#1 Edited by martinceld (586 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate used to be considered the most powerful psi then he became really weak then just totally disappeared. With so much focus on scott and jean these days might as well bring nate back for a family reunion

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#2 Posted by Avenger85 (1824 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate Grey, Cable and Rachel may get retconned out of existence in the near future.

#3 Edited by XsPectre28 (719 posts) - - Show Bio

im hoping that that isnt the case but with the whole Original Sin arc anything is possible.... seeing that Angela is now said to be Odin's daughter i am now at a point were ainything can happen in marvel U. i love the summers family, i feel that cable, rachel & nate should have joined scott when he left the x-men to form the Xavier school

#4 Posted by Dernman (15112 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate Grey, Cable and Rachel may get retconned out of existence in the near future.

Except for Cable I'm hoping it's true.

#5 Posted by XsPectre28 (719 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:

@avenger85 said:

Nate Grey, Cable and Rachel may get retconned out of existence in the near future.

Except for Cable I'm hoping it's true.

without rachel, there would be no cable.... he would have died when infected by the TO virus

#6 Edited by TheGreyOutcastX (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate Grey, Cable and Rachel may get retconned out of existence in the near future.

Doubt it. All of them have had roles in Major X-Events that would destroy years of Continuity and the Marvel Universe if altered. It would cause more problems than it would solve. Cable is likely getting an X-Force movie so Marvel will definitely try to cash in on that.

#7 Posted by Dernman (15112 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:

@avenger85 said:

Nate Grey, Cable and Rachel may get retconned out of existence in the near future.

Except for Cable I'm hoping it's true.

without rachel, there would be no cable.... he would have died when infected by the TO virus

It's something that can be easily worked around especially when time travel is involved. Even if not Cable is an acceptable loss.

#8 Posted by XsPectre28 (719 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:

@xspectre28 said:

@dernman said:

@avenger85 said:

Nate Grey, Cable and Rachel may get retconned out of existence in the near future.

Except for Cable I'm hoping it's true.

without rachel, there would be no cable.... he would have died when infected by the TO virus

It's something that can be easily worked around especially when time travel is involved. Even if not Cable is an acceptable loss.

how could that have been worked around, if rachel hadnt sent for cable he would have died as an infant, had he died as an infant scott and jean would never have went into the future to raise him, cable wouldnt have defeated apocalypse in the future, rachel wouldnt have sent scott and jean to the past to battle apocalypse in past right after he created sinister which prompted sinister's infatuation with the summers/grey genome.... and a whole slew of other domino effects thereafter... cant be worked around even with time-travel

#9 Posted by LordMordor (156 posts) - - Show Bio

they may change the current timeline status quo....but I HIGHLY doubt they will erase 3 characters in the process.

There are easy enough ways to deal with the O5 learning their futures and altering their life paths that don't involve drastically changing the current timeline. It would be WAY to much work to not only retcon Scott/Jeans kids out of existence, then drastically change major prominent character personalities, then drastically alter how events transpired due to those characters changing....which is what would happen if the O5 really did completely change the past of the current timeline characters.

Either nothing actually changes with the O5, or despite supposedly being from the 616 timeline...an alternate timeline will be created to compensate.

#10 Posted by Koays (1817 posts) - - Show Bio

This entire argument is based on the idea that Marvel will reboot it's universe despite no evidence and the fact that there launching more new titles each month then DC and Marvel combined did last year. O5 Jean Grey becoming the new standard Jean for 616 is the biggest change they would commit too and they would right around anything else.

#11 Posted by Dernman (15112 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:

@xspectre28 said:

@dernman said:

@avenger85 said:

Nate Grey, Cable and Rachel may get retconned out of existence in the near future.

Except for Cable I'm hoping it's true.

without rachel, there would be no cable.... he would have died when infected by the TO virus

It's something that can be easily worked around especially when time travel is involved. Even if not Cable is an acceptable loss.

how could that have been worked around, if rachel hadnt sent for cable he would have died as an infant, had he died as an infant scott and jean would never have went into the future to raise him, cable wouldnt have defeated apocalypse in the future, rachel wouldnt have sent scott and jean to the past to battle apocalypse in past right after he created sinister which prompted sinister's infatuation with the summers/grey genome.... and a whole slew of other domino effects thereafter... cant be worked around even with time-travel

Easy it could have been another alternate future PF user that started the clan.Maybe even Jean or Rachel herself that was never in this timeline. It's not like that isn't just one of a number of possible futures out there. Heck at this point it isn't even a possible future considering that Apocalypse is dead. So yeah time travel.

#12 Posted by XsPectre28 (719 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:

@xspectre28 said:

@dernman said:

@xspectre28 said:

@dernman said:

@avenger85 said:

Nate Grey, Cable and Rachel may get retconned out of existence in the near future.

Except for Cable I'm hoping it's true.

without rachel, there would be no cable.... he would have died when infected by the TO virus

It's something that can be easily worked around especially when time travel is involved. Even if not Cable is an acceptable loss.

how could that have been worked around, if rachel hadnt sent for cable he would have died as an infant, had he died as an infant scott and jean would never have went into the future to raise him, cable wouldnt have defeated apocalypse in the future, rachel wouldnt have sent scott and jean to the past to battle apocalypse in past right after he created sinister which prompted sinister's infatuation with the summers/grey genome.... and a whole slew of other domino effects thereafter... cant be worked around even with time-travel

Easy it could have been another alternate future PF user that started the clan.Maybe even Jean or Rachel herself that was never in this timeline. It's not like that isn't just one of a number of possible futures out there. Heck at this point it isn't even a possible future considering that Apocalypse is dead. So yeah time travel.

ur right there are different possible futures out there but most of them didnt come into furition until the others were tampered with, erased(rachel's timeline as well as the anaski timeline) there is still too much that would have to be changed to adjust to removing said characters.... read back on cable, nate, and rachel's influences thru the timestream and u will will see why undoing it would change more of the continuity than u know

#13 Edited by Dernman (15112 posts) - - Show Bio

@xspectre28 said:

@dernman said:

@xspectre28 said:

@dernman said:

@xspectre28 said:

@dernman said:

@avenger85 said:

Nate Grey, Cable and Rachel may get retconned out of existence in the near future.

Except for Cable I'm hoping it's true.

without rachel, there would be no cable.... he would have died when infected by the TO virus

It's something that can be easily worked around especially when time travel is involved. Even if not Cable is an acceptable loss.

how could that have been worked around, if rachel hadnt sent for cable he would have died as an infant, had he died as an infant scott and jean would never have went into the future to raise him, cable wouldnt have defeated apocalypse in the future, rachel wouldnt have sent scott and jean to the past to battle apocalypse in past right after he created sinister which prompted sinister's infatuation with the summers/grey genome.... and a whole slew of other domino effects thereafter... cant be worked around even with time-travel

Easy it could have been another alternate future PF user that started the clan.Maybe even Jean or Rachel herself that was never in this timeline. It's not like that isn't just one of a number of possible futures out there. Heck at this point it isn't even a possible future considering that Apocalypse is dead. So yeah time travel.

ur right there are different possible futures out there but most of them didnt come into furition until the others were tampered with, erased(rachel's timeline as well as the anaski timeline) there is still too much that would have to be changed to adjust to removing said characters.... read back on cable, nate, and rachel's influences thru the timestream and u will will see why undoing it would change more of the continuity than u know

Not there have been many possible futures going at a time. The MU future wasn't just set from what was going on in the X stories. Other books had their own futures. Like the one involving Kang and that's just one. There isn't too much that can't be handled by swapping in another character like I told you. I've read it and it wouldn't change all that much. Cable can still exist and be the character he is with few changes. Heck even now that that future no longer exists he would still be in the same boat which is being a product of a time that no longer exists. Heck isn't Rachel a product of a time that no longer exists. Why would it now suddenly be problem? Heck you could say either all that time travel left him unaffected or he was out of the timestream when the changes were being made. It takes very little effort to make it work with a little imagination.

Either way even if it couldn't work (it could easily) it would still be an acceptable loss to me to get rid of those characters.

#14 Posted by Erik (32812 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate Grey, Cable and Rachel may get retconned out of existence in the near future.

I doubt it. Rachel's time hasn't been a possible future for quite a while now. If it were possible to erase her, she would have already been gone ages ago.

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#15 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (3234 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays said:

This entire argument is based on the idea that Marvel will reboot it's universe despite no evidence and the fact that there launching more new titles each month then DC and Marvel combined did last year. O5 Jean Grey becoming the new standard Jean for 616 is the biggest change they would commit too and they would right around anything else.

that would explain how an older jean was last seen in uncanny avengers in planet x next to cable but its a AU, i think.

#16 Posted by adamTRMM (1783 posts) - - Show Bio

It's kinda funny Marvel acknowledge how messed up their time-lines are, so they decide to mess them up even more as the solution!

It does feel like the infamous big reboot is coming.

#17 Posted by darthphoenix (763 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenger85: Nate Grey, Cable and Rachel may get retconned out of existence in the near future.

Rachel will never be retconned out of existence. She's the only daughter of the phoenix itself. she said in excalibur that she only dies only to come back again. true enough that when she died of old age and stress in adventures of cyclops and phoenix, she was found in her younger self again in a different timeline.

nate grey- may be erased out of existence because his powers are more of like teen jean and marvel would favor teen jean more than him. it would be redundancy to be as powerful as his mom.

Cable- he has his own team and he doesnt look anything like his parents. let him be

#18 Posted by martinceld (586 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenger85: Nate Grey, Cable and Rachel may get retconned out of existence in the near future.

Rachel will never be retconned out of existence. She's the only daughter of the phoenix itself. she said in excalibur that she only dies only to come back again. true enough that when she died of old age and stress in adventures of cyclops and phoenix, she was found in her younger self again in a different timeline.

nate grey- may be erased out of existence because his powers are more of like teen jean and marvel would favor teen jean more than him. it would be redundancy to be as powerful as his mom.

Cable- he has his own team and he doesnt look anything like his parents. let him be

wth happened to cable's powerset though im so confused. his powers were buffed by blaquesmith then he was depowered then he got repowered and now what?i havent seen him use his powers in a long time.

@dernman said:

@xspectre28 said:

@dernman said:

@avenger85 said:

Nate Grey, Cable and Rachel may get retconned out of existence in the near future.

Except for Cable I'm hoping it's true.

without rachel, there would be no cable.... he would have died when infected by the TO virus

It's something that can be easily worked around especially when time travel is involved. Even if not Cable is an acceptable loss.

how could that have been worked around, if rachel hadnt sent for cable he would have died as an infant, had he died as an infant scott and jean would never have went into the future to raise him, cable wouldnt have defeated apocalypse in the future, rachel wouldnt have sent scott and jean to the past to battle apocalypse in past right after he created sinister which prompted sinister's infatuation with the summers/grey genome.... and a whole slew of other domino effects thereafter... cant be worked around even with time-travel

what issue do jean and scott battle apocalypse?

#19 Posted by XsPectre28 (719 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthphoenix said:

@avenger85: Nate Grey, Cable and Rachel may get retconned out of existence in the near future.

Rachel will never be retconned out of existence. She's the only daughter of the phoenix itself. she said in excalibur that she only dies only to come back again. true enough that when she died of old age and stress in adventures of cyclops and phoenix, she was found in her younger self again in a different timeline.

nate grey- may be erased out of existence because his powers are more of like teen jean and marvel would favor teen jean more than him. it would be redundancy to be as powerful as his mom.

Cable- he has his own team and he doesnt look anything like his parents. let him be

wth happened to cable's powerset though im so confused. his powers were buffed by blaquesmith then he was depowered then he got repowered and now what?i havent seen him use his powers in a long time.

@xspectre28 said:

@dernman said:

@xspectre28 said:

@dernman said:

@avenger85 said:

Nate Grey, Cable and Rachel may get retconned out of existence in the near future.

Except for Cable I'm hoping it's true.

without rachel, there would be no cable.... he would have died when infected by the TO virus

It's something that can be easily worked around especially when time travel is involved. Even if not Cable is an acceptable loss.

how could that have been worked around, if rachel hadnt sent for cable he would have died as an infant, had he died as an infant scott and jean would never have went into the future to raise him, cable wouldnt have defeated apocalypse in the future, rachel wouldnt have sent scott and jean to the past to battle apocalypse in past right after he created sinister which prompted sinister's infatuation with the summers/grey genome.... and a whole slew of other domino effects thereafter... cant be worked around even with time-travel

what issue do jean and scott battle apocalypse?

adventures of cyclops and phoenix... right after they left cable in the future after raising him for 12 years

#20 Posted by The Myth (553 posts) - - Show Bio

Only if they use a good writer who knows how to handle Nate's character and not just shoehorn him into the background or as a slot filler.