#1 Posted by jmc247 (122 posts) - - Show Bio

Rogue and Magneto dated for not that long Marvel time and Rogue wasn't quite sure what to feel about him often or how to take take things. What was your view on the relationship?

#2 Posted by HAWK2916 (1591 posts) - - Show Bio

I didnt care for it. That may be partly because Ive always rooted for Rogue and Gambit. I always thought putting Magneto with Rogue was a way of further hurting his character in the eyes of some. Dont get me wrong Mags should have a love interest but just not robbing the cradle with a young Rogue

#3 Posted by Koays (1230 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh, I'm biased...I liked Rogue's X-Men Legacy run, but Magneto in the cast really added to it a lot.....and isn't that what we want, add something to the story that improves it rather then takes away or doesn't do anything?

#4 Edited by adamTRMM (1301 posts) - - Show Bio

The tension and precedent were there since 90s, yet the execution was pretty weak and kinda unnatural. Unlike many, I think Carey's Legacy wasn't that good at all, neither were Rogneto. Of course, some moments were beautiful, it still couldn't make this feel like nothing, but nothing holds them together, yet they continue this relationship, while the final excuse for putting them together was a stronger AU mutual attraction? I think their potential wasn't realized, and no matter how much passionate it had to be (which it wasn't, shamefully) they should've realized - they cannot be together. Not because just because they're "on the path of finding their destiny" but bc they could hurt each other much more than to do the opposite. That's how I see it.

#5 Posted by SC (12703 posts) - - Show Bio

I get the impression that it was editorially mandated and even if it wasn't it was really problematic. Sometimes it just seems like some writers like to try and flaunt to readers that they know their X-Men history by referencing things that happened in the past and trying to build something of it. Like in Onslaught when they referenced Xavier having a slightly creepy love crush on Jean decades earlier. Similar thing with Rogue and Magneto in AOA based on Claremont's Savage Land flirtation. Only problem with either is not every single moment in X-Men history needs to be revisited or used as justification for a plot and for the Rogue and Magneto example, the first writer to reference the two never intended the two characters to ever be something more than an odd flirtation.

Incidentally how I see both characters, they are both better off away from this pairing, from both an in story perspective and creative perspective. I prefer Magneto who doesn't have time for love, the greatest love of his life died already, and to me he would be too stubborn and loyal to ever love again the same way. Intellectually and maturity wise as well he should be far in advance of Rogue, and although he could appreciate her sass, vitality and spirit, I still can't really see how he could be attracted to her unless the writers are forcing it. Alternatively why would Rogue want to play second place, and her platonic relationship with Xavier is a factor here as well, not to mention - and I am a person who prefers Rogue free of romantic relationships - but even then Gambit is a close and good friend, and so the circumstance of Rogue's relationship with Magneto whilst writing Gambit as still interested was weird. Again not that I personally want Rogue with Gambit either, but was messy writing and made Rogue seem unsympathetic. Basically I think it made three of my favorite characters not that likable to me for a time.

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#6 Posted by darthphoenix (653 posts) - - Show Bio

DEAD.

#7 Posted by jmc247 (122 posts) - - Show Bio

@hawk2916 said:

I didnt care for it. That may be partly because Ive always rooted for Rogue and Gambit. I always thought putting Magneto with Rogue was a way of further hurting his character in the eyes of some. Dont get me wrong Mags should have a love interest but just not robbing the cradle with a young Rogue

What is the right age for a Magneto love interest given that he is actually nearly 90 in the body of someone in his 30s given he was de-aged and re-aged to the prime of his life? Magneto could be Rogue's great grandfather in terms of age, but Wolverine could be her great great great grandfather and yet no one would have a problem about the age issue.

#8 Edited by Koays (1230 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmc247: Wolverine doesn't have silver hair. Visually he looks like he's late 30s early 40's depending on the artist. Magneto is drawn anywhere from looking 30 to 80 so its a constant reminder of his age. Still doesn't bother me but just saying

#9 Edited by Cutter (704 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays said:

@jmc247: Wolverine doesn't have silver hair. Visually he looks like he's late 30s early 40's depending on the artist. Magneto is drawn anywhere from looking 30 to 80 so its a constant reminder of his age. Still doesn't bother me but just saying

Ages doesn't matter...they just numbers. I assuming Rogue wasn't going by the look rather by the inside of Magneto's heart. Is what I think...she fell for.

As far canon goes...Magneto and Rogue did spend some time together in the Savage land. She was powerless after being flung through the Seige Perilous (long story) and they were trying to stop this psycho hosebeast called zaladane...from stealing Neto's powers. They spent most of their time wandering through the jungles in ripped up, but still barely covering strategic areas clothing, and she used to hang all over him and say things like "Oh, Magnus...whatever shall we do? Hold me, Magnus!" They had this weird thing ever since.

In AoA they were married and had a kid named Charles...but that timeline ceased to exist.

Note: Magneto is the mack daddy pimp of the villains. Beside Rogue, he's had Emma frost drooling all over him...and Storm made eyes at him for a while. Polaris left the X-Men to hang out with him in Genosha because she was addicted to "merging" with him. There was also that freaky incest thing with the Scarlet Witch, but that's best forgotten. And in the movie...he's cozy with Mystique. Not bad for an old dude. I certainly hope...that Magneto and Rogue relationship...doesn't translate to the movie....Imagine Sir Ian Mckellen and Anna Paquin making out? Ewwww!

#10 Edited by HAWK2916 (1591 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmc247: Ummm. I would have a problem with Wolverine in the same situation. I have an issue with Wolverine and Storm too. I actually prefer Magneto married to the cause but if he must have a love interest, Im fine with it. I dont know whats the right age, but it aint a 20 something year old Rogue. Maybe Amelia Voght or someone like that

#11 Posted by Cutter (704 posts) - - Show Bio

@hawk2916 said:

@jmc247: Ummm. I would have a problem with Wolverine in the same situation. I have an issue with Wolverine and Storm too. I actually prefer Magneto married to the cause but if he must have a love interest, Im fine with it. I dont know whats the right age, but it aint a 20 something year old Rogue. Maybe Amelia Voght or someone like that

Amelia wouldn't be bad though...since Xavier no longer exist...lol. Not bad idea.

#12 Edited by MN_Logan (230 posts) - - Show Bio

It was mad creepy.

#13 Edited by Wolverine08 (38802 posts) - - Show Bio

@mn_logan said:

It was mad creepy.

Lol, this.

#14 Posted by jmc247 (122 posts) - - Show Bio

I can't tell who was less happy with it though in the first picture I posted up top Lorna or Gambit? lol.

@mn_logan said:

It was mad creepy.

#15 Posted by MN_Logan (230 posts) - - Show Bio
@jmc247 said:

I can't tell who was less happy with it though in the first picture I posted up top Lorna or Gambit? lol.

I'd say Gambit, Polaris just looks really embarassed while Gambit looks deeply disturbed and irritated.

#16 Edited by Roddy010 (5148 posts) - - Show Bio

Eeks its a disgrace and I hope they never focus on it again. Rogue doesn't need a SUGAH DADDY (pun intended) lol The entire charade was completely random and I feel this match would only cause more unwanted screaaming matches between Rogue and the living plot device. On top of that Rogue and Max's chemistry is about as dry as camel skin.

#17 Posted by Moonlighterstone (165 posts) - - Show Bio

As long as we're chronicling Rogue/Mags involvement, don't forget the whole Joseph thing.

My dear, allow me to correct ya. Rogue's actually pretty darn old. She's not a teeny booper. When she was first introduced, she looked and acted about 35 or 40. She seems to have gotten YOUNGER over the years. Although, around the 90's they essentially transformed her into a totally different character. Back in the 80's she was real butch, the suddenly and for no apparent reason they transmogrified her into this sex symbol.

#18 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4260 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmc247 said:

@hawk2916 said:

I didnt care for it. That may be partly because Ive always rooted for Rogue and Gambit. I always thought putting Magneto with Rogue was a way of further hurting his character in the eyes of some. Dont get me wrong Mags should have a love interest but just not robbing the cradle with a young Rogue

What is the right age for a Magneto love interest given that he is actually nearly 90 in the body of someone in his 30s given he was de-aged and re-aged to the prime of his life? Magneto could be Rogue's great grandfather in terms of age, but Wolverine could be her great great great grandfather and yet no one would have a problem about the age issue.

eh, Magneto was restored to the "prime of his life" in the 70's, so even by marvel time, physically he should be pushing 50 by now.

That's not really the issue for me though, it's more that he's known Rogue since she was a teenager that makes it weird for me. If he hadn't met her until she was an adult, like, say Wolverine and Storm, I probably wouldn't think it was weird. But since he's known her since she was a child and he was not only an adult but a teacher at her school, it kind of crosses some boundaries for me.

not that characters in a story shouldn't cross boundaries, but it's still too weird for writers to act to act like those boundaries aren't there.

#19 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4260 posts) - - Show Bio

As long as we're chronicling Rogue/Mags involvement, don't forget the whole Joseph thing.

My dear, allow me to correct ya. Rogue's actually pretty darn old. She's not a teeny booper. When she was first introduced, she looked and acted about 35 or 40. She seems to have gotten YOUNGER over the years. Although, around the 90's they essentially transformed her into a totally different character. Back in the 80's she was real butch, the suddenly and for no apparent reason they transmogrified her into this sex symbol.

Rogue may have been drawn like she was in her 30's in her first appearance, but by the time she joined the X-men in 83', she was definitely written (and drawn) to still be a teenager. Magneto's definitely known Rogue since she was a kid.

#20 Posted by Moonlighterstone (165 posts) - - Show Bio

@moonlighterstone said:

As long as we're chronicling Rogue/Mags involvement, don't forget the whole Joseph thing.

My dear, allow me to correct ya. Rogue's actually pretty darn old. She's not a teeny booper. When she was first introduced, she looked and acted about 35 or 40. She seems to have gotten YOUNGER over the years. Although, around the 90's they essentially transformed her into a totally different character. Back in the 80's she was real butch, the suddenly and for no apparent reason they transmogrified her into this sex symbol.

Rogue may have been drawn like she was in her 30's in her first appearance, but by the time she joined the X-men in 83', she was definitely written (and drawn) to still be a teenager. Magneto's definitely known Rogue since she was a kid.

That's my point here crawler, she's not a kid anymore.

#21 Posted by BlackArmor (6134 posts) - - Show Bio

@mn_logan said:

It was mad creepy.

Couldn't have said it better myself

#22 Edited by oldnightcrawler (4260 posts) - - Show Bio

That's my point here crawler, she's not a kid anymore.

my point was that even if she's in her mid-late 20's now, he still knew her when she was a kid and he was an adult.

like I said before, if he hadn't known her until she was an adult, I doubt I'd think it was weird at all, regardless of the age difference. But he knew her as a kid first, and that makes it weird.

It would be like if Wolverine went for Kitty; she's an adult now, but he knew her as a child so it'd be weird. Whereas, with Storm, for example, Wolverine may be old enough to be her grandfather, but he didn't know her until she was an adult, so it doesn't seem weird.

see the difference?

#23 Posted by Poze11 (94 posts) - - Show Bio

Poor Rogue, so many criticism, just for falling for someone much older then her, and for not knowing exactly how old she is, Magneto gets to be blamed. I'm not saying it's right, but to love someone is to love conditionally accepted. Magneto can be an old man, but he's body says otherwise. I guess he got his way with ladies. Ha.

#24 Edited by oldnightcrawler (4260 posts) - - Show Bio

@poze11 said:

Poor Rogue, so many criticism, just for falling for someone much older then her, and for not knowing exactly how old she is, Magneto gets to be blamed. I'm not saying it's right, but to love someone is to love conditionally accepted. Magneto can be an old man, but he's body says otherwise. I guess he got his way with ladies. Ha.

you mean unconditionally, right?

for the record, I'm not criticizing Rogue for falling for Magneto, that much makes sense to me. I'm criticizing the idea that Magneto would reciprocate feelings for a woman he knew when she was a child and he was an adult (and a teacher at her school).

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for unconditional love, but that's not what romantic love is; and it's the romantic implications that make it inappropriate.

#25 Posted by HAWK2916 (1591 posts) - - Show Bio

I just think it's sly way of further trying to vilify Magneto and coincidentally portray Rogue as the dumb Southern belle. I would have preferred if they left it alone

#26 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4260 posts) - - Show Bio

@hawk2916 said:

I just think it's sly way of further trying to vilify Magneto and coincidentally portray Rogue as the dumb Southern belle. I would have preferred if they left it alone

you know, I never would have thought of it that way, and I sort of doubt that was ever anyone's intention, but it does sort of end up feeling like that, doesn't it?

#27 Posted by Poze11 (94 posts) - - Show Bio

@oldnightcrawler: Yes, I mean unconditionally. Is not like Rogue is his daughter and they committed a sin. Magneto might be Magneto, but he's still a guy. What guy is gonna denied a hot chick that's all over him, Unless she's a minor or related? Would you?

#28 Posted by HAWK2916 (1591 posts) - - Show Bio

@oldnightcrawler: yeah. Thats what I mean. Im not so sure that wasnt the intention but either way it certainly felt like it. Almost like when someone tried to make it that Xavier was secretly in love with Jean Grey. I felt both instances were a way of discrediting both iconic characters

#29 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (2767 posts) - - Show Bio

It looks like rogue is making out with her grandpa. Gambit and Rogue=Forever

#30 Edited by oldnightcrawler (4260 posts) - - Show Bio

@poze11 said:

@oldnightcrawler: Yes, I mean unconditionally. Is not like Rogue is his daughter and they committed a sin. Magneto might be Magneto, but he's still a guy. What guy is gonna denied a hot chick that's all over him, Unless she's a minor or related? Would you?

I don't think I would. If your first impression of someone is as a child, it seems weird to me to think that they would suddenly become "hot", regardless of what they grew up to be like. Imagine it like if one of your school teachers ended up dating someone you went to school with; it wouldn't matter if that person was an adult when they started dating, it wouldn't even matter that Rogue wasn't in Magneto's class, it would still be weird. It would be like if Xavier dated her, that was their initial relationship.

@hawk2916 said:

@oldnightcrawler: yeah. Thats what I mean. Im not so sure that wasnt the intention but either way it certainly felt like it. Almost like when someone tried to make it that Xavier was secretly in love with Jean Grey. I felt both instances were a way of discrediting both iconic characters

see, to me, that was obviously meant to be inappropriate; that was kind of the point of it. With Rogue and Magneto, I think it was just ill-conceived.

(nice timing, by the way :v)

#31 Edited by Moonlighterstone (165 posts) - - Show Bio

@moonlighterstone said:

That's my point here crawler, she's not a kid anymore.

my point was that even if she's in her mid-late 20's now, he still knew her when she was a kid and he was an adult.

like I said before, if he hadn't known her until she was an adult, I doubt I'd think it was weird at all, regardless of the age difference. But he knew her as a kid first, and that makes it weird.

It would be like if Wolverine went for Kitty; she's an adult now, but he knew her as a child so it'd be weird. Whereas, with Storm, for example, Wolverine may be old enough to be her grandfather, but he didn't know her until she was an adult, so it doesn't seem weird.

see the difference?

You mean great, great, and maybe great grandfather? Sure.

I don't have a problem with the age difference specifically, but I respect the people who are squicked out about it.

If Wolverine ever openly lusted after Rogue, Kitty or Jubilee like Magneto is Lusting after Rogue, yeah, you can bet there would be a problem. I bet most people consider the implications of Magneto being attracted to someone who is younger then his own kids they'd feel a bit weary about it.

Also, how many times has Magneto been called an "old man" in the last few months? If there is some unspoken rule about him being held to this de-aging, but then almost always continuing to be the butt of a joke for his age is even more hilarious.

But as I pointed out, the age difference between Jean and Logan is greater than that between Rogue and Magneto. Logan is at least old enough to be Magneto's father, but Jean is too young to be Rogue's mother, yet there were no complaints on age grounds about Logan lusting after Jean. So, I guess I think there's a bit of hypocrisy about people harping on the the age difference between Magneto and Rogue.

Rogue and Magneto never dated. They f*#@ a couple of times, but it was just for fun. They aren't really in a relationship, many fans think this means they're in love and in a long term relationship. They freaked out. Apparently sex=love/devotion

#32 Posted by lykopis (10756 posts) - - Show Bio

Forced. Unbelievable and nonsensical. Having Rogue be attracted to Magneto is all shades of wrong (for the character), let alone potentially falling in love with him.

Ridiculous. I'm glad it's over(ish).

#33 Posted by Moonlighterstone (165 posts) - - Show Bio

I also wonder which one is more stupid, Rogue and Magneto or Mystique and Iceman lol.

#34 Posted by adamTRMM (1301 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually, now I think another flaw of this relationship came up which was the lack of reference from other X-men about their "thing", I mean they were a pretty controversial couple yet everyone seemed understanding that "two adults are now trying a new thing and that's absolutely normal" and that's how things don't happen in cases like this... especially not like this.

#35 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

Since he got de-aged I'm not against it, but eh. It never really won me over either. Just kinda skimmed over those scenes. Rogue's romances were always like the least interesting to me because so often the challenges were strictly physical: she can't be touched. So it's like, the complication for her romances were always the same no matter who the other person was. That gets old.

#36 Posted by Rabidwolfdog (259 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't mind Rogue being with Magneto. First off the relationship with her and Bobby, was faulted. Gambit and Her , in TAS they were perfect. But in Comics Gambit does to much, playing the field. So When it comes down to the nitty gritty, Magneto adds some stability to someone who lives a very unbalance life like Rogue.

#37 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1558 posts) - - Show Bio

Creepy as hell.

#38 Edited by HexThis (884 posts) - - Show Bio

Magneto's taste in women is so confusing. He's so unpredictable, he slept with Lee Forrester after she left Scott, he got with Ameila Voight after she left Charles, he fell for his physician, he slept with Wasp and was angry at her for dismissing him, Omega Sentinel was another one he had this cute little affection for, and, just like Charles, he had thing for jailbait Jean.