Why all the hate for him?

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#51 Posted by Remi (613 posts) - - Show Bio

@AtPhantom: Yeah but they aren't Marvel event bad. His events just ran out of steam and turn out meh.

#52 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

@Remi: This is true (I guess, I kinda lost interest in Marvel's event after the abortion that was Siege) but I still give them credit in handing it to new writers every once in a while. They end up sucking, but who knows, maybe the next one will be good. Johns already has a reputation to the point where I just have to look at Trinity War and know I'm not gonna care about it.

#53 Posted by eiderglast (65 posts) - - Show Bio

I think from a storyteller's perspective... retcons and revamps feel something like this: you're in a bar telling an old experience you had about a fishing trip. you said you caught a blue marlin... wait no, you caught a barracuda... wait, i remember now... it was a sword fish. and then you go back to the beginning and tell how the blue marlin got away after all, and it was chased by a barracuda which leaves you the swordfish. by telling so many stories, no matter how factual it was... it felt like more of a "tall tale". or a whale of a tale.

And he tells stories (referring to Mr. Johns) that would fit his perspective... like how he never liked the justice league international, or it seems to appear that way. Like the Batman one punch incident, how infantile can that get?

#54 Posted by modunhanul (407 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought Johns liked Batman. In Infinite Crisis, who stopped Brother Eye? Batman stopped it. In Flashpoint, who helped Barry Allen and (Spoiler Alert) killed Reverse Flash? Batman helped Barry and killed Reverse Flash. Although Flashpoint's Batman wasn't Bruce Wayne.

#55 Posted by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

DC fans are lucky they don't have Quesada over there

kill him when it happens

#56 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

@modunhanul said:

I thought Johns liked Batman. In Infinite Crisis, who stopped Brother Eye? Batman stopped it. In Flashpoint, who helped Barry Allen and (Spoiler Alert) killed Reverse Flash? Batman helped Barry and killed Reverse Flash. Although Flashpoint's Batman wasn't Bruce Wayne.

It's not that he doesn't like Batman, It's that he absolutely, totally, completely doesn't get Batman as a character. Every time he tries to say something about Batman he ends up getting it completely wrong. He kinda, sorta, maybe gets him right in Infinite Crisis, except the whole point of Infinite Crisis was that Batman went off his goddamn rocker and turned into the mother of all paranoid freaks. Johns can only get Batman right when he thinks he's wrong.

Also, every time he's in the same scene with Hal he turns into a foil to show how awesome Hal is.

#57 Posted by Billy Batson (58024 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rumble Man said:

DC fans are lucky they don't have Quesada over there

kill him when it happens

What, Didiot doesn't count? :p

BB

#58 Posted by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

@Billy Batson: Then there is Loeb

you guys don't have loeb over there right?

#59 Posted by Charlie_Jade (523 posts) - - Show Bio

Geoff is disliked because he helped push that awful script for Greenlantern movie into Hollywood, the movie flops and now plans for a good JLA movie is in trouble. Johns can write great, he has good runs on Green Lantern, from Rebirth through to Blackest Night but he's also overly found of the silverage....and one thing about the silverage is its not very good. He also lowers himself to throwing out tortureporn gore pages once in a while, a girl getting molested, some body getting ripped apart with guts everywhere, superboyprime murdering people....he's not the only one Frank Miller, Bendis, the Punisher MAX, TopCows beserker comic all does this style of writing too. The Nu52 or DCNU is the one with big mistakes, not all is bad some stories and characters needed a revamp but starting over in a "new", "hip" and "relevant" and destroying stuff which already worked is not good. Johns and Jim Lee are really pushing this Nu52 verse and not all of it is working, there are lots of complaints against the Lee and Geoff Johns retcons and revamp which lead to 52. Batman and Green Lantern are supposed to be the same...yes the same!? so their sliding timelines many years of feats and history are now compressed?? Years of Justice League compressed into months and weeks?? Batman continuity now has 5 robins in the past 5 years. Batman himself had 154,731 women during this 5 year run and only got one girl pregant, gordon with his compressed history climbed the ranks of the police department faster than any other police officer in the world. Ever. Many characters lost their great back stories but DC hasn’t rebooted their Green Lantern continuity, mostly because it’s being spearheaded by Geoff Johns. He has retconed the hell out of some characters like changing Brainiac's origins and making Amon Sur's race survive beheadings

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