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Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (3583 posts) 10 months, 18 days ago

Poll: What event was better AvX or BotA (56 votes)

AvX 46%
BotA 54%

I cant beleve I'm saying this but I actually liked AvX better. Its made Cyclops go in a different direction and superheros fighting other superheros(how often do you see that???

#1 Edited by Squares (7452 posts) - - Show Bio

They both suck.

#2 Edited by Tohoma (1513 posts) - - Show Bio

BotA is better imo.

#3 Edited by Wolverine08 (43572 posts) - - Show Bio

@squares said:

They both suck.

More or less.

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#4 Posted by HumanRocket (8601 posts) - - Show Bio

The only thing about BOTA that i can say was good was seeing different versions of the x men in the future. But the story itself...to much time travel.

#5 Edited by Xwraith (19289 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't like either.

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#6 Edited by adamTRMM (1856 posts) - - Show Bio

While AvX had it's moments, every X-fan knows why and how bad it was. Now, BOTA is the whole new different kind of sh*t. Honestly, I'd really like to stop complain and start to enjoy, I just don't get a chance.

#7 Posted by batmannflash (6224 posts) - - Show Bio

Do people not understand this question?

It doesn't matter if you hated both, you can still pick a "better" one.

#8 Edited by dbatdog (548 posts) - - Show Bio

i got to go with both of them sucks...that's why i dropped the all new x-men...thank you marvel.

#9 Posted by PeppeyHare (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

BOTA

#10 Posted by GrenadeFlow (1561 posts) - - Show Bio

AvX was better IMO. BOTA made me dropped All New X-Men and Uncanny X-Men

#11 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (3583 posts) - - Show Bio

AvX was better IMO. BOTA made me dropped All New X-Men and Uncanny X-Men

hopefully x-men will get better

#12 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4703 posts) - - Show Bio

The story in the Avengers Vs. X-Men 12 issue series was better considerably than the story of the Battle of the Atom 10 issue crossover.

But the Avengers vs. X-Men 82 issue "event", that dominated almost every X-men and Avengers comic that came out for six or seven months, that sucked.

Battle of the Atom wasn't good, but at least it was over quickly and wasn't stretched over too many books. It was kind of just like All-new X-men crossed over into the other X-men books for a few months and now it's over.

#13 Posted by JonSmith (3996 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll say BotA was better than AvX, but that's not really saying a great deal.

#14 Edited by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (3583 posts) - - Show Bio

The story in the Avengers Vs. X-Men 12 issue series was better considerably than the story of the Battle of the Atom 10 issue crossover.

But the Avengers vs. X-Men 82 issue "event", that dominated almost every X-men and Avengers comic that came out for six or seven months, that sucked.

Battle of the Atom wasn't good, but at least it was over quickly and wasn't stretched over too many books. It was kind of just like All-new X-men crossed over into the other X-men books for a few months and now it's over.

So true especially with the middle part. Too many tie-ins

#15 Edited by HAWK2916 (1885 posts) - - Show Bio

BOTA was one of the worst ever. I actually felt ashamed to be an xfan. AVX could have been done better but by far it is superior. AVX all the way!!!!

#16 Edited by oldnightcrawler (4703 posts) - - Show Bio

So true especially with the middle part. Too many tie-ins

It's one of the ways that Secret Wars (1984, 12 issues) was better than Secret Wars II (1985, 43 issues): it was completely self-contained.

I find most Marvel event books are decent, in and of themselves, but generally just end up spreading the ideas too thin between too many (generally superfluous) tie-ins with on-going series.

Strait-up crossovers (or event-crossover hybrids) are just generally weak on characterization anyway, compared to any half-decent run of just about any on-going book.

#17 Posted by Rickbarry (1813 posts) - - Show Bio

AvX. It actually mattered in terms of team shake ups and created a new direction for a host of characters. Battle of the Atom has been forgotten already.

#18 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4703 posts) - - Show Bio

AvX. It actually mattered in terms of team shake ups and created a new direction for a host of characters. Battle of the Atom has been forgotten already.

This is a good point, and it is one of the things I actually did like about AvsX was the way that it changed the directions for a lot of characters. And it was just a better story, even if I wasn't crazy about the execution of it.

BotA, was, in my opinion, just not a great story (or well executed).

That said, I do feel like part of the direction they wanted to go coming out of it was to make the individual books more autonomous, and, at least in that they seem to be going in the right direction.

#19 Edited by tomchu (522 posts) - - Show Bio

@rickbarry said:

AvX. It actually mattered in terms of team shake ups and created a new direction for a host of characters. Battle of the Atom has been forgotten already.

This is a good point, and it is one of the things I actually did like about AvsX was the way that it changed the directions for a lot of characters. And it was just a better story, even if I wasn't crazy about the execution of it.

BotA, was, in my opinion, just not a great story (or well executed).

That said, I do feel like part of the direction they wanted to go coming out of it was to make the individual books more autonomous, and, at least in that they seem to be going in the right direction.

It feels like BotA had really, really little impact overall. A bunch of new characters die, not that many new characters are introduced which arent some by-product of an old character, Kitty Pryde changes sides. No one really dies, no significant new X-Men, and the dream is exactly the in same position as it was before.

AvX, while bad, at least made some progress in pushing X-Books in a new direction. Just use a Before/After chart.

#20 Posted by phisigmatau (522 posts) - - Show Bio

awful both awful

#21 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7301 posts) - - Show Bio

In retrospect, the decline of quality in these respective stories and the amount of line-wide hype and marketing promotion put into their release prior to hitting the shelves--really makes you wonder about how Marvel feels about the X-Office. AvX was one thing and BOTA was something else altogether. They could have been amazing stories, classics even, but no...

#22 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (12001 posts) - - Show Bio

BoTA. AvX painted Cyclops as a villain. He's not.

#23 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4703 posts) - - Show Bio

In retrospect, the decline of quality in these respective stories and the amount of line-wide hype and marketing promotion put into their release prior to hitting the shelves--really makes you wonder about how Marvel feels about the X-Office. AvX was one thing and BOTA was something else altogether. They could have been amazing stories, classics even, but no...

This is a good point. I actually think that in 5 or 10 years, AvsX probably will be considered a classic by many. By then, lots of people will have read it in trade format, without having to wade through (or ignore) months of tie-ins, and it will be looked at with some nostalgia as an epic of a bygone era, like the Secret Wars, the Civil War, or House of M.

BotA will probably only be fondly remembered by people who feel nostalgic about the "All-new X-men" because that's the X-men they grew up with or started reading first or whatever, having little to offer anyone else.

#24 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7301 posts) - - Show Bio
#25 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4703 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Edited by THUNDERBOLT30 (10646 posts) - - Show Bio

In retrospect, the decline of quality in these respective stories and the amount of line-wide hype and marketing promotion put into their release prior to hitting the shelves--really makes you wonder about how Marvel feels about the X-Office. AvX was one thing and BOTA was something else altogether. They could have been amazing stories, classics even, but no...

Well said.

#27 Posted by Farkam (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

They both sucked.

#28 Posted by poisonfleur (3066 posts) - - Show Bio

They both had their highlights and they both had there pointless stupid moments.

And honestly I felt they both could have gone in better directions storywise.


#29 Posted by bigtewell (749 posts) - - Show Bio

avx had its flaws but the overall story wasnt that bad. it just kinda took over too much of the marvel comics. bota seemed kinda pointless and didnt make much of an impact. but it was that large. i however did like avxs outcomes but the only real outcomes i liked from bota was the o5 joining cyclops and how watxm new series will focus more on kid omega and other students

#30 Posted by adamTRMM (1856 posts) - - Show Bio

I know it's maybe a blasphemy, but I found the concept of P5 really exciting. They were portrayed kibda crazy mostly, but as the force itself bound heavily to mutant stories I don't think it should be associated with JG only, so seeing other mutants, especially Cycolps merge with it was an iteresting idea. It wasn't handled that good though, because you know 'CA was right'. It still was nice to see Cyclops from PF point of view this time. While in BOTA I couldn't find a single panel I could enjoy.

#31 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (3583 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm said:

I know it's maybe a blasphemy, but I found the concept of P5 really exciting. They were portrayed kibda crazy mostly, but as the force itself bound heavily to mutant stories I don't think it should be associated with JG only, so seeing other mutants, especially Cycolps merge with it was an iteresting idea. It wasn't handled that good though, because you know 'CA was right'. It still was nice to see Cyclops from PF point of view this time. While in BOTA I couldn't find a single panel I could enjoy.

Plus battle of the atom had annoying sub-plots like dazzler president or emma vs jean(for the millionth time). Although Kitty leaving with the o5 to join cykes team was a $%&*&-slap to the face for wolverine....lol

#32 Edited by tigerkaya (1262 posts) - - Show Bio

Haven't known much of BOTA but AvsX really pissed me off the most. It taught me that X-men truly are better off in their own mythos isolated from the Marvel U. Plus it brought about Uncanny Avengers another reason to hate the event. It was one sided, out of character and above all else characters from Gambit to Thor were nothing more than punching bags to laughable. Even the fights at times seemed out of place, as in Spider-Man beating Firelord horrid. So in short, X-men go back to dealing with mutant problems and Avengers should stay as far away from mutant issues as possible.

#33 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1675 posts) - - Show Bio

AvX Had ridiculous reasoning for why the heroes were fighting each other. BotA had everyone apparently forgetting why exactly time travel is a bad thing, and why you shouldn't try to fix time travel with more time travel. So both rely on everyone being an idiot. Gonna go with AvX, I didn't like the way so many characters were involved, but at least it further shook things up and changed the status quo.

#34 Edited by CheeseSticks (2519 posts) - - Show Bio

AvX was better because it had actual action. BOTA was just terrible dialogue and slow pace event. It could have been done in 3 issues.

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#35 Posted by GonnaRain (752 posts) - - Show Bio

AvX had the Phoenix 5 costumes, therefore, it's better for me.

#36 Edited by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (3583 posts) - - Show Bio

AvX Had ridiculous reasoning for why the heroes were fighting each other. BotA had everyone apparently forgetting why exactly time travel is a bad thing, and why you shouldn't try to fix time travel with more time travel. So both rely on everyone being an idiot. Gonna go with AvX, I didn't like the way so many characters were involved, but at least it further shook things up and changed the status quo.

AvX was better because it had actual action. BOTA was just terrible dialogue and slow pace event. It could have been done in 3 issues.

Both make good points. I still like avx better. No one would remember bota except x-men fans

#37 Edited by oldnightcrawler (4703 posts) - - Show Bio

  1. Haven't known much of BOTA but AvsX really pissed me off the most. It taught me that X-men truly are better off in their own mythos isolated from the Marvel U.
  2. Plus it brought about Uncanny Avengers another reason to hate the event. It was one sided, out of character and above all else characters from Gambit to Thor were nothing more than punching bags to laughable. Even the fights at times seemed out of place, as in Spider-Man beating Firelord horrid. So in short, X-men go back to dealing with mutant problems and Avengers should stay as far away from mutant issues as possible.

1. haha! you really never talk about anything other than this weird fantasy of yours, do you?

2. Though Avengers Vs. X-Men was a pretty week event (like most big crossover events), Uncanny Avengers is still the best Avengers book in years. If you want to give credit to AvsX for bringing this wonderful book into existence, it just serves as more justification for big, sloppy events like it. But no one needs to read AvsX to rationalize Uncanny Avengers, it stands just fine on it's own.

Because Uncanny Avengers is great!

:P

#38 Posted by HAWK2916 (1885 posts) - - Show Bio

@oldnightcrawler: I agree with this. In fact i will go a step further and say that Uncanny Avengers is not only the best Avengers book out right now but also the best Xmen book as well. This current arc feels like a huge event and is much more worthy of being the 50th anniversary event than what we got. In fact AVX itself could have been the 50th anniversary event, it was that big as far as changing the status quo. I personally would have loved to get more time with Gillen's concept of the Extinction team prior to everything being sucked into the AVX story.

#39 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (3583 posts) - - Show Bio

@hawk2916:

Also BotA was suppose to be the 50 anniversary of x-men that "we were waiting for" and it was just nothing except for the same old thing. Aslo BotA should have been shorter and if the 51th anniversary is writing by bendis again and not going to even bother with it.

#41 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (3583 posts) - - Show Bio

@tigerkaya said:
  1. Haven't known much of BOTA but AvsX really pissed me off the most. It taught me that X-men truly are better off in their own mythos isolated from the Marvel U.
  2. Plus it brought about Uncanny Avengers another reason to hate the event. It was one sided, out of character and above all else characters from Gambit to Thor were nothing more than punching bags to laughable. Even the fights at times seemed out of place, as in Spider-Man beating Firelord horrid. So in short, X-men go back to dealing with mutant problems and Avengers should stay as far away from mutant issues as possible.

1. haha! you really never talk about anything other than this weird fantasy of yours, do you?

2. Though Avengers Vs. X-Men was a pretty week event (like most big crossover events), Uncanny Avengers is still the best Avengers book in years. If you want to give credit to AvsX for bringing this wonderful book into existence, it just serves as more justification for big, sloppy events like it. But no one needs to read AvsX to rationalize Uncanny Avengers, it stands just fine on it's own.

Because Uncanny Avengers is great!

:P

Is it just me or is uncanny avengers trying to still push avengers rather then x-men? They killed off Rogue. Havok looks like a joke being in-charge, which by the way captain america did to make scott jealous/angry.....lol

Uncanny avengers does have some x-men in it but it still feels like an avengers book then x-men and not mixed like its suppose to be.

#42 Posted by TheFirstLantern (1509 posts) - - Show Bio

@squares said:

They both suck.

i agree. I only liked the AVX issue with Spider-Man taking down Colossus and Magik

#43 Posted by The_Goddess_of_Chaos (315 posts) - - Show Bio

@squares said:

They both suck.

i agree. I only liked the AVX issue with Spider-Man taking down Colossus and Magik

lol i liked that issue too. I cant believe people liked BotA, all it had was the same old story and more drama then fighting/battles. I mean there was suppose to be an epic change at the end of bota but there wasn't except for kitty and the o5 leaving or knowing that shield has sentinels. Even more confusing how the hell did maria hill not know about the sentinels and the missiles/bombs. Thats her fr#%$ing job, it made her look like an idiot.

#44 Posted by TheFirstLantern (1509 posts) - - Show Bio

@thefirstlantern said:

@squares said:

They both suck.

i agree. I only liked the AVX issue with Spider-Man taking down Colossus and Magik

lol i liked that issue too. I cant believe people liked BotA, all it had was the same old story and more drama then fighting/battles. I mean there was suppose to be an epic change at the end of bota but there wasn't except for kitty and the o5 leaving or knowing that shield has sentinels. Even more confusing how the hell did maria hill not know about the sentinels and the missiles/bombs. Thats her fr#%$ing job, it made her look like an idiot.

Totally agree with you. What a waste of my money. I only have that one issue, my teacher bought the whole story and i felt bad for him.

#45 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4703 posts) - - Show Bio

Is it just me or is uncanny avengers trying to still push avengers rather then x-men? They killed off Rogue. Havok looks like a joke being in-charge, which by the way captain america did to make scott jealous/angry.....lol

Uncanny avengers does have some x-men in it but it still feels like an avengers book then x-men and not mixed like its suppose to be.

have you actually read it?

if you haven't, you should. It is an Avengers book (still don't get why people don't get that..), but it's also one of the best books marvel's put out in years. I'm an X-men fan, and this is the first time in years that either Rogue or Havok have been interesting or relevant.

At least read it before you judge.

#46 Posted by jhazzroucher (16126 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say AvX a little better. But both of them weren't really good.

#47 Posted by The Stegman (24990 posts) - - Show Bio

AvX is the lesser of two evils.

#48 Edited by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (3583 posts) - - Show Bio

AvX is the lesser of two evils.

lol

I'd say AvX a little better. But both of them weren't really good.

Agreed

#49 Posted by SummersBlood (32 posts) - - Show Bio

Any X-Men event can ultimately be judged by its usage of the Fastball Special:

AvX - Magneto & Colossus taking down a SHIELD helicarrier

BotA: Ice Hulk & Raze

Since nobody cares about the latter two characters, AvX takes the win.

#50 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (3583 posts) - - Show Bio

Any X-Men event can ultimately be judged by its usage of the Fastball Special:

AvX - Magneto & Colossus taking down a SHIELD helicarrier

BotA: Ice Hulk & Raze

Since nobody cares about the latter two characters, AvX takes the win.

Right on :)