Time travel and dimension questions

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a. 616 and 811 are dimensions?

b.what's the difference?

c. from what dimension does rachel come from?

d. when time travelers leap from one time to another, is there assurance that they travel in the same dimension or can they be swept away from one dimension to another?

e. is age of apocalypse from 616 or 811?

f. is BOTA future from 616 or 811?

g. is days of the future past 616 or 811?

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a. earth 811 was the future of 616 until future kitty came back and prevented the assassination of robert kelly. then 811 became a alternate earth/timeline.

b.Earth 811 is a future earth where sentinels rule over the Mutants. The earliest divergence is that Jean calmed down when she confronted her parents as Dark phoenix so she didn't destroy that star that caused the shiar duel of honor. As a result she lived and had a child with cyclops who grew up to be Rachel summers. The other difference is that the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants assassinated Senator Robert Kelly and as a result the anti-mutant government passed a Mutant Control Act and activated Sentinels to eliminate mutants. The Sentinels wiped out most mutants and moved the rest into concentration camps.

c. Rachel comes from Earth 811.

d. That is actually what happened to Rachel Summers. She meant to travel back in time on her own earth but went back in time to an alternate earth.

e. The Age of Apocalypse is Earth 295.

f. BOTA is, as of this moment, the future of 616.

G. Days of Future Past is Earth 811.

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omg. so rachel isnt a daughter of jean but of the phoenix force itself?

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omg. so rachel isnt a daughter of jean but of the phoenix force itself?

No, she is the daughter of Jean and Logan.

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#6  Edited By AgeofHurricane

I don't think Rachel's ever gonna be her own, independent character if fans/creators are forever running around in circles as to what her familial relations dictate. ffs. It's kind of annoying. Has she ever had a storyline of recent that didn't have anything to with with being Howlett/Summers/Grey/Phoenix/From the future?

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@darthphoenix said:

omg. so rachel isnt a daughter of jean but of the phoenix force itself?

No, she is the daughter of Jean and Logan.

No, she was always the daughter of Jean and Scott.

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@avenger85 said:

@darthphoenix said:

omg. so rachel isnt a daughter of jean but of the phoenix force itself?

No, she is the daughter of Jean and Logan.

No, she was always the daughter of Jean and Scott.

No, she was always the daughter of Jean and Logan.

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#9  Edited By devilsgrin81

@avenger85 said:

@hammertron said:

@avenger85 said:

@darthphoenix said:

omg. so rachel isnt a daughter of jean but of the phoenix force itself?

No, she is the daughter of Jean and Logan.

No, she was always the daughter of Jean and Scott.

No, she was always the daughter of Jean and Logan.

don't know why you think Jean and Logan... coz its Jean and Scott

do we not recall all the years... over 20 real world years, where she was Rachel Summers...? She's only Rachel Grey as an homage to Jean.

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@devilsgrin81 said:

@avenger85 said:

@hammertron said:

@avenger85 said:

@darthphoenix said:

omg. so rachel isnt a daughter of jean but of the phoenix force itself?

No, she is the daughter of Jean and Logan.

No, she was always the daughter of Jean and Scott.

No, she was always the daughter of Jean and Logan.

don't know why you think Jean and Logan... coz its Jean and Scott

do we not recall all the years... over 20 real world years, where she was Rachel Summers...? She's only Rachel Grey as an homage to Jean.

Send her to Maury.

"Cyclops, you are not the father !"

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@devilsgrin81 said:

@avenger85 said:

@hammertron said:

@avenger85 said:

@darthphoenix said:

omg. so rachel isnt a daughter of jean but of the phoenix force itself?

No, she is the daughter of Jean and Logan.

No, she was always the daughter of Jean and Scott.

No, she was always the daughter of Jean and Logan.

don't know why you think Jean and Logan... coz its Jean and Scott

do we not recall all the years... over 20 real world years, where she was Rachel Summers...? She's only Rachel Grey as an homage to Jean.

Send her to Maury.

"Cyclops, you are not the father !"

instead of debating over a fact that is known and has been known for years ill ask for proof that she isnt scott's daughter.... and same question ive had for along time the "Jean" in question was not jean but the phoenix force in jean's form making her the daughter of the phoenix force and cyclops