Actually,I think that that is sorta addressed. When Spider man was receiving hate,people branded him as a mutant. I mean,they now know that's not true and love him,but point is:
If people simply suspect you to be a mutant,they will simply hate you because of that. Many Superheroes were suspected of being mutants and it was debunked.
But WHY is it that BEING a mutant is bad? This is i little problem, but I just think it is weird.
Well the thing about mutants are that they are supposed to mirror the way people in real life (such as gay people) are treated. It's supposed to be the same way and ever since their creation people have been trying to kill them because of it (for example,that was the purpose of the sentinels,to kill mutants. People fear the mutants and try to kill them. And put simply,people have always feared what is considered to be "the norm". And since being a mutant is seen as abominable and different,they treat them with hatred...you know what I mean.
I don't get it...first of all,I don't see why helping others (they help more than just mutants,btw) is a bad idea. Especially so when the world looks at magneto,he isn't the first thing people think of when they think of the word "mutant". And they can wear costumes if they please...Spiderman does it. So does most every Superhero (in Marvel and DC)....so why not? They aren't really treated as equals...every other superhero wears a costume and it's no big deal,they should be able to wear one too if they want. And there are mutants that are not Xmen that get treated like crap,regardless.
Are you telling me that Spider-man can wear a costume,but simply because they are hated and feared by the world that a mutant cannot? That is actually a good example of how they are treated. It's not their fault that they are hated. As said,many don't wear costumes and still get persecuted nonetheless. And If other superheroes can,they should get that exact right as well (which is something they fight for),without being questioned any more or less.
No, I am saying that a uniform, like yellow spandex with big X on it is one thing, because it shows WHO they are. But if you make mutants superheroes, doesn't that alienate them more? Wouldn't that make people think of them as super-humans instead of, well, humans? My problem with them "helping" is that they do not have an authority and that, again alienate them by saying: There are human police AND mutant police. I know it isn't like that, I'm just saying that it is bad "marketing."
Well actually,they DO have powers and such,and they can't control that. But people like Spider Man and such are humans and people are fine with him. I keep comparing Spider-man because,well,being a mutant (with the gene) is simply a delivery of powers. Spiderman got his powers later on,but he is still a human. Just with powers. Same with mutants,they are still humans,just with powers. The difference is that they were born with powers.
So it wouldn't really alienate them because,well,just think of Spiderman....Do you know what I mean?
Also,if they don't have the authority to help others,than I guess that means that no other hero does,amiright?
However,if that's the case,I don't think the police do,either. However,with the human police and mutant police,I can see your point. It's like there being superheroes like Spiderman and then MUTANT Superheroes. However,I don't think that that's the point of them,I think it's just that they are Superheroes that are mutants. Not really mutant superheroes (as opposed to regular superheroes. I think that they are superheroes that got their powers simply from birth and they still fit into the category of superheroes,not really in another category. the x-gene is simply how they got their powers).
So...how does Professor X represent the entire X-men?
Doesn't Cerebro just scan the world for mutants? Even from people who don't know that they are mutants....I think that it only helps to find mutants across the globe
I'm not sure about HOW Cerebro works, but it IS an way of interfering in there Private life and getting information without there permission. I personally find the idea unconformable about someone going inside my head without permission.
Cerebro (now destroyed and a new one,Cerebra) basically just scans the world for mutants...I think that's it. It's not like it reads their entire thoughts.
Emma isn't evil..just a snarky (lovable) b!tch. How do they abuse their powers? It's not like they mindwipe people...
Well, I guess she was just "snarky" in the end of new X-men 36, were she finds Kimura preparing to kill X-23, and forcibly removes the memories of kimura's grandmother, the only person who treated her with kindness, and then telepathically forces her to kill every one in the weapon X project starting with Dr. Harkins, although her intent is good and she is doing this to protect her students, crawling inside someone's head destroying their only good memories and forcing them to murder, an entire facility full of people good or evil.
Hm. I never read that. But if it's with good intentions to protect the lives of others,than sometimes Superheroes have to make those sacrifices. It's like what Superman did with Zod in MOS...if he lets him live,then lots more will die. It's a tough call that they have to make or others will die.
1. AvX was a widely hated event with a terrible plot.
1.5 I don't get what island you are talking about.
Utopia
2. Um,mutants face the worst oppression in Marvel. Simply because they are mutants they are hated against by most everyone. I can't believe that it almost sounds as if you are saying,"yeah you face oppression and discrimination,get over it!"
That sounds like a really dumb thing to say. No offense to you,at all,and I am not calling you dumb,but you make it appear as if,like the Fantastic Four,that they are well-loved by everyone and that they are not discriminated against. You make it seem as if they are respected just as the Avengers are,or that they are well seen as equals.
I don't even know what you mean by whiny....has it ever occured to you that:
- Perhaps the complaints are because of the great hate that they face. The Fantastic Four doesn't face the same hatred from the public...neither does The Avengers
- You DO know that the Xmen don't really complain of persecution. Sure they are against it,and they do recognize it,but they don't really complain. Also...again,they face discrimination. Do you just expect them to just ignore it and then "it'll go away"? Perhaps it's simply not right that it happens,especially since it mirrors the discrimination people face in real life. I don't exactly know what you mean by them being "whiny"....It's like the racism that people face today and you saying "well I faced it too,but that doesn't mean that I have to whine about it"... It shouldn't happen. That's all that matters. It's wrong that it happens. Btw,we all face racism and discrimination,but that doesn't make it right. Put simply,it's not right and they don't get treated as equals,which is what they fight for
And again,every race/ethnic group,religious group,gender,etc faces discrimination and such,but that's why we (we,as in people/humans) fight for equality for ALL people. Because it's simply not right.
I mean,every racial/ethnic group faces discrimination,but it's just not right that it happens and it should be stopped.However,with the X-men,it's more directed towards them in the Marvel Universe...
3. I was actually talking to a friend about the issue and even she disagreed with Rogue's anti-equality stance (@lykopis) . But the Xmen are not for this crap. Rogue is coming off from a standpoint that is against equality and acceptance,and instead for one that just causes divides.
You misunderstand. I talk about the way some mutants have been written LATELY like Rouge. I think that it makes them appear like complaining children. Cap tell Cyclops that there is a problem, he trow dirt in his face because he thinks that he doesn't help mutants enough. And Rouge keep complaining and complaining about her new team, that no one forced her to join. And Xavier keep telling Mystique how much better he is than her(after abducting her from the authorities).
I agree. It just seems almost like out-of-character and bad writing. Also seems like they only want division,not unity.
Also,what do you mean "the ghettos"? Not really denying anything,in fact I am just being a bit nosy right now,so ignore this part if you like :P
But all racial/ethnic groups face persecution,not just one. I hate when ignorant people deny that (not talking about you,but some people out there are so ignorant and biased that they assume that only their race or one or a few races face persecution,and not every group).
There is debate as to whether Alex meant acceptance or assimilation. Scarlet Witch (and I) think that he meant for mutants to be seen as MORE than just mutants,but more importantly,accepted and still recognized as being such. As a black person,I don't want people to pretend as if they don't recognize my skin color,but I don't want to be seen ONLY for that. While it is a part of me,it's not what makes me completely. I agree,that is what Alex wanted...
Rogue and Kitty Pryde and such think that he meant to be ashamed of being a mutant,and that's not
I have found a scan with Kitty from all-new X-men. See, that is what I am talking about. She comes with arguments that I can agree and disagree with, instead of saying: ME mutant, no one understand, Alex stupid!
Well since she thought that Alex meant assimilation she went from the stance that people,anyone,should be proud of who they are. I DON'T think Alex meant assimilation and the ones that are written like Rogue apparently only want divisions,not equality. I mean,as said,I want people to see my race and not treat me different from any other or pretend as if they don't notice (as if it's a bad thing),however,it's only PART of me,it isn't what defines me...knowwhatImean?
It almost seems as if you don't understand the X-men at all. I mean,you said you did,and I am not saying that you are ignorant of them,but when you actually think about it for a second,all of these actually makes sense.
I didn't claim that I understood the X-men, in fact THAT is what this forum is about. I wanted some opinions I hadn't thought about.
I thought that you said you liked the concept and such,so I assumed that you understood them. I didn't want to make an insulting assumption that you "didn't" know what you were talking about,so I just assumed that you were familiar with them. My bad :)
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