@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in a overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Bendis' X-23 isn't going to be any worse than Hopeless' AA or Gage's Academy X-23.
@papad1992: alright, but even if she could, why would she?
Because he's an annoying stereotypical anti-hero.
compared to who?
also, I asked why would she, not why would you.
This is one of the biggest problems with fan fiction..
It's just my opinion... I don't like him as a character. No deep meaning to that.
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in a overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Bendis' X-23 isn't going to be any worse than Hopeless' AA or Gage's Academy X-23.
Wrong. Sowrong lol.
@ageofhurricane:
Seriously? Why is it, the last three times I have seen M, she has been white?? I at LEAST thought she was ambiguously biracial or brown.
Seriously? Why is it, the last three times I have seen M, she has been white?? I at LEAST thought she was ambiguously biracial or brown.
Poison, the real and pure truth is that brown is the most expensive, natural and hard-to-come-by color in comics. Though her actual color is a little hard to tone down and specify, sometimes she's a little orange lol. Being that she's mixed race to simplify things.
#notowhitewash
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in a overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in an overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
The plot's stated in the solicit, would you like a bold copy-and-pasted version ?
She was perfect in Arena, coming back to the X-Men is character regression, even more so when you're doing nothing but snogging ambiguous bad boys while at it, as if she wasn't doing that prior to her opportune departure. Lol "She is now being written by Bendis", that is not a good thing--see Emma Frost.
I quite like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. That is my opinion, just as it is your opinion that you do not like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. And you can't say that because a character was written well by a writer in one series that it is regression for them to be done by another writer..... when he has not even written the character yet!?
Do tell what there is to like about Bendis'Frost in detail, if possible. I'm very intrigued as this is a first for me. It's not about who's writing who. Laura left the X-Men for specific reasons, she needed a change of environment and there was a change of dispositions. Her time was up. She needed to develop outside of their ranks and fully realize who she was, inside and out, without Hellion stalking her and Logan breathing down her back with binge-breath, and as it were, she liked it.
I've seen Bendis write a plethora of other females who should be strong and independent of the usual tropes. X-23 kissing some guy with her leg flicked in the air like that, written by Bendis, is more than an indication that she is going to regress. The story need not be shown. Bendis is typical.
I enjoy seeing Emma in a situation where she has none of the control that she had before. A situation Bendis has dumped her in. In fact since she has grown from her constant snide remarks I think she is far better off as a character. The scene where Emma is thought projecting and we can read her inner and outer turmoil in Uncanny X-men issue 2 was fascinating. In fact her whole conversation about her tenuous relationship with Scott was all highly interesting.
The same goes for the issue when she psychically converses with the Cuckoos. Here we see her vulnerable, yet at the same time showing the resilience of character we know from her. Again it is character development that many writers would never dare do.
And it's always about who is writing who. It is the writers who are the ones to place trust in, the writers who we want to both match and defy our expectations. And Bendis writes a fantastic, very unconventional Jessica Jones in Alias, which is a fantastic book that everyone should read.
I see. Thanks for your informative input.
But towards Laura, when said writer's decided to take a character out of their personal development train to showcase them in something seemingly less imaginative and on a different route, and when said writer has a reputation of drastically taking characters under his wing for "development" only to be found wanting a few issues later, disdain when it happens again is only warranted. Bendis has time and again hyped fans for years in dragging characters from the pit only to do the worst or do nothing at all (see Dazzler where she's since been used as a convenient foil for Mystique's mastermind of a plan.
X-23, honestly, does not need to be back with them again.
Tbh, without the snide remarks, you have a lifeless doll of what used to be--it's a definitive trait--her own definitive and distinct trait. That's who she is, snarks and snide and that's why her fans love her for it. Indeed he has left Emma in a different place from whence she used to be, the mighty have fallen, but he hasn't done anything of substance with it. She's still Scott's latex handbag and she's still lost in life since the first issue of UXM, which has, for the majority of the time, been another rendition on the life and times of Scott Summers. Emma's basically just standing around doing nothing or having convos with the Cuckoos. Heck, they've received more development than she has.
You can place characters in different contexts and change the dispositions, but when nothing's done with it, what's the point ? What's her motivation for actually being with Scott Summers and being a part of his revolution ? Your guy certainly hasn't delved into that.
She literally doesn't even sound like herself anymore. More like a Portland druggie. Jessica Jones on the other hand, is a Bendis creation--not a valid enough point of reference for how Bendis writes strong female characters (which he can't), in comparison to all else. go figure (but Alias wasgood).
I could go on, but i for one, see a very bleak, regressive and unimaginative future for X-23 now that she's no longer in Arena.
Well I have to disagree on this point, Bendis took Norman Osborn and made him a more interesting character than he ever was in the pages of Spider man. He took Jessica Drew and made Spider-woman a top tier character. He made forefront Avengers of those who would never have been on a roster before. In fact he made Luke Cage and Iron Fist two of the most prominent New Avengers for quite some time and wrote them in a way that they were able to relate to modern audiences. He made mocking bird a decent character, and his moonstone is a tremendous villain in Dark Avengers!
Emma has retained her snide, but her vulnerability as a person is coming through it as well. I also think that her reasons for acting as she is has been given better than it has been in a while. No longer is she doing something purely because she is Scott's blind follower, she believes in the mutant revolution. Her conversation about Xavier not being as much of a saint as Cyclops remembers hims seems to be some of the only dissenting words about Xavier since his death.
She is a brilliant teacher and she believes in the cause, she is one of the figureheads in fact. Yeah Scott is the lead, but this is similar to Captain America in the Avengers, or what wolverine used to be in the X-men where stories have one main figure head. And seeing her in Iron Man's face about the phoenix force was brilliant.
@poisonfleur: I don't think that's been an issue in a couple of years. The colorist have since fixed it amidst outcry from her fans and/or the brilliance of X-Factor cover artist David Yardin who's a Monet superfan and never really miscolored her skin.
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in a overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in an overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
The plot's stated in the solicit, would you like a bold copy-and-pasted version ?
She was perfect in Arena, coming back to the X-Men is character regression, even more so when you're doing nothing but snogging ambiguous bad boys while at it, as if she wasn't doing that prior to her opportune departure. Lol "She is now being written by Bendis", that is not a good thing--see Emma Frost.
I quite like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. That is my opinion, just as it is your opinion that you do not like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. And you can't say that because a character was written well by a writer in one series that it is regression for them to be done by another writer..... when he has not even written the character yet!?
Do tell what there is to like about Bendis'Frost in detail, if possible. I'm very intrigued as this is a first for me. It's not about who's writing who. Laura left the X-Men for specific reasons, she needed a change of environment and there was a change of dispositions. Her time was up. She needed to develop outside of their ranks and fully realize who she was, inside and out, without Hellion stalking her and Logan breathing down her back with binge-breath, and as it were, she liked it.
I've seen Bendis write a plethora of other females who should be strong and independent of the usual tropes. X-23 kissing some guy with her leg flicked in the air like that, written by Bendis, is more than an indication that she is going to regress. The story need not be shown. Bendis is typical.
I enjoy seeing Emma in a situation where she has none of the control that she had before. A situation Bendis has dumped her in. In fact since she has grown from her constant snide remarks I think she is far better off as a character. The scene where Emma is thought projecting and we can read her inner and outer turmoil in Uncanny X-men issue 2 was fascinating. In fact her whole conversation about her tenuous relationship with Scott was all highly interesting.
The same goes for the issue when she psychically converses with the Cuckoos. Here we see her vulnerable, yet at the same time showing the resilience of character we know from her. Again it is character development that many writers would never dare do.
And it's always about who is writing who. It is the writers who are the ones to place trust in, the writers who we want to both match and defy our expectations. And Bendis writes a fantastic, very unconventional Jessica Jones in Alias, which is a fantastic book that everyone should read.
I see. Thanks for your informative input.
But towards Laura, when said writer's decided to take a character out of their personal development train to showcase them in something seemingly less imaginative and on a different route, and when said writer has a reputation of drastically taking characters under his wing for "development" only to be found wanting a few issues later, disdain when it happens again is only warranted. Bendis has time and again hyped fans for years in dragging characters from the pit only to do the worst or do nothing at all (see Dazzler where she's since been used as a convenient foil for Mystique's mastermind of a plan.
X-23, honestly, does not need to be back with them again.
Tbh, without the snide remarks, you have a lifeless doll of what used to be--it's a definitive trait--her own definitive and distinct trait. That's who she is, snarks and snide and that's why her fans love her for it. Indeed he has left Emma in a different place from whence she used to be, the mighty have fallen, but he hasn't done anything of substance with it. She's still Scott's latex handbag and she's still lost in life since the first issue of UXM, which has, for the majority of the time, been another rendition on the life and times of Scott Summers. Emma's basically just standing around doing nothing or having convos with the Cuckoos. Heck, they've received more development than she has.
You can place characters in different contexts and change the dispositions, but when nothing's done with it, what's the point ? What's her motivation for actually being with Scott Summers and being a part of his revolution ? Your guy certainly hasn't delved into that.
She literally doesn't even sound like herself anymore. More like a Portland druggie. Jessica Jones on the other hand, is a Bendis creation--not a valid enough point of reference for how Bendis writes strong female characters (which he can't), in comparison to all else. go figure (but Alias wasgood).
I could go on, but i for one, see a very bleak, regressive and unimaginative future for X-23 now that she's no longer in Arena.
Well I have to disagree on this point, Bendis took Norman Osborn and made him a more interesting character than he ever was in the pages of Spider man. He took Jessica Drew and made Spider-woman a top tier character. He made forefront Avengers of those who would never have been on a roster before. In fact he made Luke Cage and Iron Fist two of the most prominent New Avengers for quite some time and wrote them in a way that they were able to relate to modern audiences. He made mocking bird a decent character, and his moonstone is a tremendous villain in Dark Avengers!
Emma has retained her snide, but her vulnerability as a person is coming through it as well. I also think that her reasons for acting as she is has been given better than it has been in a while. No longer is she doing something purely because she is Scott's blind follower, she believes in the mutant revolution. Her conversation about Xavier not being as much of a saint as Cyclops remembers hims seems to be some of the only dissenting words about Xavier since his death.
She is a brilliant teacher and she believes in the cause, she is one of the figureheads in fact. Yeah Scott is the lead, but this is similar to Captain America in the Avengers, or what wolverine used to be in the X-men where stories have one main figure head. And seeing her in Iron Man's face about the phoenix force was brilliant.
Osborn only seemed liked the most ingenious megalomaniac villain (i.e interesting) of his era because Bendis wrote the American public--maybe the whole world--as to having the mental capacities of newborn babies, in fact, lower than that. They were moronic idiots and time and time again, fell for all of his obvious tricks and lies. There wasn't much realism behind the development, even it is comics. It detracts from the quality.
Spiderwoman wasn't Spiderwoman while he handled her for the most part, that was Queen Veranke of the Skrulls. Shewas more 'developed' under Bendis' pen than the actual character, lol. And where, oh where, is she now? Furthermore, up until Secret Avengers, Mocking Bird's character began to revolve more around the "mock", having being killed in Bendis' new vol. of NA and having had any possible relationship with Clint pummeled because Bendis preferred JessicaxClint instead, and it hasn't done Jessica much good either.
She's vulnerable, but she was also formerly independent. Now she's just a tool. The woman has given absolutely everything to Summers and he's done nothing but throw it back in her face, with interest. She has no reason to be a part of a Mutant Revolution that hasn't even started ffs, like, she's Emma-bloody-Frost. I wouldn't mind it if, at least, there was this sub-plot within the series where Emma went off on her own for some soul-searching, cause, you know, that used to happen in the actual UXM, but there's not even that.
Nooo, she's just standing around not doing much. Her fans will tell you otherwise to what you think.
She's vulnerable, but she was also formerly independent. Now she's just a tool. The woman has given absolutely everything to Summers and he's done nothing but throw it back in her face, with interest. She has no reason to be a part of a Mutant Revolution that hasn't even started ffs, like, she's Emma-bloody-Frost. I wouldn't mind it if, at least, there was this sub-plot within the series where Emma went off on her own for some soul-searching, cause, you know, that used to happen in the actual UXM, but there's not even that.
Nooo, she's just standing around not doing much. Her fans will tell you otherwise to what you think
but i think she has no shoice but to join scotts revolution because she like he is wanted by the police/shield/avengers and so on
and why does Wood always make the x-guys seem so dumb, so he can make the women sound smart
lol wolverine would never whine like that
IIRC, the solicitation for that X-Men issue with what we presume is M on the front cover actually lists it as 'Frenzy'. I really hope not, M is a perfect addition to the cast.
Yeah, Wood said on CBR that he had scripted it originally for Frenzy, but turns out at the last minute, M, his first choice, became available. So it's Monet for sure.
OOoooOOoooo-- I love them both Frenzy and M! I couldn't decide. XD
LOL Although I did ask Brian Wood about why M's skin color is so inconsistent. I swear some days she is black, then Asian, then biracial, than white, than Indian, Latina... etc.. LOL
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in a overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in an overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
The plot's stated in the solicit, would you like a bold copy-and-pasted version ?
She was perfect in Arena, coming back to the X-Men is character regression, even more so when you're doing nothing but snogging ambiguous bad boys while at it, as if she wasn't doing that prior to her opportune departure. Lol "She is now being written by Bendis", that is not a good thing--see Emma Frost.
I quite like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. That is my opinion, just as it is your opinion that you do not like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. And you can't say that because a character was written well by a writer in one series that it is regression for them to be done by another writer..... when he has not even written the character yet!?
Do tell what there is to like about Bendis'Frost in detail, if possible. I'm very intrigued as this is a first for me. It's not about who's writing who. Laura left the X-Men for specific reasons, she needed a change of environment and there was a change of dispositions. Her time was up. She needed to develop outside of their ranks and fully realize who she was, inside and out, without Hellion stalking her and Logan breathing down her back with binge-breath, and as it were, she liked it.
I've seen Bendis write a plethora of other females who should be strong and independent of the usual tropes. X-23 kissing some guy with her leg flicked in the air like that, written by Bendis, is more than an indication that she is going to regress. The story need not be shown. Bendis is typical.
I enjoy seeing Emma in a situation where she has none of the control that she had before. A situation Bendis has dumped her in. In fact since she has grown from her constant snide remarks I think she is far better off as a character. The scene where Emma is thought projecting and we can read her inner and outer turmoil in Uncanny X-men issue 2 was fascinating. In fact her whole conversation about her tenuous relationship with Scott was all highly interesting.
The same goes for the issue when she psychically converses with the Cuckoos. Here we see her vulnerable, yet at the same time showing the resilience of character we know from her. Again it is character development that many writers would never dare do.
And it's always about who is writing who. It is the writers who are the ones to place trust in, the writers who we want to both match and defy our expectations. And Bendis writes a fantastic, very unconventional Jessica Jones in Alias, which is a fantastic book that everyone should read.
I see. Thanks for your informative input.
But towards Laura, when said writer's decided to take a character out of their personal development train to showcase them in something seemingly less imaginative and on a different route, and when said writer has a reputation of drastically taking characters under his wing for "development" only to be found wanting a few issues later, disdain when it happens again is only warranted. Bendis has time and again hyped fans for years in dragging characters from the pit only to do the worst or do nothing at all (see Dazzler where she's since been used as a convenient foil for Mystique's mastermind of a plan.
X-23, honestly, does not need to be back with them again.
Tbh, without the snide remarks, you have a lifeless doll of what used to be--it's a definitive trait--her own definitive and distinct trait. That's who she is, snarks and snide and that's why her fans love her for it. Indeed he has left Emma in a different place from whence she used to be, the mighty have fallen, but he hasn't done anything of substance with it. She's still Scott's latex handbag and she's still lost in life since the first issue of UXM, which has, for the majority of the time, been another rendition on the life and times of Scott Summers. Emma's basically just standing around doing nothing or having convos with the Cuckoos. Heck, they've received more development than she has.
You can place characters in different contexts and change the dispositions, but when nothing's done with it, what's the point ? What's her motivation for actually being with Scott Summers and being a part of his revolution ? Your guy certainly hasn't delved into that.
She literally doesn't even sound like herself anymore. More like a Portland druggie. Jessica Jones on the other hand, is a Bendis creation--not a valid enough point of reference for how Bendis writes strong female characters (which he can't), in comparison to all else. go figure (but Alias wasgood).
I could go on, but i for one, see a very bleak, regressive and unimaginative future for X-23 now that she's no longer in Arena.
Well I have to disagree on this point, Bendis took Norman Osborn and made him a more interesting character than he ever was in the pages of Spider man. He took Jessica Drew and made Spider-woman a top tier character. He made forefront Avengers of those who would never have been on a roster before. In fact he made Luke Cage and Iron Fist two of the most prominent New Avengers for quite some time and wrote them in a way that they were able to relate to modern audiences. He made mocking bird a decent character, and his moonstone is a tremendous villain in Dark Avengers!
Emma has retained her snide, but her vulnerability as a person is coming through it as well. I also think that her reasons for acting as she is has been given better than it has been in a while. No longer is she doing something purely because she is Scott's blind follower, she believes in the mutant revolution. Her conversation about Xavier not being as much of a saint as Cyclops remembers hims seems to be some of the only dissenting words about Xavier since his death.
She is a brilliant teacher and she believes in the cause, she is one of the figureheads in fact. Yeah Scott is the lead, but this is similar to Captain America in the Avengers, or what wolverine used to be in the X-men where stories have one main figure head. And seeing her in Iron Man's face about the phoenix force was brilliant.
Osborn only seemed liked the most ingenious megalomaniac villain (i.e interesting) of his era because Bendis wrote the American public--maybe the whole world--as to having the mental capacities of newborn babies, in fact, lower than that. They were moronic idiots and time and time again, fell for all of his obvious tricks and lies. There wasn't much realism behind the development, even it is comics. It detracts from the quality.
Spiderwoman wasn't Spiderwoman while he handled her for the most part, that was Queen Veranke of the Skrulls. She was more 'developed' under Bendis' pen than the actual character, lol. And where, oh where, is she now? Furthermore, up until Secret Avengers, Mocking Bird's character began to revolve more around the "mock", having being killed in Bendis' new vol. of NA and having had any possible relationship with Clint pummeled because Bendis preferred JessicaxClint instead, and it hasn't done Jessica much good either.
She's vulnerable, but she was also formerly independent. Now she's just a tool. The woman has given absolutely everything to Summers and he's done nothing but throw it back in her face, with interest. She has no reason to be a part of a Mutant Revolution that hasn't even started ffs, like, she's Emma-bloody-Frost. I wouldn't mind it if, at least, there was this sub-plot within the series where Emma went off on her own for some soul-searching, cause, you know, that used to happen in the actual UXM, but there's not even that.
Nooo, she's just standing around not doing much. Her fans will tell you otherwise to what you think.
Osborn was written wonderfully under the eye of Bendis. It is easy to say that the public was stupid but they had just come through super heroes beating each other up and an invasion from aliens, where the public face of some of them was these same heroes. They don't know the ins and outs of Osborn's past and Osborn himself even faces these accusations and places them in the same context as they do Hawkeye, who used to be a villain, and Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, etc. To say now that the public is idiotic for following a former super villain when they have done said same thing for years before hand anyway is not consistent with their former actions in the marvel universe. Remember what it must be like to live in the marvel universe where the only constant is change.
Yeah it was Veranke but he did write her in spider woman agent of sword (which took place after secret invasion as far as I know?) and essentially Veranke had her character, as they can be said to act in mostly the same way as she was effectively almost her. And where she is now is under Hickman. Bendis had her continue to be her usual unusual self in rest of the Avengers issues that he wrote.
Emma's reason to part of the mutant revolution is that she does believe in the cause. She believes in mutant kind! Her soul searching has happened, just in a very small way I guess, she no longer really has a place anywhere. She has alienated everyone after being phoenixed up, including Scott, who she genuinely feels bad about betraying with Namor despite his constant loyalty. Her home was with the X-men,. she made it there after the hellfire club and even this she has ruined. So where does she go? Back to prison? She is Emma Frost and she has now been given a new lease of life, she has the cuckoos back under her tutelage who she knows she can improve and who she knows she needs to keep together. You say he has done nothing but throw it back at her with interest? The same Scott Summers who entered her mind, risking his mind being lobotomized, to fight off a sliver of the Void, one of the most powerful forces in the universe, to save the woman he loved?
@poisonfleur: I don't think that's been an issue in a couple of years. The colorist have since fixed it amidst outcry from her fans and/or the brilliance of X-Factor cover artist David Yardin who's a Monet superfan and never really miscolored her skin.
Really now? How come the last 5 times I have seen her, someone always asks 'Why is she white?' Isn't she supposibly a light brown color? Not at brown as Storm and obviously not White or Asian colored? I have seen her every color: brown, dark brown, orange, yellow, peach, to paper white. It's ehhh.. Just keep her in the middle. And then on the cover of XX-men they made her Asain/White. It just made me sigh a little.
@gonnarain: I dont know what happened after torn, but I have the feeling that is not going to be related to Armor or Emma. And I agree, at least Emma should be there.
IIRC, during New X-Men, when Annie (the nurse) leaves with her son, the was a pair of eyes with him, that might be Cassandra.
@poisonfleur: I don't think that's been an issue in a couple of years. The colorist have since fixed it amidst outcry from her fans and/or the brilliance of X-Factor cover artist David Yardin who's a Monet superfan and never really miscolored her skin.
Really now? How come the last 5 times I have seen her, someone always asks 'Why is she white?' Isn't she supposibly a light brown color? Not at brown as Storm and obviously not White or Asian colored? I have seen her every color: brown, dark brown, orange, yellow, peach, to paper white. It's ehhh.. Just keep her in the middle. And then on the cover of XX-men they made her Asain/White. It just made me sigh a little.
I don't know why people still say that, she'd been far more consistently colored in recent X-Factor issues. But then again, I also don't see how she was colored Asian/White (which are two totally different, vague, and generalized skin tones) on the Dodson cover.
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in a overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in an overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
The plot's stated in the solicit, would you like a bold copy-and-pasted version ?
She was perfect in Arena, coming back to the X-Men is character regression, even more so when you're doing nothing but snogging ambiguous bad boys while at it, as if she wasn't doing that prior to her opportune departure. Lol "She is now being written by Bendis", that is not a good thing--see Emma Frost.
I quite like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. That is my opinion, just as it is your opinion that you do not like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. And you can't say that because a character was written well by a writer in one series that it is regression for them to be done by another writer..... when he has not even written the character yet!?
Osborn was written wonderfully under the eye of Bendis. It is easy to say that the public was stupid but they had just come through super heroes beating each other up and an invasion from aliens, where the public face of some of them was these same heroes. They don't know the ins and outs of Osborn's past and Osborn himself even faces these accusations and places them in the same context as they do Hawkeye, who used to be a villain, and Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, etc. To say now that the public is idiotic for following a former super villain when they have done said same thing for years before hand anyway is not consistent with their former actions in the marvel universe. Remember what it must be like to live in the marvel universe where the only constant is change.
Yeah it was Veranke but he did write her in spider woman agent of sword (which took place after secret invasion as far as I know?) and essentially Veranke had her character, as they can be said to act in mostly the same way as she was effectively almost her. And where she is now is under Hickman. Bendis had her continue to be her usual unusual self in rest of the Avengers issues that he wrote.
Emma's reason to part of the mutant revolution is that she does believe in the cause. She believes in mutant kind! Her soul searching has happened, just in a very small way I guess, she no longer really has a place anywhere. She has alienated everyone after being phoenixed up, including Scott, who she genuinely feels bad about betraying with Namor despite his constant loyalty. Her home was with the X-men,. she made it there after the hellfire club and even this she has ruined. So where does she go? Back to prison? She is Emma Frost and she has now been given a new lease of life, she has the cuckoos back under her tutelage who she knows she can improve and who she knows she needs to keep together. You say he has done nothing but throw it back at her with interest? The same Scott Summers who entered her mind, risking his mind being lobotomized, to fight off a sliver of the Void, one of the most powerful forces in the universe, to save the woman he loved?
Your definition of "wonderfully". Generally speaking, the non-superpowered population of the MU are quite dunce, but Osborn's level of scheming and manipulation wasn't that much better than a pre-schooler's, for what it's worth. Anyone could have seen through them and it played out like a Punk'd joke or something. This was nothing compared to what the humans would have come into contact with prior--they turned on and villainized Earth's Mightiest Heroes at the blink of an eye with no ifs buts or maybes, that's dumb and unrealistic. All to make Osborn's overall reign seem bigger than it really was, evidently, it worked. *shrugs*
Veranke and Spider woman are two different characters. And Spider woman was pretty much bg after Agent of Sword, which was pretty good, but she there was nothing to look out for--even if she is a favorite of Bendis'. But yeah, under Hickman doing lols, so much for a "top-tier"character.
It's not about having a place anywhere. This isn't high-school where you're obliged to fit in a clique no matter what the odds. Her life is a joke right now, she's Emma Frost--by definition, her own best friend--she needs to find herself and reevaluate everything, first and foremost thenworry about Scott's fake Revolution (if need be) and the Cuckoos, who came after she had inadvertently joined this gig. Where's this soul searching taken place, exactly ? Where's this "interesting direction" that Bendis is actually taking the time to mold for her, exactly ? She's a self-made woman, she had things before she fell head over heels in love with the man who's underhandedly ruined her life. And i'm not sure what a Fraction-penned story has to do with this. You do realize Scott's only with Emma, because the true love of his life pushed him that extra mile ?
@ageofhurricane: I agree with you about Emma. I'm liking All New X-Men and Uncanny X-Men but I hate current Emma. She just isn't Emma Frost. She doesn't even talk like Emma Frost.
Where's the sarcasm? Where's the cold-heart White Queen? Even if she's got a black outfit that doesn't mean that she is a different person. The real Emma would have never followed Scott, she would have cared about her own business, she may have even created her own team. Now she just looks like a rancorous ex-girlfriend.
My only hope for her development would be seeing her becoming Jean's teacher, that would be a good twist.
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in a overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in an overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
The plot's stated in the solicit, would you like a bold copy-and-pasted version ?
She was perfect in Arena, coming back to the X-Men is character regression, even more so when you're doing nothing but snogging ambiguous bad boys while at it, as if she wasn't doing that prior to her opportune departure. Lol "She is now being written by Bendis", that is not a good thing--see Emma Frost.
I quite like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. That is my opinion, just as it is your opinion that you do not like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. And you can't say that because a character was written well by a writer in one series that it is regression for them to be done by another writer..... when he has not even written the character yet!?
Osborn was written wonderfully under the eye of Bendis. It is easy to say that the public was stupid but they had just come through super heroes beating each other up and an invasion from aliens, where the public face of some of them was these same heroes. They don't know the ins and outs of Osborn's past and Osborn himself even faces these accusations and places them in the same context as they do Hawkeye, who used to be a villain, and Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, etc. To say now that the public is idiotic for following a former super villain when they have done said same thing for years before hand anyway is not consistent with their former actions in the marvel universe. Remember what it must be like to live in the marvel universe where the only constant is change.
Yeah it was Veranke but he did write her in spider woman agent of sword (which took place after secret invasion as far as I know?) and essentially Veranke had her character, as they can be said to act in mostly the same way as she was effectively almost her. And where she is now is under Hickman. Bendis had her continue to be her usual unusual self in rest of the Avengers issues that he wrote.
Emma's reason to part of the mutant revolution is that she does believe in the cause. She believes in mutant kind! Her soul searching has happened, just in a very small way I guess, she no longer really has a place anywhere. She has alienated everyone after being phoenixed up, including Scott, who she genuinely feels bad about betraying with Namor despite his constant loyalty. Her home was with the X-men,. she made it there after the hellfire club and even this she has ruined. So where does she go? Back to prison? She is Emma Frost and she has now been given a new lease of life, she has the cuckoos back under her tutelage who she knows she can improve and who she knows she needs to keep together. You say he has done nothing but throw it back at her with interest? The same Scott Summers who entered her mind, risking his mind being lobotomized, to fight off a sliver of the Void, one of the most powerful forces in the universe, to save the woman he loved?
Your definition of "wonderfully". Generally speaking, the non-superpowered population of the MU are quite dunce, but Osborn's level of scheming and manipulation wasn't that much better than a pre-schooler's, for what it's worth. Anyone could have seen through them and it played out like a Punk'd joke or something. This was nothing compared to what the humans would have come into contact with prior--they turned on and villainized Earth's Mightiest Heroes at the blink of an eye with no ifs buts or maybes, that's dumb and unrealistic. All to make Osborn's overall reign seem bigger than it really was, evidently, it worked. *shrugs*
Veranke and Spider woman are two different characters. And Spider woman was pretty much bg after Agent of Sword, which was pretty good, but she there was nothing to look out for--even if she is a favorite of Bendis'. But yeah, under Hickman doing lols, so much for a "top-tier"character.
It's not about having a place anywhere. This isn't high-school where you're obliged to fit in a clique no matter what the odds. Her life is a joke right now, she's Emma Frost--by definition, her own best friend--she needs to find herself and reevaluate everything, first and foremost thenworry about Scott's fake Revolution (if need be) and the Cuckoos, who came after she had inadvertently joined this gig. Where's this soul searching taken place, exactly ? Where's this "interesting direction" that Bendis is actually taking the time to mold for her, exactly ? She's a self-made woman, she had things before she fell head over heels in love with the man who's underhandedly ruined her life. And i'm not sure what a Fraction-penned story has to do with this. You do realize Scott's only with Emma, because the true love of his life pushed him that extra mile ?
Yes my definition of wonderfully, and my opinion is equally as valid as yours is.
See that's the thing, the people had had enough of the way things were, they maybe presumed for a while that anything would be better than what it was. Look at the trouble the initiative had due to it being a super hero school. The momentum had been building for quite some time for mistrust of heroes to be around, including their view point of a villain. And Osborn had backing from shield agents and so forth because they believed that he wanted to and had the power to change things for the better.
The fact that she is doing nothing under Hickman's run speaks to Hickman, not Bendis.
Fraction's story is an important point because it shows how much Scott was willing to do for her. And that is the whole point of this, people are saying that Emma needs no one, and why would she join or follow Scott and she had things before him, and this is true. But the thing is for the first time she had someone like Scott, as good a man as Scott who loved her and gave her a place. So now she is stuck between returning to the routes of a renegade, or trying to atone for what she sees as a failing on her part. She can't leave and re-evaluate herself because she is literally projecting her thoughts onto others, she is missing her shell, she is missing the ability to read peoples minds which is unfathomable to anyone. She is literally missing one of the senses she has had up to this point in life and that leaves her backed against a wall, even Emma Frost.
If she is projecting so much it is obvious that she would remain in her diamond form permanently - no projecting, no feeling vulnerable for absence of her telepathy (which was her whole world) and not acting like a school-girl like she does now. Bendis is missing something important in her character, and it is being in control.
I don't see her accepting the fact of projecting herself. Remember, she was the one with the mental power to make anybody make what she wants. Now, not only she hasn't, she is also making others hear her own thoughts, BUT she has a power to escape this fate, wouldn't she use it permanently (because IT WILL protect her and completely hide her weakness) if she could, tell me please?
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in a overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in an overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
The plot's stated in the solicit, would you like a bold copy-and-pasted version ?
She was perfect in Arena, coming back to the X-Men is character regression, even more so when you're doing nothing but snogging ambiguous bad boys while at it, as if she wasn't doing that prior to her opportune departure. Lol "She is now being written by Bendis", that is not a good thing--see Emma Frost.
I quite like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. That is my opinion, just as it is your opinion that you do not like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. And you can't say that because a character was written well by a writer in one series that it is regression for them to be done by another writer..... when he has not even written the character yet!?
Osborn was written wonderfully under the eye of Bendis. It is easy to say that the public was stupid but they had just come through super heroes beating each other up and an invasion from aliens, where the public face of some of them was these same heroes. They don't know the ins and outs of Osborn's past and Osborn himself even faces these accusations and places them in the same context as they do Hawkeye, who used to be a villain, and Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, etc. To say now that the public is idiotic for following a former super villain when they have done said same thing for years before hand anyway is not consistent with their former actions in the marvel universe. Remember what it must be like to live in the marvel universe where the only constant is change.
Yeah it was Veranke but he did write her in spider woman agent of sword (which took place after secret invasion as far as I know?) and essentially Veranke had her character, as they can be said to act in mostly the same way as she was effectively almost her. And where she is now is under Hickman. Bendis had her continue to be her usual unusual self in rest of the Avengers issues that he wrote.
Emma's reason to part of the mutant revolution is that she does believe in the cause. She believes in mutant kind! Her soul searching has happened, just in a very small way I guess, she no longer really has a place anywhere. She has alienated everyone after being phoenixed up, including Scott, who she genuinely feels bad about betraying with Namor despite his constant loyalty. Her home was with the X-men,. she made it there after the hellfire club and even this she has ruined. So where does she go? Back to prison? She is Emma Frost and she has now been given a new lease of life, she has the cuckoos back under her tutelage who she knows she can improve and who she knows she needs to keep together. You say he has done nothing but throw it back at her with interest? The same Scott Summers who entered her mind, risking his mind being lobotomized, to fight off a sliver of the Void, one of the most powerful forces in the universe, to save the woman he loved?
Your definition of "wonderfully". Generally speaking, the non-superpowered population of the MU are quite dunce, but Osborn's level of scheming and manipulation wasn't that much better than a pre-schooler's, for what it's worth. Anyone could have seen through them and it played out like a Punk'd joke or something. This was nothing compared to what the humans would have come into contact with prior--they turned on and villainized Earth's Mightiest Heroes at the blink of an eye with no ifs buts or maybes, that's dumb and unrealistic. All to make Osborn's overall reign seem bigger than it really was, evidently, it worked. *shrugs*
Veranke and Spider woman are two different characters. And Spider woman was pretty much bg after Agent of Sword, which was pretty good, but she there was nothing to look out for--even if she is a favorite of Bendis'. But yeah, under Hickman doing lols, so much for a "top-tier"character.
It's not about having a place anywhere. This isn't high-school where you're obliged to fit in a clique no matter what the odds. Her life is a joke right now, she's Emma Frost--by definition, her own best friend--she needs to find herself and reevaluate everything, first and foremost thenworry about Scott's fake Revolution (if need be) and the Cuckoos, who came after she had inadvertently joined this gig. Where's this soul searching taken place, exactly ? Where's this "interesting direction" that Bendis is actually taking the time to mold for her, exactly ? She's a self-made woman, she had things before she fell head over heels in love with the man who's underhandedly ruined her life. And i'm not sure what a Fraction-penned story has to do with this. You do realize Scott's only with Emma, because the true love of his life pushed him that extra mile ?
Yes my definition of wonderfully, and my opinion is equally as valid as yours is.
See that's the thing, the people had had enough of the way things were, they maybe presumed for a while that anything would be better than what it was. Look at the trouble the initiative had due to it being a super hero school. The momentum had been building for quite some time for mistrust of heroes to be around, including their view point of a villain. And Osborn had backing from shield agents and so forth because they believed that he wanted to and had the power to change things for the better.
The fact that she is doing nothing under Hickman's run speaks to Hickman, not Bendis.
Fraction's story is an important point because it shows how much Scott was willing to do for her. And that is the whole point of this, people are saying that Emma needs no one, and why would she join or follow Scott and she had things before him, and this is true. But the thing is for the first time she had someone like Scott, as good a man as Scott who loved her and gave her a place. So now she is stuck between returning to the routes of a renegade, or trying to atone for what she sees as a failing on her part. She can't leave and re-evaluate herself because she is literally projecting her thoughts onto others, she is missing her shell, she is missing the ability to read peoples minds which is unfathomable to anyone. She is literally missing one of the senses she has had up to this point in life and that leaves her backed against a wall, even Emma Frost.
That's true and all, but in retrospect, the whole thing was silly and is devoid of seriousness and practicality. People don't just fall for things like that, like, we have brains. Obvs, a lot of people have fallen for Bendis' schitck, majority of the American populace themselves, so perhaps he was right in portraying them like that.
Top-tier characters don't just fall into obscurity, no matter who the writer is, it speaks to Bendis' apparent job-well-done of not doing anything of import with her.
Jean's the one that pushed Scott to Emma.
And I don't get it...she can't leave and reevaluate herself because she's projecting her thoughts onto others...but it'd be better to stay with a pack of clueless "criminals", coming into contact with Heaven knows what and being faced with situations that'll further deteriorate the situation and increase vulnerability ? That's supposed to help her ?
Indeed she is, and she's currently not doing anything to remove the predicament. Still a hand-bag, still a man's accessory. Bendis has of yet to show any evidence of actually delving into what's going on within her head and personal introspection, all "attempts" have been found wanting as she doesn't even sound like herself. She isn't Emma Frost, as a fan of hers roughly stated above. Literally just a lifeless sell in Uncanny. It's arguable that she kind of deserved this after being over-exposed post-2008, but this is worse than i would have liked.
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in a overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in an overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
The plot's stated in the solicit, would you like a bold copy-and-pasted version ?
She was perfect in Arena, coming back to the X-Men is character regression, even more so when you're doing nothing but snogging ambiguous bad boys while at it, as if she wasn't doing that prior to her opportune departure. Lol "She is now being written by Bendis", that is not a good thing--see Emma Frost.
I quite like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. That is my opinion, just as it is your opinion that you do not like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. And you can't say that because a character was written well by a writer in one series that it is regression for them to be done by another writer..... when he has not even written the character yet!?
Osborn was written wonderfully under the eye of Bendis. It is easy to say that the public was stupid but they had just come through super heroes beating each other up and an invasion from aliens, where the public face of some of them was these same heroes. They don't know the ins and outs of Osborn's past and Osborn himself even faces these accusations and places them in the same context as they do Hawkeye, who used to be a villain, and Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, etc. To say now that the public is idiotic for following a former super villain when they have done said same thing for years before hand anyway is not consistent with their former actions in the marvel universe. Remember what it must be like to live in the marvel universe where the only constant is change.
Yeah it was Veranke but he did write her in spider woman agent of sword (which took place after secret invasion as far as I know?) and essentially Veranke had her character, as they can be said to act in mostly the same way as she was effectively almost her. And where she is now is under Hickman. Bendis had her continue to be her usual unusual self in rest of the Avengers issues that he wrote.
Emma's reason to part of the mutant revolution is that she does believe in the cause. She believes in mutant kind! Her soul searching has happened, just in a very small way I guess, she no longer really has a place anywhere. She has alienated everyone after being phoenixed up, including Scott, who she genuinely feels bad about betraying with Namor despite his constant loyalty. Her home was with the X-men,. she made it there after the hellfire club and even this she has ruined. So where does she go? Back to prison? She is Emma Frost and she has now been given a new lease of life, she has the cuckoos back under her tutelage who she knows she can improve and who she knows she needs to keep together. You say he has done nothing but throw it back at her with interest? The same Scott Summers who entered her mind, risking his mind being lobotomized, to fight off a sliver of the Void, one of the most powerful forces in the universe, to save the woman he loved?
Your definition of "wonderfully". Generally speaking, the non-superpowered population of the MU are quite dunce, but Osborn's level of scheming and manipulation wasn't that much better than a pre-schooler's, for what it's worth. Anyone could have seen through them and it played out like a Punk'd joke or something. This was nothing compared to what the humans would have come into contact with prior--they turned on and villainized Earth's Mightiest Heroes at the blink of an eye with no ifs buts or maybes, that's dumb and unrealistic. All to make Osborn's overall reign seem bigger than it really was, evidently, it worked. *shrugs*
Veranke and Spider woman are two different characters. And Spider woman was pretty much bg after Agent of Sword, which was pretty good, but she there was nothing to look out for--even if she is a favorite of Bendis'. But yeah, under Hickman doing lols, so much for a "top-tier"character.
It's not about having a place anywhere. This isn't high-school where you're obliged to fit in a clique no matter what the odds. Her life is a joke right now, she's Emma Frost--by definition, her own best friend--she needs to find herself and reevaluate everything, first and foremost thenworry about Scott's fake Revolution (if need be) and the Cuckoos, who came after she had inadvertently joined this gig. Where's this soul searching taken place, exactly ? Where's this "interesting direction" that Bendis is actually taking the time to mold for her, exactly ? She's a self-made woman, she had things before she fell head over heels in love with the man who's underhandedly ruined her life. And i'm not sure what a Fraction-penned story has to do with this. You do realize Scott's only with Emma, because the true love of his life pushed him that extra mile ?
Yes my definition of wonderfully, and my opinion is equally as valid as yours is.
See that's the thing, the people had had enough of the way things were, they maybe presumed for a while that anything would be better than what it was. Look at the trouble the initiative had due to it being a super hero school. The momentum had been building for quite some time for mistrust of heroes to be around, including their view point of a villain. And Osborn had backing from shield agents and so forth because they believed that he wanted to and had the power to change things for the better.
The fact that she is doing nothing under Hickman's run speaks to Hickman, not Bendis.
Fraction's story is an important point because it shows how much Scott was willing to do for her. And that is the whole point of this, people are saying that Emma needs no one, and why would she join or follow Scott and she had things before him, and this is true. But the thing is for the first time she had someone like Scott, as good a man as Scott who loved her and gave her a place. So now she is stuck between returning to the routes of a renegade, or trying to atone for what she sees as a failing on her part. She can't leave and re-evaluate herself because she is literally projecting her thoughts onto others, she is missing her shell, she is missing the ability to read peoples minds which is unfathomable to anyone. She is literally missing one of the senses she has had up to this point in life and that leaves her backed against a wall, even Emma Frost.
That's true and all, but in retrospect, the whole thing was silly and is devoid of seriousness and practicality. People don't just fall for things like that, like, we have brains. Obvs, a lot of people have fallen for Bendis' schitck, majority of the American populace themselves, so perhaps he was right in portraying them like that.
Top-tier characters don't just fall into obscurity, no matter who the writer is, it speaks to Bendis' apparent job-well-done of not doing anything of import with her.
Jean's the one that pushed Scott to Emma.
And I don't get it...she can't leave and reevaluate herself because she's projecting her thoughts onto others...but it'd be better to stay with a pack of clueless "criminals", coming into contact with Heaven knows what and being faced with situations that'll further deteriorate the situation and increase vulnerability ? That's supposed to help her ?
Indeed she is, and she's currently not doing anything to remove the predicament. Still a hand-bag, still a man's accessory. Bendis has of yet to show any evidence of actually delving into what's going on within her head and personal introspection, all "attempts" have been found wanting as she doesn't even sound like herself. She isn't Emma Frost, as a fan of hers roughly stated above. Literally just a lifeless sell in Uncanny. It's arguable that she kind of deserved this after being over-exposed post-2008, but this is worse than i would have liked.
And we don't live in the marvel universe where everyday our sanity and tenuous grip on the world is threatened!
See Luke Cage has been a top tier character and he, too, has fallen into obscurity. Different writers different tastes. Cable was once a semi top tier character for a long time, as was Gambit and they have both been on and off the mappers.
I would never call Magik, Cyclops and Magneto clueless being honest, and for her personally she is less vulnerable when around these people. She has spent the better part of the last three years with them and this is the place where she has allies in the world and maybe most comfortable in spite of it all. She no longer loves Cyclops but she still believes in who he is.
If anything I believe it is Scott who is the one being seen as an accessory. He basically got down on his knees and begged her to come with them when they released her from prison. It seems that a major part of the reason that many stick with scott, despite a belief in the need for harsh mutant rights, is almost out of a sense of duty/pity due to all that Scott has given for the cause.
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