So I'm somewhat new to comics (about a year) and JUST started reading any books relating to the X-men. I've read House of M, AvX, and am currently reading some uncanny avengers. I've yet to understand though why in these books Wanda is so hated. Maybe I missed something and please correct me if I did, but nothing she did really seemed to be her fault. It was just her unstable mind mixed with her unstable powers. Like I believe it was the first issue of House of M with her and her imaginary children, how could you not have sympathy for her? If anyone can maybe give me more back story, I'd SO appreciate it. Thanks!
for me it that some writer's make her seem like she should be forgiven because she wasn't in her right state of mind when she caused mass genocide. Other than that i'm cool with her. Except for the weird android marriage too.
I think Children's Crusade was a TOTAL cop out to what was not only one of the most horrific things a superhero could've done, but could've potentially been a really interesting character arc. M-Day was a gigantic, epic horror and I don't buy her half-hearted road to redemption one bit.
Prior to M-Day/Disassembled, I don't think she was interesting. The Vision marriage and gypsy attire were among the many reasons I didn't flock to the Avengers back in the day.
yes, she wasn't in her right mind...but despite that it was still her who did it. And despite how apologetic she is for the situation it was still her that put mutants on the brink of extinction, put giant targets on the remaining few, and caused the darkest period in Mutant history with the possible exception of the genocide in genosha. Many characters just cant forgive her for that no matter how sorry she is. Also there is the fact that she, while still in her right mind, put herself in the position to go crazy like that by trusting Doom.
I personally don't hate her because while she did make an ENORMOUS mistake in trusting Doom with that kind of power...she was not in her right mind when she killed avengers in disassembled or caused decimation. And while she did make the same mistake twice by AGAIN trusting Doom after regaining her memories...she is still profusely regrets basically every action she took during those events.
To give an honest answer, i don't feel like she was treated well as a character during her Avengers time. Every issue focusing on her was a Whack Wanda Wednesday that had no real continuity between them. And despite everything she's been featured in, this is still a poor defined character, as even fans have trouble nailing down her personality.
House of M/Decimation could've been a great character moment, and she could've been really important afterwards but she we didn't see her for years and when we did she just said she was sad about it and shrugged off the major driving plot point of half the marvel universe at the time. Honestly Wanda just needs to be explored without being paired with another character so that we can get a feel for who she is, because what we do know isnt appealing.
The people who blame Wanda for what she did are the same ones that blame Cyclops for what he did. It's nearly the same circumstance. Take from that what you will. I'm not taking a stance either way, just stating a fact.
Because she wiped out mutants then waltzed back into AvX to be the hero again. I'd have forgiven her if they kept the original reason for House of M. If she went insane from grief that's fine. Turns out she willingly sought of that power and trusted DOOM of all people to help her. Then in Uncanny Avengers she walks and talks like she did nothing wrong. Her attitude in that series just made me dislike her even more. Overall I don't hate her. I just can't begin to like her until they have her take responsibility for her actions.
i dislike her because her powers make her a walking deus ex machina. Also, I have had a lot more hatred for her lately with the Avengers taking her back in while still hypocritically hounding cyclops for his actions, which restored the mutant community and brought a utopia to earth. AvX sucked. geez.
genocide, hypocrisy(by her and the Avengers), her attitude generally and the fact that she seems not to care about what she's done. A terrible character, if you ask me. Nothing interesting about overpowered characters IMO.
Then de gustibus non disputandum est, I don't wanna convince anyone who likes her to dislike her.
Because she represents self-hatred, self-loathing and other masochistic absurdities that are a product of the weak-will and the shame of who she was born to be. She is pitiful as deep inside she wants everyone to share her pain. Gladly abuses the position of the Elites to avoid paying for mass murder and isn't even bothered by it to this day. And the funniest thing is, the list can still go on.
Anyways, this is everything a normal person should despise in real life as well.
I never liked her because she was weird and she was too OP and after i read about her I started to dislike the character more and more. Her trusting Doom and committing genocide then she acts like it didn't happen and people are ok with that because she was crazy at the moment. That's why I she is my most hated character of all time.
I'm going to hate to see her in the avengers 2 movie
Reason Prime: 'No More Mutants'. That line just made almost every in-comic mutant hate her... from what I can see, without given an ounce of sympathy that she had actually lost her mind and the make-believe kids, it was actually more Pietro's fault for pushing her into rearranging reality in the first place if not the later Dr. Doom. Outside of comics, X-fans just hated she survived doing it since most of the more fan-favorite characters who lost their powers eventually regained them (Prof X, Mags) or got new powers of jobs/skills (Beak, Jubilee, Moonstar).
She may be a mutant with a prominent mutant parent, but she's a lot more of an Avenger character than one of the X-Men (meaning she's competition/enemy whenever something like AvX shows up, another example of this is: Beast & Wolverine)
Her powers are more or less a walking plot device, she can get defeated by a flying pebble if needed, she can take out the almighty if needed... Which makes her a lot like Phoenix really who also appears to be able to do whatever the hell she wants because of her powers, only she has a much higher (like 95%) chance of eventually going completely nuts.
Her brother, Piertro and the relationship with him is kinda creepy (but not as creepy as the Ultimates versions), but thats what you get for having a lunatic like Magneto as a father. (Let's just be honest, Erik is just as bad, if not worse than the people in comics who demonstrate and thrown things at mutants added a much worse superiority complex)
Magneto, let's not forget she is the daughter of the X-Men's greatest, most well known adversary, despite his recent revival into a devils advocate/anti-hero.
Reason Prime: 'No More Mutants'. That line just made almost every in-comic mutant hate her... from what I can see, without given an ounce of sympathy that she had actually lost her mind and the make-believe kids, it was actually more Pietro's fault for pushing her into rearranging reality in the first place if not the later Dr. Doom. Outside of comics, X-fans just hated she survived doing it since most of the more fan-favorite characters who lost their powers eventually regained them (Prof X, Mags) or got new powers of jobs/skills (Beak, Jubilee, Moonstar).
She may be a mutant with a prominent mutant parent, but she's a lot more of an Avenger character than one of the X-Men (meaning she's competition/enemy whenever something like AvX shows up, another example of this is: Beast & Wolverine)
Her powers are more or less a walking plot device, she can get defeated by a flying pebble if needed, she can take out the almighty if needed... Which makes her a lot like Phoenix really who also appears to be able to do whatever the hell she wants because of her powers, only she has a much higher (like 95%) chance of eventually going completely nuts.
Her brother, Piertro and the relationship with him is kinda creepy (but not as creepy as the Ultimates versions), but thats what you get for having a lunatic like Magneto as a father. (Let's just be honest, Erik is just as bad, if not worse than the people in comics who demonstrate and thrown things at mutants added a much worse superiority complex)
Magneto, let's not forget she is the daughter of the X-Men's greatest, most well known adversary, despite his recent revival into a devils advocate/anti-hero.
I'd add that her relationship with Vision, an artificial life form, was creepy. I like(d) the character, but even as a kid, I thought it was weird that she was in love with a robot who never acted human. I remember seeing the "Vision & Scarlet Witch" comics in the used bin, and thinking that she must really have an issue with human beings if she needed to find love from an android (this was juxtaposed with the "Dazzler" comics in the same bin, where Alison would be entertaining/flirting with men all over the place to find an ideal suitor).
@phoenixofthetides: Well you could always argue that what one wants from a relationship... and how one like it, varies from person to person and Wanda just found what she was looking for in the Vision (untill she went all bonkers and killed him).
@phoenixofthetides: Well you could always argue that what one wants from a relationship... and how one like it, varies from person to person and Wanda just found what she was looking for in the Vision (untill she went all bonkers and killed him).
Sure, but just speaking realistically as a comic book reader, I don't think all the writers were comfortable writing romance, let alone the nuances of a romantic relationship with a robot. I think "Her" handled this better, but even that movie focused on A.I. that was functionally very human unlike The Vision at the time. It basically introduced an element of mental instability in her character that I think was addressed now and again in "Disassembled."
The people who blame Wanda for what she did are the same ones that blame Cyclops for what he did. It's nearly the same circumstance. Take from that what you will. I'm not taking a stance either way, just stating a fact.
It's really not. Besides being possessed by a entity, they're are entirely different circumstances.
The whole "no more mutants" thing. I didn't like that either with me being a big fan of mutants and the X-men,but she and her sister,Polaris, have a history of mental breakdowns and other mental issues,so i don't believe she was in her right state of mind then. I've always loved Scarlet Witch though!
Avengers get hypocritical on cyclops and see Wanda as a victim. She being the hero in avx was annoying to me and she is unstable.
I agree with this.
I really dont want to dislike her but the writing makes it tough.
I would love to see her join up with maybe someone like Bishop and Weapon omega and some others seeking redemption and form a mutant suicide squad type team that goes into impossible situations that they are not expected to make it out of to resolve whatever issues. Perhaps a new version of the Exiles or whatever
I really dont want to dislike her but the writing makes it tough.
I would love to see her join up with maybe someone like Bishop and Weapon omega and some others seeking redemption and form a mutant suicide squad type team that goes into impossible situations that they are not expected to make it out of to resolve whatever issues. Perhaps a new version of the Exiles or whatever
Reason Prime: 'No More Mutants'. That line just made almost every in-comic mutant hate her... from what I can see, without given an ounce of sympathy that she had actually lost her mind and the make-believe kids, it was actually more Pietro's fault for pushing her into rearranging reality in the first place if not the later Dr. Doom. Outside of comics, X-fans just hated she survived doing it since most of the more fan-favorite characters who lost their powers eventually regained them (Prof X, Mags) or got new powers of jobs/skills (Beak, Jubilee, Moonstar).
She may be a mutant with a prominent mutant parent, but she's a lot more of an Avenger character than one of the X-Men (meaning she's competition/enemy whenever something like AvX shows up, another example of this is: Beast & Wolverine)
Her powers are more or less a walking plot device, she can get defeated by a flying pebble if needed, she can take out the almighty if needed... Which makes her a lot like Phoenix really who also appears to be able to do whatever the hell she wants because of her powers, only she has a much higher (like 95%) chance of eventually going completely nuts.
Her brother, Piertro and the relationship with him is kinda creepy (but not as creepy as the Ultimates versions), but thats what you get for having a lunatic like Magneto as a father. (Let's just be honest, Erik is just as bad, if not worse than the people in comics who demonstrate and thrown things at mutants added a much worse superiority complex)
Magneto, let's not forget she is the daughter of the X-Men's greatest, most well known adversary, despite his recent revival into a devils advocate/anti-hero.
I apologize if I do not get this. But how is her relationship with her brother weird and creepy? Can you give me some examples? I KNOW in the Ultimates universe, their relationship is weird and creepy as hell. But how in Earth-616 is their relationship strange, though?
IMO, Pietro is an overprotective big brother to Wanda. That is all I see. Nothing more, nothing less.
In issue 2 of AvX she knew how it was gonna end or atleast she knew 90% of the ending story. I would love cyclops record cleared but people would still see him as a terrorist(at least mutant haters)
I think writers made her like that so she will have at least a draw back every character needs a draw-back
I have always loved Wanda and at least she attempted apologies for M-Day...I wouldn't keep saying sorry when I'm gonna be hated anyway.
Forgive me or hate me but deal with it and move on.
Saying the race you nearly wiped out doesn't matter and insulting what the X-Men stand for is apologizing? She's been preachy and self-righteous throughout Uncanny Avengers.
In issue 2 of AvX she knew how it was gonna end or atleast she knew 90% of the ending story. I would love cyclops record cleared but people would still see him as a terrorist(at least mutant haters)
I think writers made her like that so she will have at least a draw back every character needs a draw-back
Accidental attempted genocide is a pretty big draw back for a superhero. I don't think of her as a hero, anymore - just a character that is on the fringes of the story.
In issue 2 of AvX she knew how it was gonna end or atleast she knew 90% of the ending story. I would love cyclops record cleared but people would still see him as a terrorist(at least mutant haters)
I think writers made her like that so she will have at least a draw back every character needs a draw-back
Accidental attempted genocide is a pretty big draw back for a superhero. I don't think of her as a hero, anymore - just a character that is on the fringes of the story.
the draw-back i meant was her confidience and mental state..... She is more of a sadist now, feeling sorry for her self and having a low self esteem
In issue 2 of AvX she knew how it was gonna end or atleast she knew 90% of the ending story. I would love cyclops record cleared but people would still see him as a terrorist(at least mutant haters)
I think writers made her like that so she will have at least a draw back every character needs a draw-back
Accidental attempted genocide is a pretty big draw back for a superhero. I don't think of her as a hero, anymore - just a character that is on the fringes of the story.
the draw-back i meant was her confidience and mental state..... She is more of a sadist now, feeling sorry for her self and having a low self esteem
That would make her a masochist, enjoying her own pain. If she was a sadist she would get pleasure from hurting others.
@night4345: Well she's not an X-Men and at least she wasn't in her right mind and was essentially manipulated into doing what she did. There are plenty of characters (and X-Men for that matter) who have lots of wrong deeds to answer for. Deeds that they did willingly and gleefully.
Didn't really seem like the X-Men ever did much for her anyway. That doesn't excuse her actions but mutants and the X-Men are NOT her family. She needs to do right by the Avengers before all else and simply try to be the hero she was before all the craziness.
@night4345: Well she's not an X-Men and at least she wasn't in her right mind and was essentially manipulated into doing what she did. There are plenty of characters (and X-Men for that matter) who have lots of wrong deeds to answer for. Deeds that they did willingly and gleefully.
Didn't really seem like the X-Men ever did much for her anyway. That doesn't excuse her actions but mutants and the X-Men are NOT her family. She needs to do right by the Avengers before all else.
Not in her right mind? Yes. Manipulated? No she went to Doom on her own accord. It's her own fault for using chaos magic to make her children. I'm not saying other characters haven't done bad things but that has nothing to do with my problems with Wanda.
She never wanted help. She was happy to bury her head in the sand and pretend to be non-mutant (interestingly parallels Nazi Germany). I don't know what you mean by doing right by them and what that has to do with Wanda's insults towards the X-Men and mutants in general.
@ultimatekey: I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees nothing wrong with her relationship with Pietro. They're close because they have that twin bond and it's great.
I never cared for the Ultimate universe anyway but the warped version the twins' only sealed it.
@night4345: Doom or not, Wanda was manipulated not only by her own father but Pietro as well. THEY are the ones who nudged her to alter reality and Magneto murdering her brother in that reality is what caused her to lash out. They are to blame not her. Wanda was the gun but they loaded the bullets and pulled the trigger. Magneto always has a way of destroying things/people and coming out hands clean and M-Day was definitely one of those instances.
She wasn't anymore fully responsible than Jean Grey was for the Dark Phoenix incident (funny how people seem to forgive and forget the beloved Emma Frost's role in that huh).
Wanda never pretended to be anything so it doesn't really mirror anything and what is she supposed to do whine about the lives she ruined? Please. You don't see Wolverine doing that and hell, Jean didn't even do that and she killed an entire galaxy's worth of people (duplicate or not - had her memories, soul, and since she's is in fact a part of the Phoenix, it was still her) and why in the world should Wanda.
I guess we just differ in how someone should go about redemption. Say your sorry and move on to actions I say.
@night4345: Doom or not, Wanda was manipulated not only by her own father but Pietro as well. THEY are the ones who nudged her to alter reality and Magneto murdering her brother in that reality is what caused her to lash out. They are to blame not her. Wanda was the gun but they loaded the bullets and pulled the trigger. Magneto always has a way of destroying things/people and coming out hands clean and M-Day was definitely one of those instances.
She wasn't anymore fully responsible than Jean Grey was for the Dark Phoenix incident (funny how people seem to forgive and forget the beloved Emma Frost's role in that huh).
Wanda never pretended to be anything so it doesn't really mirror anything and what is she supposed to do whine about the lives she ruined? Please. You don't see Wolverine doing that and hell, Jean didn't even do that and she killed an entire galaxy's worth of people (duplicate or not - had her memories, soul, and since she's is in fact a part of the Phoenix, it was still her) and why in the world should Wanda.
I guess we just differ in how someone should go about redemption. Say your sorry and move on to actions I say.
Just gotta point out, that Magneto had very little to do with creating the House of M world and he didn't seem very happy with what happened either. Though beating Quicksilver to death is what triggered her outburst.
I'm not a big Wanda fan, nor do i dislike her. But there's something wrong from a story telling perspective when something that changed the face of the X-Men books to that degree isn't acknowledged by the character responsible. You can argue Jean killed the broccoli people, or Wolverine killed (insert name here), but neither of them have had an action that has had so much effect on the narrative overall. Every storyline of every X-Book had some ties to M-Day for years and it was the first thing you had to know to read a book for years. But when the character returns she pretty much disassociates herself from the biggest event in mutant history with a shrug and follows it up with an opinion about mutants that would be controversial if she hadn't played such a role in their decimation. It just seems like she's ready to put that behind her when people are still feeling the effects, and say what you want about Jean and Emma but they both felt bad about their actions whether they were responsible or not.
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