DBZ is inconsistent??

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#1 Edited by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio

Many of you believe how DBZ is much more inconsistent then DC or Marvel. 
Could you post scans that shows how DBZ is inconsistent so we could discuss them?
Just Manga please

#2 Posted by joshmightbe (24692 posts) - - Show Bio

its difficult to figure out the continuity of the show and the movies cause sometinmes the movies seem to mix timelines abit
#3 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" Many of you believe how DBZ is much more inconsistent then DC or Marvel.  Could you post scans that shows how DBZ is inconsistent so we could discuss them? "
It is inconsistent because the Anime makes everyone like a hundred times stronger then they are in the Manga and there are so many dubbing problems
#4 Edited by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio

We shall talk only about manga here, so if you know for some scan that makes DBZ inconsistent please post it, so we can comment it.

#5 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" We shall talk only about manga here, so if you know for some scan that makes DBZ inconsistent please post it, so we can comment it. "
Inconsistencies come from King Piccolo being able to destroy the moon for the plot but never showing that ability or strength again
#6 Edited by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus said:

" @Mortein said:

" We shall talk only about manga here, so if you know for some scan that makes DBZ inconsistent please post it, so we can comment it. "

Inconsistencies come from King Piccolo being able to destroy the moon for the plot but never showing that ability or strength again "
It was not King Piccolo who destroyed the moon, it was his "son". Earth has 1 moon, and they destroyed it twice,what else is there to destroy? Earth? 
 and their energy blasts are much more powerfull then their strength based attacks, theres no question about it.
Example: Vegeta was completely unable to hurt perfect Cell with his punches and kicks, but when he fired his full powered energy attack he almost destroyed him. (Cell regenerated oct.)
#7 Posted by jloneblackheart (5499 posts) - - Show Bio

Most of the inconsistencies are not in the manga, but in the anime. All the real problems come from the fans who combine the two or never read the manga in the first place. Throw in the movies, which don't fit into the continuity, and the god awful Dragonball GT and the inconsistencies grow much larger.  
 
Not to mention the problem with what is canon and what isn't. I've researched it a little and basically it's the fans who can't seem to decide. There were no claims that I know of of Toriyama saying "this is canon and this isn't." I'm a fan and have watched the anime and read the manga. I know what is filler and what isn't, but most people don't, and those are usually the people to claim they are the biggest fans. Since I don't know any better, I consider the filler, the movies and GT to be non-canon.
 
Another problem many have mentioned is the lack of feats, or at least the lack of an ability to compare anyone in the series to  comic characters, who have decades of reading material and feats to show. The whole idea of the power levels (since they are numerical) amplifying strength, speed, etc. makes them much more incredibly powerful than is ever shown in the manga (example: Goku lifted this much when he was this level, so he should be able to lift x times more at this level). You can only compare them to each other in the series, but not to anything else.  
 
This will forever be an endless debate that will never be settled. Nothing good comes out of comparing Dragonball characters to comic characters, and sadly there are few who really love both. In fact, most on this site either don't like it or they are just tired of it being shoved down their throats.

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#8 Posted by Red_Blade (2441 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, it is a very inconsistent piece of crap
They go from destroying moons in Dragon Ball to barely being able to destroy planets 
 
Freiza can supposedly survive Nameks explosion yet Trunks gets KO'd when Vegeta gets tossed into him

#9 Edited by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade said:

" Yes, it is a very inconsistent piece of crap They go from destroying moons in Dragon Ball to barely being able to destroy planets   Freiza can supposedly survive Nameks explosion yet Trunks gets KO'd when Vegeta gets tossed into him "

lol this is it?
they were able to easily destroyed a planets after Namek saga and they can control their energy and focus it.
besides, Frieza didn't want to destroyed a planet because he wonted to fight goku,
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Cell just wanted a challenge, and he didn't care about destroying a planet.
 but he stated many times he can easily destroy a planet, and when he became a SP Cell he even stated he has enough power to destroy a whole solar system.
Fat buu just wanted to have fun, he was even warned by babidi not to blow to hard because he could destroy a planet.
 
 
 
 


 
Kid Buu wanted to destroy a planet, and he did it, easily. 
 Only reason why they didn't destroyed a planet before is CIS and/or PIS
 
It was stated over 30 times in the comic how they can destroy a planet.  No writer is so stupid to write that over 30x, unless they really can do it. Besides, they didn’t just said it, they based their action and strategies on the fact that their enemies can destroy earth whenever they feel like it.

Lots of DBZ characters can read mind, and all of them can sense how powerful someone is, so they would know if someone was lying.

 
Frieza survived explosion of namek, and why wouldn't he? Nappa survived attacks from Moon busters.
Besides even before Namek exploded Frieza knew he was going to survive it
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
And Vegeta and Trunks got beaten by someone far superior then they are in every way, don't know what is so strange about that.
#10 Posted by Red_Blade (2441 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
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lol this is it?
they were able to easily destroyed a planets after Namek"
 

Really? And how many characters actually destroyed a planet after Namek? Oh thats right, ONE
 
@Mortein said:
"but he stated many times he can easily destroy a planet, and when he became a SP Cell he even stated he has enough power to destroy a whole solar system. "

Stating, and actually doing something are 2 very different things, until Cell actually destroys a planet or a solar system, he isn't a planet or a solar system buster PERIOD
 
@Mortein said:
"Fat buu just wanted to have fun, he was even warned by babidi not to blow to hard because he could destroy a planet. "

See above
 
@Mortein said:
" It was stated over 30 times in the comic how they can destroy a planet.  No writer is so stupid to write that over 30x, unless they really can do it. "
None of this matters, only one character in the entire franchise has fully destroyed a planet on panel, therefore he is the only planet buster in the entire series
 
@Mortein said:
"

Lots of DBZ characters can read mind, and all of them can sense how powerful someone is, so they would know if someone was lying."


No they can't, I count one character that was able to read someones mind, one that was able to read someones mind by through physical contact, and 3 or 4 that can communicate telepathically.  
 
Sensing how powerful someone is doesn't grant them the ability to tell if someone is lying or not, and even so, this issue was never addressed in the series, if someone said they can destroy a planet, they don't question it, they focus on trying to stop them.
 
@Mortein said:
"      And Vegeta and Trunks got beaten by someone far superior then they are in every way, don't know what is so strange about that. "


 It doesn't matter if they are more powerful.  18 threw Vegeta into Trunks and Trunks was KO'd
#11 Edited by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

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lol this is it?
they were able to easily destroyed a planets after Namek"
 

Really? And how many characters actually destroyed a planet after Namek? Oh thats right, ONE
 
"
It is a fact they did not destroyed any planet after Namek (unless we count a king kais planet, which inst actually a planet) until the very end, but that does not prove they were unable to destoy it. And there are lots of thing that implies how they can destroy a planet, from namek Saga forward.
and 18 threw vegeta with superior strength and speed at trunks and knocked him out, don't know how this proves inconsistency. 
  

 No they can't, I count one character that was able to read someones mind, one that was able to read someones mind by through physical contact, and 3 or 4 that can communicate telepathically.  
 
Sensing how powerful someone is doesn't grant them the ability to tell if someone is lying or not, and even so, this issue was never addressed in the series, if someone said they can destroy a planet, they don't question it, they focus on trying to stop them. 

   well you counted wrong
 
 
plus Goku, master Roshi, King Kai and probably some other characters.
 

 

 
 
 
 
 of course they don't question it, when they know they are not lying.
IMO 

  What would be the biggest thing they could destroy with they full powered energy blast? 

Roshi - Moon

King Piccolo - more then 1/43 of earth

Nappa - Mars size objects

Vegeta (saiyan saga) - Planets bigger then Earth

Frieza (base form) - Big gas planets (but smaller then Jupiter)

Frieza (final form) - Planets much bigger then Jupiter

SP Cell - stars slightly bigger then Sun

SSJ 3 Goku - big stars (but not the biggest ones)

#12 Posted by Red_Blade (2441 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" (unless we count a king kais planet, which inst actually a planet)
Actually, thank you for proving another point of mine, Cells bomb which supposedly would of destroyed the Earth only managed to destroy King Kai;s planet which is the size of my back yard
 
@Mortein said:
"And there are lots of thing that implies how they can destroy a planet, from namek Saga forward.  "
There is nothing to imply very few of them have shown the capability to destroy a planet
 
@Mortein said:
"18 threw vegeta with superior strength and speed at trunks and knocked him out, don't know how this proves inconsistency. "

So Freeza, who can survive Nameks explosion, yet Trunks, who couldn't survive a 132lb man being thrown to into him, Android 18 has what? Class 10 maybe 15 ton strength at the most? [and that's being generous] This is inconsistency, not to mention all of those times Vegeta got one shotted by Cell.  If you are trying to prove that DBZ is not consistent, then you should stop now, because you are going to fail miserably
 
@Mortein said:
" IMO 

  What would be the biggest thing they could destroy with they full powered energy blast? 

Roshi - Moon

King Piccolo - more then 1/43 of earth

Nappa - Mars size objects

Vegeta (saiyan saga) - Planets bigger then Earth

Frieza (base form) - Big gas planets (but smaller then Jupiter)

Frieza (final form) - Planets much bigger then Jupiter

SP Cell - stars slightly bigger then Sun

SSJ 3 Goku - big stars (but not the biggest ones)

"

Unfortunately, your opinion holds no validity and would be equivalent to me saying Batman can beat the entire DBZ cast with no prep time
 
Except for Roshi, none of them have ever shown the capability to do any of that or even close.  Right now you are just spreading complete bullsh*t for the sake of your fan wankery, and its getting old now. 
#13 Posted by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" (unless we count a king kais planet, which inst actually a planet)

Actually, thank you for proving another point of mine, Cells bomb which supposedly would of destroyed the Earth only managed to destroy King Kai;s planet which is the size of my back yard
 
@Mortein said:

"And there are lots of thing that implies how they can destroy a planet, from namek Saga forward.  "

There is nothing to imply very few of them have shown the capability to destroy a planet
 
@Mortein said:

"18 threw vegeta with superior strength and speed at trunks and knocked him out, don't know how this proves inconsistency. "


So Freeza, who can survive Nameks explosion, yet Trunks, who couldn't survive a 132lb man being thrown to into him, Android 18 has what? Class 10 maybe 15 ton strength at the most? [and that's being generous] This is inconsistency, not to mention all of those times Vegeta got one shotted by Cell.  If you are trying to prove that DBZ is not consistent, then you should stop now, because you are going to fail miserably
 
"
How do you know what was the size of Cell bomb explosion?
Like stating it over 30 times how they can destroy a planet, being much more powerful then moon busters, basing their actions and strategies on the fact that their enemies can destroy earth and in the end actually destroying Earth does not imply they are able to destroy it? 
 
I consider 18 to be much stronger then that, why do you think she is class 10-15? As far as I remember she never lifted anything.
#14 Posted by Red_Blade (2441 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" (unless we count a king kais planet, which inst actually a planet)

Actually, thank you for proving another point of mine, Cells bomb which supposedly would of destroyed the Earth only managed to destroy King Kai;s planet which is the size of my back yard
 
@Mortein said:

"And there are lots of thing that implies how they can destroy a planet, from namek Saga forward.  "

There is nothing to imply very few of them have shown the capability to destroy a planet
 
@Mortein said:

"18 threw vegeta with superior strength and speed at trunks and knocked him out, don't know how this proves inconsistency. "


So Freeza, who can survive Nameks explosion, yet Trunks, who couldn't survive a 132lb man being thrown to into him, Android 18 has what? Class 10 maybe 15 ton strength at the most? [and that's being generous] This is inconsistency, not to mention all of those times Vegeta got one shotted by Cell.  If you are trying to prove that DBZ is not consistent, then you should stop now, because you are going to fail miserably
 
"
How do you know what was the size of Cell bomb explosion? Like stating it over 30 times how they can destroy a planet, being much more powerful then moon busters, basing their actions and strategies on the fact that their enemies can destroy earth and in the end actually destroying Earth does not imply they are able to destroy it?   I consider 18 to be much stronger then that, why do you think she is class 10-15? As far as I remember she never lifted anything. "
Why didnt it destroy Snake way then?  No, 2 are certifiable moon busters.  
 
You keep saying they can bust planets and stars without a credible feats, their strategies don't matter, they have never shown the ability to destroy a planet or a star so therefore they aren't planet or star busters
 
Do I need to spell this out with macaroni and glitter for you?
 
Saying she is 10-15 was being generous, Goku couldnt hold up 40 tons and he was much stronger then the androids were at that time.  
But that isn't my point anyway,  she threw Vegeta into Trunks and he was KO'd..its an inconsistent piece of crap, no matter how much you cry and bitch about it, you can't change that fact
#15 Posted by NagolNuff (2493 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade: ...you a big ass backyard then /./
#16 Edited by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" (unless we count a king kais planet, which inst actually a planet)

Actually, thank you for proving another point of mine, Cells bomb which supposedly would of destroyed the Earth only managed to destroy King Kai;s planet which is the size of my back yard
 

@Mortein

said:

"And there are lots of thing that implies how they can destroy a planet, from namek Saga forward.  "

There is nothing to imply very few of them have shown the capability to destroy a planet
 

@Mortein

said:

"18 threw vegeta with superior strength and speed at trunks and knocked him out, don't know how this proves inconsistency. "


So Freeza, who can survive Nameks explosion, yet Trunks, who couldn't survive a 132lb man being thrown to into him, Android 18 has what? Class 10 maybe 15 ton strength at the most? [and that's being generous] This is inconsistency, not to mention all of those times Vegeta got one shotted by Cell.  If you are trying to prove that DBZ is not consistent, then you should stop now, because you are going to fail miserably
 
"
How do you know what was the size of Cell bomb explosion? Like stating it over 30 times how they can destroy a planet, being much more powerful then moon busters, basing their actions and strategies on the fact that their enemies can destroy earth and in the end actually destroying Earth does not imply they are able to destroy it?   I consider 18 to be much stronger then that, why do you think she is class 10-15? As far as I remember she never lifted anything. "
Why didnt it destroy Snake way then?  No, 2 are certifiable moon busters.    You keep saying they can bust planets and stars without a credible feats, their strategies don't matter, they have never shown the ability to destroy a planet or a star so therefore they aren't planet or star busters  Do I need to spell this out with macaroni and glitter for you?  Saying she is 10-15 was being generous, Goku couldnt hold up 40 tons and he was much stronger then the androids were at that time.   But that isn't my point anyway,  she threw Vegeta into Trunks and he was KO'd..its an inconsistent piece of crap, no matter how much you cry and bitch about it, you can't change that fact "
 

First of all snake road is about 1 000 000 km, long, and we have seen only little part of it survive, and with the rest we do not know what happened.  Earth radius is 6371 km.

Second, the durability of snake road is unknown. Snake road is a mystical road from the other dimension, as far as we know it could even be immune to physical damage. 
We do know however that it is over 100 million years old, and that still looks like new, regardless no one ever serviced it, and this is impossible unless it has great durability.

 
Besides look at scans and you shall see that the end of Road is different, which means one part of road was destroyed.


 
 

 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
As far as we know the explosion could have been this big

 
 
 
 

About Goku and 40 ton
We do not know the gravity of a planet goku was on. Since Goku used that planet for training it is logical to assume how that planet had gravity much bigger than earth. Of course, that would be speculation, but even bigger speculation would be to say how some random unknown planet in some other dimension has the same gravity as earth.

   
Goku obviously was powered down when he struggled with 40 T. DBZ characters are always powered down, except during intensive fights. We do not know what gokus power level was, but it probably was around 5000(speculation). After he powered up, moving with 40T in super speed, was peace of cake, to easy, so he obviously powered up to much.Ofc, he didn’t have to power up all the way to SSJ1, which we see, ,when he said “now is to easy”

So since we do not know the gravity of a planet, nor do we know how much powered down goku was, that feat tell us nothing more than that goku at power level 15 000 000+ , on a planet with unknown gravity can easily move in super speed with 10T (or maybe even 40T) on each limb, so basically that feat tells us nothing. 

DBZ characters use their Ki energy to boost their speed, strength, durability ect.

It is possible that Goku used to much energy to bust his speed, at left to little for strength, just like Trunks boosted his strength to much, in fight with Cell.

 
Even if we assume goku was powered up as much as he can be in his base form, (which he probably wasn’t), and if we assume planets gravity is the same as earths (which probably isn’t) Goku still wasn’t using his KK attack. So if goku without KK lifted 40T, with KK his strength would be doubled 40+40=80T, and if he used KKx20 than his strength would be 40+40x20=840T, and SSJ1 form is much stronger than Goku KKx20. So could some of you please stop with nonsense about goku not even being class 100? 
 

 
 
 
 
 

   
 
Besides, if Goku really was as weak as some of you think he was, then guys like Buu, or Cell could have crushed him with their TK. But their real strength is much bigger then their TK which is why they rarely even use TK in battles.

   
Cell lifted huge boulder, definitely much heavier then 100 T,

   



 
 
 
 
 
Buu lifted all the people in one city, which should weight over 10 000 T

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
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#17 Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy (7601 posts) - - Show Bio

The biggest inconsistent is the infamous 'Dragonball Z Minute'.
 
Frieza: "I give Namek 5 minutes before it blows up'
 
-5 episodes later-
 
Frieza: "Just one more minute before namek blows.."
 
-2 episodes later-
 
Goku: "Nameks blowing up!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
 
Its......................funny. thank god for dragonball kai

#18 Posted by Tiro-level Redeem (4 posts) - - Show Bio
@NagolNuff said:
" @Red_Blade: ...you a big ass backyard then /./ "

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#19 Posted by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio
@BiteMe-Fanboy said:
" The biggest inconsistent is the infamous 'Dragonball Z Minute'.  Frieza: "I give Namek 5 minutes before it blows up'  -5 episodes later-  Frieza: "Just one more minute before namek blows.."  -2 episodes later-  Goku: "Nameks blowing up!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!  Its......................funny. thank god for dragonball kai "
we are using only manga here.
#20 Posted by iLLituracy (13537 posts) - - Show Bio
@BiteMe-Fanboy said:
" The biggest inconsistent is the infamous 'Dragonball Z Minute'.  Frieza: "I give Namek 5 minutes before it blows up'  -5 episodes later-  Frieza: "Just one more minute before namek blows.."  -2 episodes later-  Goku: "Nameks blowing up!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!  Its......................funny. thank god for dragonball kai "
Word.
#21 Posted by The Devil Tiger (1263 posts) - - Show Bio
@jloneblackheart said:
"Most of the inconsistencies are not in the manga, but in the anime. All the real problems come from the fans who combine the two or never read the manga in the first place. Throw in the movies, which don't fit into the continuity, and the god awful Dragonball GT and the inconsistencies grow much larger.   Not to mention the problem with what is canon and what isn't. I've researched it a little and basically it's the fans who can't seem to decide. There were no claims that I know of of Toriyama saying "this is canon and this isn't." I'm a fan and have watched the anime and read the manga. I know what is filler and what isn't, but most people don't, and those are usually the people to claim they are the biggest fans. Since I don't know any better, I consider the filler, the movies and GT to be non-canon.  Another problem many have mentioned is the lack of feats, or at least the lack of an ability to compare anyone in the series to  comic characters, who have decades of reading material and feats to show. The whole idea of the power levels (since they are numerical) amplifying strength, speed, etc. makes them much more incredibly powerful than is ever shown in the manga (example: Goku lifted this much when he was this level, so he should be able to lift x times more at this level). You can only compare them to each other in the series, but not to anything else.    This will forever be an endless debate that will never be settled. Nothing good comes out of comparing Dragonball characters to comic characters, and sadly there are few who really love both. In fact, most on this site either don't like it or they are just tired of it being shoved down their throats. "

This.
#22 Posted by iLLituracy (13537 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm pretty sure Toriyama himself considers the movies and GT to be non-canon.

#23 Posted by Blackestnight (640 posts) - - Show Bio
@jloneblackheart: Goku was based on superman so said his creator and he has the same origin story as do many of his enemies like Cell.
 
As far as speed goes, Goku has instant transmission aka telaportation. As far as strength goes the best numerical data you can get to compare to other comic book characters in from Vegita's training. Prior to going super Saiaijin he was in Bulma's tech training at 600 times earth's gravity. And lifting not only himself but weights. So needless to say although that is not limitless, it is extremely strong. Vegita's punches are able to do some damage to any DBZ character including Goku. That's also without the assistance from flight. At super saiaiijin (sayan) level one, they were able to defeat those with the means to blow up planets. They definitely all seem to have more martial arts training than most comic book characters aside from those who specialize in it. 
 
Because of time travel and advanced technology we can see futuristic tanks etc firing on these guys at their lowest levels and they are able to deal with it. So assuming weapons of the future are greater than they are now, this is some pretty heavy fire power. Sure it's not a Green Lantern Ring blast or Omega beams, but it's powerful blast. 
 
Were i to guess I would say DBZ characters are like superman minus the super hearing and sight and smell, frost breath, and x-ray vision, but they have the strength, speed, and fortitude but no weaknesses to kryptonite or red sun light. However they do become beasts under the new moons. And they have more projectiles and none are as smart as Superman aside from maybe Vegita. 
 
At GT levels however it is ridiculous. They are god like Thor/Sentry level beings.
#24 Edited by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio

Most posts here are about anime, even though I have said we are discussing only inconsistencys in comic. Leave anime out of this. 
 @jloneblackheart nice post

#25 Posted by Red_Blade (2441 posts) - - Show Bio
@Blackestnight said:
" Prior to going super Saiaijin he was in Bulma's tech training at 600 times earth's gravity. And lifting not only himself but weights. "
It was 300x normal gravity, at Vegeta;'s weight this would be around 15-20 tons which would of put his strength level around Spider Mans
 
@Blackestnight said:
"At super saiaiijin (sayan) level one, they were able to defeat those with the means to blow up planets. T"

They also got annihilated by Androids, who didn't have the means to blow up a planet
 
Trunks gets KO'd when Vegeta gets thrown into him
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
@Blackestnight said:
"  Were i to guess I would say DBZ characters are like superman minus the super hearing and sight and smell, frost breath, and x-ray vision, but they have the strength, speed, and fortitude  "

This guess would be wrong, DBZ characters have never shown physical stats anywhere near Supermans level, they struggle with 40 tons of weight, they get one shotted by characters who aren't even class 100, and are no where near as fast either.
 
@Blackestnight said:
" However they do become beasts under the new moons. "
Yeah, beast that get their tails cut off by overweight Samurai's
 
@Blackestnight said:
" At GT levels however it is ridiculous. They are god like Thor/Sentry level beings. "

Sentry was beaten by Jim Hammond so I hardly consider him a godlike being
 
Also, Super Saiyan 4 Goku was cut by glass and was unable to escape being frozen in ice, so no, he is no where near Thor's level.
#26 Posted by Red_Blade (2441 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
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About Goku and 40 ton

We do not know the gravity of a planet goku was on. Since Goku used that planet for training it is logical to assume how that planet had gravity much bigger than earth. Of course, that would be speculation, but even bigger speculation would be to say how some random unknown planet in some other dimension has the same gravity as earth.
Until you show proof of Grand Kai's planet having greater Gravity then Earth, it was 40 tons and only 40 tons.
The only planet in other world that was confirmed to have higher gravity was King Kais planet.
 
@Mortein said:
" So could some of you please stop with nonsense about goku not even being class 100? "
Can you stop the nonsense of Goku being able to destroy stars without a shred of evidence? No you can't because thats what trolls like you do, repeat the same crap over and over again...your fan wanking is getting old..
 
@Mortein said:
"
 

Besides, if Goku really was as weak as some of you think he was, then guys like Buu, or Cell could have crushed him with their TK."

Did they actually try using TK on them? No, and these powers are given to them by the writers for storyline purposes, how else would Cell have built his ring? How else would Buu have devoured all of those people?  
 
Mortien, you truly are an idiot
#27 Edited by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade said:

Until you show proof of Grand Kai's planet having greater Gravity then Earth, it was 40 tons and only 40 tons.
The only planet in other world that was confirmed to have higher gravity was King Kais planet.

That planet has unknown gravity, this is the only fact. 
My opinion is that it has gravity bigger then Earth and I have stated my reasons.
You opinion is that it has a gravity the same as earth, and I haven't hear your reasons why do you think so.
Regardless all this, even if you could prove that the gravity of that  planet was as big as earths (which you can't) we still don't know how much powered down goku was, therefore this feat is completely useless.

Can you stop the nonsense of Goku being able to destroy stars without a shred of evidence? No you can't because thats what trolls like you do, repeat the same crap over and over again...your fan wanking is getting old..

What actually do you disagree here with? 
You don't think that KK attack doubles your strength?, or you don't think Goku was able to perform KKx20? or you don't think SSJ is stronger then KK? or what?
 
And I don't think I have ever said Goku can destroy stars (if I did, that was wrong). Since Goku never destroyed a star we can't be 100% sure that he can. Each time I would said something like that I would use words like Probably or most likely or IMO. 
Here I shall say it again: Goku SSJ3 most likely can blow up most stars.

Did they actually try using TK on them? No, and these powers are given to them by the writers for storyline purposes, how else would Cell have built his ring? How else would Buu have devoured all of those people?    Mortien, you truly are an idiot "

Of course they didn't. It would be stupid to even try since their strength is so much superior to their TK abilities, I think they wouldn't even felt it.
Actually Frieza once used his TK to trow some rocks at Goku during their fight.
#28 Posted by Red_Blade (2441 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
 Actually Frieza once used his TK to trow some rocks at Goku during their fight. "
Filler
 
@Mortein said:
"That planet has unknown gravity, this is the only fact. "

Therefore, it was 40 tons and 40 tons only PERIOD until evidence is provided otherwise
 
@Mortein said:
"
Here I shall said it again: Goku SSJ3 most likely can blow up most stars.
 "


Here I shall say it again, you are a moron
No he cannot and he has never shown power anywhere near this level
 
You fail and fail and fail yet again
#29 Posted by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

 Actually Frieza once used his TK to trow some rocks at Goku during their fight. "
Filler 
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Therefore, it was 40 tons and 40 tons only PERIOD until evidence is provided otherwise

Unless you can prove the gravity of that planet and unless you can prove how much was goku powered down, this feat is meaningless.
#30 Posted by Red_Blade (2441 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

 Actually Frieza once used his TK to trow some rocks at Goku during their fight. "
Filler 
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Therefore, it was 40 tons and 40 tons only PERIOD until evidence is provided otherwise

Unless you can prove the gravity of that planet and unless you can prove how much was goku powered down, this feat is meaningless. "
That wasn't what I was talking about you moron, I was talking about when Freeza lifted that big rock and Goku tried to catch it
 
It was 40 tons unless proven otherwise, they even flat out said 40 TONS or 10 TONS on each limb, they never said anything about the gravity of the planet
 
Fail troll fails again
#31 Posted by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade said:
" @Mortein said:
" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

 Actually Frieza once used his TK to trow some rocks at Goku during their fight. "
Filler 
Looks like you failed again.
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Therefore, it was 40 tons and 40 tons only PERIOD until evidence is provided otherwise

Unless you can prove the gravity of that planet and unless you can prove how much was goku powered down, this feat is meaningless. "
That wasn't what I was talking about you moron, I was talking about when Freeza lifted that big rock and Goku tried to catch it
 
It was 40 tons unless proven otherwise, they even flat out said 40 TONS or 10 TONS on each limb, they never said anything about the gravity of the planet  Fail troll fails again "
It was 40 T under unknown gravity and while Goku was powered down to unknown PL.So unless you can prove that planet had the same gravity as earth and unless you can tell me at what PL Goku was stop using this feat.
#32 Posted by Red_Blade (2441 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" @Red_Blade said:
" @Mortein said:
" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

 Actually Frieza once used his TK to trow some rocks at Goku during their fight. "
Filler 
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Therefore, it was 40 tons and 40 tons only PERIOD until evidence is provided otherwise

Unless you can prove the gravity of that planet and unless you can prove how much was goku powered down, this feat is meaningless. "
That wasn't what I was talking about you moron, I was talking about when Freeza lifted that big rock and Goku tried to catch it
 
It was 40 tons unless proven otherwise, they even flat out said 40 TONS or 10 TONS on each limb, they never said anything about the gravity of the planet  Fail troll fails again "
It was 40 T under unknown gravity and while Goku was powered down to unknown PL.So unless you can prove that planet had the same gravity as earth and unless you can tell me at what PL Goku was stop using this feat. "
It was 40 tons period, you are speculating about the gravity, they said it was 40 tons, so it was 40 tons
#33 Edited by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

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" @Mortein said:

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" @Mortein said:

 Actually Frieza once used his TK to trow some rocks at Goku during their fight. "

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Therefore, it was 40 tons and 40 tons only PERIOD until evidence is provided otherwise

Unless you can prove the gravity of that planet and unless you can prove how much was goku powered down, this feat is meaningless. "
That wasn't what I was talking about you moron, I was talking about when Freeza lifted that big rock and Goku tried to catch it
 
It was 40 tons unless proven otherwise, they even flat out said 40 TONS or 10 TONS on each limb, they never said anything about the gravity of the planet  Fail troll fails again "
It was 40 T under unknown gravity and while Goku was powered down to unknown PL.So unless you can prove that planet had the same gravity as earth and unless you can tell me at what PL Goku was stop using this feat. "
It was 40 tons period, you are speculating about the gravity, they said it was 40 tons, so it was 40 tons "
No you are speculating about gravity. You are saying, without proof, how that planet has the same gravity as earth. I am saying I don't know what is the gravity of that planet, nor do you.
#34 Edited by Red_Blade (2441 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

 Actually Frieza once used his TK to trow some rocks at Goku during their fight. "
Filler 
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Therefore, it was 40 tons and 40 tons only PERIOD until evidence is provided otherwise

Unless you can prove the gravity of that planet and unless you can prove how much was goku powered down, this feat is meaningless. "
That wasn't what I was talking about you moron, I was talking about when Freeza lifted that big rock and Goku tried to catch it
 
It was 40 tons unless proven otherwise, they even flat out said 40 TONS or 10 TONS on each limb, they never said anything about the gravity of the planet  Fail troll fails again "
It was 40 T under unknown gravity and while Goku was powered down to unknown PL.So unless you can prove that planet had the same gravity as earth and unless you can tell me at what PL Goku was stop using this feat. "
It was 40 tons period, you are speculating about the gravity, they said it was 40 tons, so it was 40 tons "
No you are speculating about gravity. You are saying, without pro of, how that planet has the same gravity as earth. I am saying I don't know what is the gravity of that planet, nor you do you. "
The only place that has ever had higher then normal gravity in other world was King Kai's planet
 
Supreme Kai's planet at normal gravity, otherwise Satan and his dog would been crushed to death on the planet
 
So its fair to assume that Grand Kai's planet had normal gravity unless otherwise stated
 
It was 40 tons, they even said and I quote "10 tons on each"
#35 Posted by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

 Actually Frieza once used his TK to trow some rocks at Goku during their fight. "
Filler 
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Therefore, it was 40 tons and 40 tons only PERIOD until evidence is provided otherwise

Unless you can prove the gravity of that planet and unless you can prove how much was goku powered down, this feat is meaningless. "
That wasn't what I was talking about you moron, I was talking about when Freeza lifted that big rock and Goku tried to catch it
 
It was 40 tons unless proven otherwise, they even flat out said 40 TONS or 10 TONS on each limb, they never said anything about the gravity of the planet  Fail troll fails again "
It was 40 T under unknown gravity and while Goku was powered down to unknown PL.So unless you can prove that planet had the same gravity as earth and unless you can tell me at what PL Goku was stop using this feat. "
It was 40 tons period, you are speculating about the gravity, they said it was 40 tons, so it was 40 tons "
No you are speculating about gravity. You are saying, without pro of, how that planet has the same gravity as earth. I am saying I don't know what is the gravity of that planet, nor you do you. "
Listen moron, the only place that has ever had higher then normal gravity in other world was King Kai's planet
 
Supreme Kai's planet at normal gravity, otherwise Satan and his dog would been crushed to death on the planet
 
So its fair to assume that Grand Kai's planet had normal gravity unless otherwise stated  It was 40 tons, they even said and I quote "10 tons on each" "
Planet Vegeta and King Kais planet had 10x, Namek and Supreme Kai's planet had Gravity  similar to earth This is what I know. 
 Grand Kai's planet has unknown gravity unless you can prove otherwise everything other is speculation.
#36 Posted by Red_Blade (2441 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

 Actually Frieza once used his TK to trow some rocks at Goku during their fight. "
Filler 
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Therefore, it was 40 tons and 40 tons only PERIOD until evidence is provided otherwise

Unless you can prove the gravity of that planet and unless you can prove how much was goku powered down, this feat is meaningless. "
That wasn't what I was talking about you moron, I was talking about when Freeza lifted that big rock and Goku tried to catch it
 
It was 40 tons unless proven otherwise, they even flat out said 40 TONS or 10 TONS on each limb, they never said anything about the gravity of the planet  Fail troll fails again "
It was 40 T under unknown gravity and while Goku was powered down to unknown PL.So unless you can prove that planet had the same gravity as earth and unless you can tell me at what PL Goku was stop using this feat. "
It was 40 tons period, you are speculating about the gravity, they said it was 40 tons, so it was 40 tons "
No you are speculating about gravity. You are saying, without pro of, how that planet has the same gravity as earth. I am saying I don't know what is the gravity of that planet, nor you do you. "
Listen moron, the only place that has ever had higher then normal gravity in other world was King Kai's planet
 
Supreme Kai's planet at normal gravity, otherwise Satan and his dog would been crushed to death on the planet
 
So its fair to assume that Grand Kai's planet had normal gravity unless otherwise stated  It was 40 tons, they even said and I quote "10 tons on each" "
Planet Vegeta and King Kais planet had 10x, Namek and Supreme Kai's planet had Gravity  similar to earth This is what I know.   Grand Kai's planet has unknown gravity unless you can prove otherwise everything other is speculation. "
It was 40 tons unless stated otherwise, you dont get to make the assumptions of gravity on other planets, I am not making an assumption of the gravity, I am stating a fact because they said and I quote "10 tons on each" so its 40 tons total unless stated otherwise
 
I have facts on my side, you are just speculating because you cant hop off of Goku's nuts
#37 Posted by DeathDefyingDevil (722 posts) - - Show Bio

Dragon Ball Z is the best anime ever! It is not that inconsistent. Neither are DC or Marvel.

#38 Posted by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade said:
" It was 40 tons unless stated otherwise, you dont get to make the assumptions of gravity on other planets, I am not making an assumption of the gravity, I am stating a fact because they said and I quote "10 tons on each" so its 40 tons total unless stated otherwise  I have facts on my side, you are just speculating because you cant hop off of Goku's nuts "
What am I speculating about? I am saying I don't know the gravity of that planet, this is fact. Do you know the gravity of planet? If you do show me a scan where it's gravity was stated.
#39 Posted by Red_Blade (2441 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" @Red_Blade said:
" It was 40 tons unless stated otherwise, you dont get to make the assumptions of gravity on other planets, I am not making an assumption of the gravity, I am stating a fact because they said and I quote "10 tons on each" so its 40 tons total unless stated otherwise  I have facts on my side, you are just speculating because you cant hop off of Goku's nuts "
What am I speculating about? I am saying I don't know the gravity of that planet, this is fact. Do you know the gravity of planet? If you do show me a scan where it's gravity was stated. "
Do you? I am not speculating about the gravity, you are.  I am stating a fact, it was 40 tons because the Kais said 10 tons on each limb.
 
You are speculating the gravity because you are a DBZ pole jocker that can't accept that they are weak characters.  
 
Until you show proof that it was more then 40 tons, it was 40 tons period stated by both North and South Kai
 
/End
#40 Edited by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" It was 40 tons unless stated otherwise, you dont get to make the assumptions of gravity on other planets, I am not making an assumption of the gravity, I am stating a fact because they said and I quote "10 tons on each" so its 40 tons total unless stated otherwise  I have facts on my side, you are just speculating because you cant hop off of Goku's nuts "
What am I speculating about? I am saying I don't know the gravity of that planet, this is fact. Do you know the gravity of planet? If you do show me a scan where it's gravity was stated. "
Do you? I am not speculating about the gravity, you are.  I am stating a fact, it was 40 tons because the Kais said 10 tons on each limb.  You are speculating the gravity because you are a DBZ pole jocker that can't accept that they are weak characters.    Until you show proof that it was more then 40 tons, it was 40 tons period stated by both North and South Kai  /End "
I know the mass was 40 T but unless we know the gravity we do not know what was the weight, and the gravity we do not know.
I could hold 1 T on a moon.
#41 Posted by Red_Blade (2441 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" It was 40 tons unless stated otherwise, you dont get to make the assumptions of gravity on other planets, I am not making an assumption of the gravity, I am stating a fact because they said and I quote "10 tons on each" so its 40 tons total unless stated otherwise  I have facts on my side, you are just speculating because you cant hop off of Goku's nuts "
What am I speculating about? I am saying I don't know the gravity of that planet, this is fact. Do you know the gravity of planet? If you do show me a scan where it's gravity was stated. "
Do you? I am not speculating about the gravity, you are.  I am stating a fact, it was 40 tons because the Kais said 10 tons on each limb.  You are speculating the gravity because you are a DBZ pole jocker that can't accept that they are weak characters.    Until you show proof that it was more then 40 tons, it was 40 tons period stated by both North and South Kai  /End "
I know the mass was 40 T but unless we know the gravity we do not know what was the weight, and the gravity we do not know. I could hold 1 T on a moon. "
It was 40 tons until the gravity is stated, read the forum rules. 
#42 Edited by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" It was 40 tons unless stated otherwise, you dont get to make the assumptions of gravity on other planets, I am not making an assumption of the gravity, I am stating a fact because they said and I quote "10 tons on each" so its 40 tons total unless stated otherwise  I have facts on my side, you are just speculating because you cant hop off of Goku's nuts "

What am I speculating about? I am saying I don't know the gravity of that planet, this is fact. Do you know the gravity of planet? If you do show me a scan where it's gravity was stated. "
Do you? I am not speculating about the gravity, you are.  I am stating a fact, it was 40 tons because the Kais said 10 tons on each limb.  You are speculating the gravity because you are a DBZ pole jocker that can't accept that they are weak characters.    Until you show proof that it was more then 40 tons, it was 40 tons period stated by both North and South Kai  /End "
I know the mass was 40 T but unless we know the gravity we do not know what was the weight, and the gravity we do not know. I could hold 1 T on a moon. "
It was 40 tons until the gravity is stated, read the forum rules.  "
wow, have you read what I said? I know the mass was 40T, but we do not know what was the weight. Do you know what was the weight? 
and gravity is never going to be stated so this feat will remain useless forever
#43 Posted by Red_Blade (2441 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" It was 40 tons unless stated otherwise, you dont get to make the assumptions of gravity on other planets, I am not making an assumption of the gravity, I am stating a fact because they said and I quote "10 tons on each" so its 40 tons total unless stated otherwise  I have facts on my side, you are just speculating because you cant hop off of Goku's nuts "
What am I speculating about? I am saying I don't know the gravity of that planet, this is fact. Do you know the gravity of planet? If you do show me a scan where it's gravity was stated. "
Do you? I am not speculating about the gravity, you are.  I am stating a fact, it was 40 tons because the Kais said 10 tons on each limb.  You are speculating the gravity because you are a DBZ pole jocker that can't accept that they are weak characters.    Until you show proof that it was more then 40 tons, it was 40 tons period stated by both North and South Kai  /End "
I know the mass was 40 T but unless we know the gravity we do not know what was the weight, and the gravity we do not know. I could hold 1 T on a moon. "
It was 40 tons until the gravity is stated, read the forum rules.  "
wow, have you read what I said? I know the mass was 40T, but we do not know what was the weight. Do you know what was the weight?  "
Unfortunetly I have read what you have said, that is how I know you are a rehash troll that does nothing but repeat himself over and over again
 
Yes I know what the weight was, it was 40 tons stated by the Kai's themselves, its only delusional retards like yourself that speculate on the gravity because you can't accept that DBZ characters are weak
 
It was 40 tons and only 40 tons. 
#44 Posted by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" It was 40 tons unless stated otherwise, you dont get to make the assumptions of gravity on other planets, I am not making an assumption of the gravity, I am stating a fact because they said and I quote "10 tons on each" so its 40 tons total unless stated otherwise  I have facts on my side, you are just speculating because you cant hop off of Goku's nuts "
What am I speculating about? I am saying I don't know the gravity of that planet, this is fact. Do you know the gravity of planet? If you do show me a scan where it's gravity was stated. "
Do you? I am not speculating about the gravity, you are.  I am stating a fact, it was 40 tons because the Kais said 10 tons on each limb.  You are speculating the gravity because you are a DBZ pole jocker that can't accept that they are weak characters.    Until you show proof that it was more then 40 tons, it was 40 tons period stated by both North and South Kai  /End "
I know the mass was 40 T but unless we know the gravity we do not know what was the weight, and the gravity we do not know. I could hold 1 T on a moon. "
It was 40 tons until the gravity is stated, read the forum rules.  "
wow, have you read what I said? I know the mass was 40T, but we do not know what was the weight. Do you know what was the weight?  "
Unfortunetly I have read what you have said, that is how I know you are a rehash troll that does nothing but repeat himself over and over again  Yes I know what the weight was, it was 40 tons stated by the Kai's themselves, its only delusional retards like yourself that speculate on the gravity because you can't accept that DBZ characters are weak  It was 40 tons and only 40 tons.  "
It looks like to me that you don't know what the weight is. well ,whatever, good night sir .
#45 Posted by Red_Blade (2441 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Red_Blade said:

" It was 40 tons unless stated otherwise, you dont get to make the assumptions of gravity on other planets, I am not making an assumption of the gravity, I am stating a fact because they said and I quote "10 tons on each" so its 40 tons total unless stated otherwise  I have facts on my side, you are just speculating because you cant hop off of Goku's nuts "
What am I speculating about? I am saying I don't know the gravity of that planet, this is fact. Do you know the gravity of planet? If you do show me a scan where it's gravity was stated. "
Do you? I am not speculating about the gravity, you are.  I am stating a fact, it was 40 tons because the Kais said 10 tons on each limb.  You are speculating the gravity because you are a DBZ pole jocker that can't accept that they are weak characters.    Until you show proof that it was more then 40 tons, it was 40 tons period stated by both North and South Kai  /End "
I know the mass was 40 T but unless we know the gravity we do not know what was the weight, and the gravity we do not know. I could hold 1 T on a moon. "
It was 40 tons until the gravity is stated, read the forum rules.  "
wow, have you read what I said? I know the mass was 40T, but we do not know what was the weight. Do you know what was the weight?  "
Unfortunetly I have read what you have said, that is how I know you are a rehash troll that does nothing but repeat himself over and over again  Yes I know what the weight was, it was 40 tons stated by the Kai's themselves, its only delusional retards like yourself that speculate on the gravity because you can't accept that DBZ characters are weak  It was 40 tons and only 40 tons.  "
It looks like to me that you don't know what the weight is. well ,whatever, good night sir . "

 40 tons right there in front of you
Please log off forever, one less DBZ troll here makes everyone happier
#46 Edited by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade said:

"

 40 tons right there in front of you
Please log off forever, one less DBZ troll here makes everyone happier "
Ok, so he lifted 40T on this planet. Now all you need to do is compare the gravity of that planet and tell us how much he could lift on the earth.
.... that right,  you can't do that, can't you?  because you don't know what was the gravity of that planet. He lifted 40 T on that planet, that does not mean he couldn't lift 400 000 T on earth. That also does not mean he could lift 40T on earth. 
This scan tells us nothing about how many tons he could lift on earth.
 
I personally think that planet had a very high gravity, and I think so because Goku chosen this planet for training, so it would be logical if he chosen the planet with highest possible gravity. Also, if you follow  story, it would be completely illogical for this goku not to be able to lift 40 T under earth's gravity.
You think that planet has the same gravity as Earth, and you still didn't explain why you think so.
Both of these are speculations, if you can't see that then I can't help you.

 
The only fact is that the gravity of that planet is unknown therefore we can't calculate how much tons he could lift on Earth, therefore this feat is useless stop using it because it does not prove anything.
#47 Posted by Red_Blade (2441 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" @Red_Blade said:

"

 40 tons right there in front of you
Please log off forever, one less DBZ troll here makes everyone happier "
Ok, so he lifted 40T on this planet. Now all you need to do is compare the gravity of that planet and tell us how much he could lift on the earth. .... that right,  you can't do that, can't you?  because you don't know what was the gravity of that planet. He lifted 40 T on that planet, that does not mean he couldn't lift 400 000 T on earth. That also does not mean he could lift 40T on earth.  This scan tells us nothing about how many tons he could lift on earth.  I personally think that planet had a very high gravity, and I think so because Goku chosen this planet for training, so it would be logical if he chosen the planet with highest possible gravity. Also, if you fallow story, it would be completely illogical for this goku not to be able to lift 40 under earth's gravity.You think that planet has the same gravity as Earth, and you still didn't explain why you think so. Both of these are speculations, if you can't see that then I can't help you.  The only fact is that the gravity of that planet is unknown therefore we can't calculate how much tons he could lift on Earth, therefore this feat is useless stop using it because it does not prove anything. "
Go away troll, unlike you I have no desire to repeat myself, it was 40 tons PERIOD
 
If we went by your insanely retarded logic
 
Each time a character lifted something on a different planet, it would never be a quantifiable feat because we wouldn't know what the gravity was
 
Bottom line and for the last time, until the gravity of this planet is stated, we assume it normal, Goku struggled with 40 tons and only 40 tons
 
Please get off of Goku's d*ck now, I am done wasting time with you
#48 Posted by Mortein (2734 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade said:
" @Mortein said:
" @Red_Blade said:

"

 40 tons right there in front of you
Please log off forever, one less DBZ troll here makes everyone happier "
Ok, so he lifted 40T on this planet. Now all you need to do is compare the gravity of that planet and tell us how much he could lift on the earth. .... that right,  you can't do that, can't you?  because you don't know what was the gravity of that planet. He lifted 40 T on that planet, that does not mean he couldn't lift 400 000 T on earth. That also does not mean he could lift 40T on earth.  This scan tells us nothing about how many tons he could lift on earth.  I personally think that planet had a very high gravity, and I think so because Goku chosen this planet for training, so it would be logical if he chosen the planet with highest possible gravity. Also, if you fallow story, it would be completely illogical for this goku not to be able to lift 40 under earth's gravity.You think that planet has the same gravity as Earth, and you still didn't explain why you think so. Both of these are speculations, if you can't see that then I can't help you.  The only fact is that the gravity of that planet is unknown therefore we can't calculate how much tons he could lift on Earth, therefore this feat is useless stop using it because it does not prove anything. "
Go away troll, unlike you I have no desire to repeat myself, it was 40 tons PERIOD  If we went by your insanely retarded logic  Each time a character lifted something on a different planet, it would never be a quantifiable feat because we wouldn't know what the gravity was  Bottom line and for the last time, until the gravity of this planet is stated, we assume it normal, Goku struggled with 40 tons and only 40 tons  Please get off of Goku's d*ck now, I am done wasting time with you "
And by your logic every planet in the universe with unknown gravity actually has the same gravity as Earth? wtf
Unless you can prove the gravity of that planet quit posting.
#49 Posted by Red_Blade (2441 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" @Red_Blade said:
" @Mortein said:
" @Red_Blade said:

"

 40 tons right there in front of you
Please log off forever, one less DBZ troll here makes everyone happier "
Ok, so he lifted 40T on this planet. Now all you need to do is compare the gravity of that planet and tell us how much he could lift on the earth. .... that right,  you can't do that, can't you?  because you don't know what was the gravity of that planet. He lifted 40 T on that planet, that does not mean he couldn't lift 400 000 T on earth. That also does not mean he could lift 40T on earth.  This scan tells us nothing about how many tons he could lift on earth.  I personally think that planet had a very high gravity, and I think so because Goku chosen this planet for training, so it would be logical if he chosen the planet with highest possible gravity. Also, if you fallow story, it would be completely illogical for this goku not to be able to lift 40 under earth's gravity.You think that planet has the same gravity as Earth, and you still didn't explain why you think so. Both of these are speculations, if you can't see that then I can't help you.  The only fact is that the gravity of that planet is unknown therefore we can't calculate how much tons he could lift on Earth, therefore this feat is useless stop using it because it does not prove anything. "
Go away troll, unlike you I have no desire to repeat myself, it was 40 tons PERIOD  If we went by your insanely retarded logic  Each time a character lifted something on a different planet, it would never be a quantifiable feat because we wouldn't know what the gravity was  Bottom line and for the last time, until the gravity of this planet is stated, we assume it normal, Goku struggled with 40 tons and only 40 tons  Please get off of Goku's d*ck now, I am done wasting time with you "
And by your logic every planet in the universe with unknown gravity actually has the same gravity as Earth? wtf Unless you can prove the gravity of that planet quit posting. "
Unless stated otherwise, everytime Superman lifts something not on Earth, by your logic it shouldn't be a legitimate feat.
 
This is how stupid your logic is, unless the gravity is stated, we assume its regular gravity
 
Now leave, before I get my troll spray out
#50 Posted by ultimatewarrior123 (1374 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade said:
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40 tons right there in front of you
Please log off forever, one less DBZ troll here makes everyone happier "
Ok, so he lifted 40T on this planet. Now all you need to do is compare the gravity of that planet and tell us how much he could lift on the earth. .... that right,  you can't do that, can't you?  because you don't know what was the gravity of that planet. He lifted 40 T on that planet, that does not mean he couldn't lift 400 000 T on earth. That also does not mean he could lift 40T on earth.  This scan tells us nothing about how many tons he could lift on earth.  I personally think that planet had a very high gravity, and I think so because Goku chosen this planet for training, so it would be logical if he chosen the planet with highest possible gravity. Also, if you fallow story, it would be completely illogical for this goku not to be able to lift 40 under earth's gravity.You think that planet has the same gravity as Earth, and you still didn't explain why you think so. Both of these are speculations, if you can't see that then I can't help you.  The only fact is that the gravity of that planet is unknown therefore we can't calculate how much tons he could lift on Earth, therefore this feat is useless stop using it because it does not prove anything. "
Go away troll, unlike you I have no desire to repeat myself, it was 40 tons PERIOD  If we went by your insanely retarded logic  Each time a character lifted something on a different planet, it would never be a quantifiable feat because we wouldn't know what the gravity was  Bottom line and for the last time, until the gravity of this planet is stated, we assume it normal, Goku struggled with 40 tons and only 40 tons  Please get off of Goku's d*ck now, I am done wasting time with you "
And by your logic every planet in the universe with unknown gravity actually has the same gravity as Earth? wtf Unless you can prove the gravity of that planet quit posting. "
Unless stated otherwise, everytime Superman lifts something not on Earth, by your logic it shouldn't be a legitimate feat.  This is how stupid your logic is, unless the gravity is stated, we assume its regular gravity  Now leave, before I get my troll spray out "

You find that wrong for some reason. Just because you base your feats on fail, does not mean that we should. the point Mortein is making, is that all that is said is MASS, not WEIGHT. The mass is 40 tons. THAT IS ALL THAT WE KNOW. OKAY. LIKE YOU SAID NO SPECULATING, IT IS NOT A FEAT. 
 
please stop talking nonsense about troll spray because on this forum the only troll here is you.

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