hell no. I'd take freaking Scrappy Doo over him right now.

id disagree.

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#37 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt: Elaborate?

#38 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

@AtPhantom said:

@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

pre or post Don Messick Scrappy? (trust me, to a Scooby-Doo nerd, it matters)

Crap... You got me there. :P

lol, its ok. i am the reigning expert. just for the sake of clarity post Don Messick Scrappy was he better one.

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#39 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

@AtPhantom said:

@Avenging-X-Bolt: Elaborate?

I simply cant call him after all of the good he's done. i mean he sacrificed his life to save the entire planet. thats no small feat.

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#40 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

I simply cant call him after all of the good he's done. i mean he sacrificed his life to save the entire planet. thats no small feat.

That doesn't make him not a jerk though. There are plenty of jerk superheroes who would do the same. Hell, Batman, most of the time, is a jerk. The difference is that with Batman you know and understand where his attitude is coming from, whereas Hal is simply doing it because his stereotype commands him to.

@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

lol, its ok. i am the reigning expert. just for the sake of clarity post Don Messick Scrappy was he better one.

LOL alright.

#41 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

@AtPhantom said:

@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

I simply cant call him after all of the good he's done. i mean he sacrificed his life to save the entire planet. thats no small feat.

That doesn't make him not a jerk though. There are plenty of jerk superheroes who would do the same. Hell, Batman, most of the time, is a jerk. The difference is that with Batman you know and understand where his attitude is coming from, whereas Hal is simply doing it because his stereotype commands him to.

@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

lol, its ok. i am the reigning expert. just for the sake of clarity post Don Messick Scrappy was he better one.

LOL alright.

that is true in a some amount of occasions although he only ones i can really really are the new 52 ones.

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#42 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

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#43 Posted by mysoulz (299 posts) - - Show Bio

Get rid of him...And focus on characters that needs more development like John Stewart.

#44 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

@atomicfist said:

What about Simon Baz, john and guy have the GLC, rayner has his new gaurdians so why not let baz have some light, he interacts well with others in kind of a douche bag way when he talks with the JL he says how he isnt strong enough to take them, but then says he could take batman and when Guy says "good work ZAB" and simons response is "baz" that bit made me chuckle, plus in his short time he has had some worthy feats already, willing his brother in law out of a coma

how is this relevant to the topic at all?

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#45 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

I would make Hal a black Lantern, Kyle a White Lantern, and the Green Lantern Corps would be run by Stewart, Guy, Killowag, and Baz. Just...too many Green Lanterns.

#46 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg said:

I would make Hal a black Lantern, Kyle a White Lantern, and the Green Lantern Corps would be run by Stewart, Guy, Killowag, and Baz. Just...too many white Green Lanterns.

what you really wanna say : P

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#47 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

@fodigg said:

I would make Hal a black Lantern, Kyle a White Lantern, and the Green Lantern Corps would be run by Stewart, Guy, Killowag, and Baz. Just...too many white Green Lanterns.

what you really wanna say : P

Well that's true too, but even beside that, too many male American GLs. All six of them. (Unless you count Jade.)

#48 Edited by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg said:

@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

@fodigg said:

I would make Hal a black Lantern, Kyle a White Lantern, and the Green Lantern Corps would be run by Stewart, Guy, Killowag, and Baz. Just...too many white Green Lanterns.

what you really wanna say : P

Well that's true too, but even beside that, too many male American GLs. All six of them. (Unless you count Jade.)

I was actually yanking your chain but i see your point. i'dve probably kept Hal and John s partner but thats just me. hard to believe that there was actually a time that i liked all of earth's Lanterns for their unique traits lol. what was i thinking ?

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#49 Posted by atomicfist (23 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt: Fair play

#50 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13007 posts) - - Show Bio

@atomicfist said:

@Avenging-X-Bolt: Fair play

what?

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