#1 Posted by knighthood (1693 posts) - - Show Bio

So who had the best X-book run? Claremont is the king of course, but who else?

Peter David should get some props for his X-Factor work.

#2 Posted by Xwraith (18609 posts) - - Show Bio

I read both, and much, MUCH preferred Remender's.

#3 Posted by CheeseSticks (2493 posts) - - Show Bio

For the title: Remender

Best X-Books run:

-Chris Claremont

-Joss Whedon

-Fabian Nicieza

-Kieron Gillen

#4 Posted by knighthood (1693 posts) - - Show Bio

For the title: Remender

Best X-Books run:

-Chris Claremont

-Joss Whedon

-Fabian Nicieza

-Kieron Gillen

I don't understand why people keep mentioning Gillen. Has he done anything else than Uncanny vol 2? I dropped it during AvX, but wasn't impressed overall. Did it get that much better?

#5 Posted by CheeseSticks (2493 posts) - - Show Bio

@knighthood: Well he's the best thing that happened is the recent X-Men books

#6 Posted by QueenCorp15 (1034 posts) - - Show Bio

Morrison ftw

#7 Posted by knighthood (1693 posts) - - Show Bio

@knighthood: Well he's the best thing that happened is the recent X-Men books

I thought would be Brian Wood.

#8 Posted by Selina_Sublime (160 posts) - - Show Bio

Morrison.

Remender's runs are overrated. The Apocalypse Solution was a great opening arc, but he's been disappointing ever since. A lot of his character arcs have been retreads of very recent stories or were just plain uninteresting. Dark Angel Saga had powerful moments anchor an otherwise padded arc. He has strengths as a writer for sure and a bunch of grand ideas, but I don't feel satisfied with his execution.

Plus, he's responsible for Uncanny Assimilation, which has been a wordy and cheesy mess with some themes that I feel are very anti-X-Men/mutant.

Morrison was an innovator with sharp dialogue and a strong sense of characterization. He really recreated the entire way mutants were seen. The only things I didn't like were the excess of silly background mutants I like the extraordinary, not girls with extra mouths.

#9 Posted by Night Thrasher (3696 posts) - - Show Bio

Remender easily IMO

#10 Posted by Ultra_beleco (184 posts) - - Show Bio

Morrison.

Remender's runs are overrated. The Apocalypse Solution was a great opening arc, but he's been disappointing ever since. A lot of his character arcs have been retreads of very recent stories or were just plain uninteresting. Dark Angel Saga had powerful moments anchor an otherwise padded arc. He has strengths as a writer for sure and a bunch of grand ideas, but I don't feel satisfied with his execution.

Plus, he's responsible for Uncanny Assimilation, which has been a wordy and cheesy mess with some themes that I feel are very anti-X-Men/mutant.

Morrison was an innovator with sharp dialogue and a strong sense of characterization. He really recreated the entire way mutants were seen. The only things I didn't like were the excess of silly background mutants I like the extraordinary, not girls with extra mouths.

This. Thank your for saying for me! :D

#11 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4616 posts) - - Show Bio
#12 Posted by Xwraith (18609 posts) - - Show Bio

@cheesesticks said:

@knighthood: Well he's the best thing that happened is the recent X-Men books

I thought would be Brian Wood.

I liked his first two issues, but he's dropped the ball two issues in a row.

#13 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4616 posts) - - Show Bio

@xwraith said:

@knighthood said:

@cheesesticks said:

@knighthood: Well he's the best thing that happened is the recent X-Men books

I thought would be Brian Wood.

I liked his first two issues, but he's dropped the ball two issues in a row.

I haven't read X-Men #4 yet, but besides that series (which I'm loving so far), I also have to give him props for his run on the last volume of X-men from last year, his run on Ultimate Comics X-Men, and his Wolverine and the X-Men: Alpha & Omega mini series.

For me, Wood's been nailing it across the board.

#14 Posted by Xwraith (18609 posts) - - Show Bio

@oldnightcrawler: I've seen a bunch of people raving about Wood's run on volume 3. To me, it was just OK.

#15 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

bahahahahahahhahha

seriously?

bahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha

Morrison. Obviously.

#16 Posted by eldestrisk (637 posts) - - Show Bio

No love for Jason Aaron?

#17 Posted by guttridgeb (4832 posts) - - Show Bio

I tend to dislike Morrison's work or find it average at best so Remender is clearly superior IMO.

I would say the best X-Men writer overall is Peter David, though I am somewhat of a fanboy of his. :P

#18 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

@eldestrisk said:

No love for Jason Aaron?

No.

No love for him.

Ever.

#19 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4616 posts) - - Show Bio

@xwraith said:

@oldnightcrawler: I've seen a bunch of people raving about Wood's run on volume 3. To me, it was just OK.

yeah, I clump his run on volume 3 with his new one on X-Men vol.4, which I'm really enjoying. Neither of them are groundbreaking or anything, they just have really solid characterization and lots of fun action, even without a lot of actual fights. I'm just saying I dig it.

#20 Posted by Veitha (3341 posts) - - Show Bio

Morrison of course, he made me love the X-Men

#21 Edited by PhoenixoftheTides (3582 posts) - - Show Bio

Morrison

Morrison was an innovator with sharp dialogue and a strong sense of characterization. He really recreated the entire way mutants were seen. The only things I didn't like were the excess of silly background mutants I like the extraordinary, not girls with extra mouths.

Yeah, I think there should be a rule that the mutations have to be at least entertaining to read about. I wouldn't even mind a pseudo scientific reason behind that. Leave the girls with extra mouths with the Inhumans. I'd prefer homo superior to have advantage-giving powers like a Superman, not random powers like Arm Fall Off Boy.

#22 Posted by papad1992 (6831 posts) - - Show Bio

Morrison.

Remender's runs are overrated. The Apocalypse Solution was a great opening arc, but he's been disappointing ever since. A lot of his character arcs have been retreads of very recent stories or were just plain uninteresting. Dark Angel Saga had powerful moments anchor an otherwise padded arc. He has strengths as a writer for sure and a bunch of grand ideas, but I don't feel satisfied with his execution.

Plus, he's responsible for Uncanny Assimilation, which has been a wordy and cheesy mess with some themes that I feel are very anti-X-Men/mutant.

Morrison was an innovator with sharp dialogue and a strong sense of characterization. He really recreated the entire way mutants were seen. The only things I didn't like were the excess of silly background mutants I like the extraordinary, not girls with extra mouths.

I agree with you about Morrison and how he redefined the term mutant and X-Men... but you kind of contradict yourself when you say you did not like the excess background characters. That was Morrison's way of showing to us (the readers) on paper what he was trying to reinvent, mutants born with "mutations" that would not help them become superheroes, but just mutated humans who don't have a direction anymore.

What I disagree with you is your take on Uncanny X-Force... It was a brilliant title that set the standard of "black-ops teams" in the superhero universe. The art, the stories, the characters... it was an amazing series, with little flaws here and there (like the Otherworld arc... that was a waste).

I'm split between the two... while I loved Morrison's run, Remender has a place higher on my shelf.

#23 Posted by knighthood (1693 posts) - - Show Bio

@xwraith said:

I read both, and much, MUCH preferred Remender's.

I prefer Remender's as well.

bahahahahahahhahha

seriously?

bahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha

Morrison. Obviously.

Maybe I'm just jealous because I haven't received my secondary mutation yet. Come on papa needs a third earlobe!!! :)

#24 Posted by God_Spawn (37949 posts) - - Show Bio

Morrison.

Remender's runs are overrated. The Apocalypse Solution was a great opening arc, but he's been disappointing ever since. A lot of his character arcs have been retreads of very recent stories or were just plain uninteresting. Dark Angel Saga had powerful moments anchor an otherwise padded arc. He has strengths as a writer for sure and a bunch of grand ideas, but I don't feel satisfied with his execution.

Plus, he's responsible for Uncanny Assimilation, which has been a wordy and cheesy mess with some themes that I feel are very anti-X-Men/mutant.

Morrison was an innovator with sharp dialogue and a strong sense of characterization. He really recreated the entire way mutants were seen. The only things I didn't like were the excess of silly background mutants I like the extraordinary, not girls with extra mouths.

Let's not forget the forced, misrepresentation of some character's powers due to most likely a lack of research, and definitely some forced personalities and dialogue to try and make his story progress. He doesn't always do this, but when he does, it's bad.

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#25 Posted by God_Spawn (37949 posts) - - Show Bio

bahahahahahahhahha

seriously?

bahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha

Morrison. Obviously.

While I liked his Uncanny X-Force quite a bit and found it to be a very good book, I agree with you for the first time in awhile. I don't think you can compare these two.

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#26 Edited by PeppeyHare (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

Remender

#27 Edited by LimboBot (118 posts) - - Show Bio

@guttridgeb said:

I tend to dislike Morrison's work or find it average at best so Remender is clearly superior IMO.

I would say the best X-Men writer overall is Peter David, though I am somewhat of a fanboy of his. :P

while i agree on David ( because he's F*cking awesome), remender Doesn't come Close to Morrisons Level man, I can see why someone would dislike his style( as i don't like it myself), but the things Grant does is rarely matched by anyone.

#28 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

Grant Morrison. This isn't even a Contest.

Grant, even When Someone dislikes his work, is still superb. He understands the characters he writes and knows how to add many thing to the characters mythos. His Batman for example. Bruce Wayne and BATMAN himself became a symbol that was spread throughout world.
Grant Morrison thinks outside the Box most of the time and while you might feel skeptical at first the ending will no doubt leave you with a smile.

Remender on the Other hand, is a Hit and miss most of the time, I'm a Huge fan his Venom but his other titles are rarely any good. Captain America for one thing has been disappointing.

However, Peter David is still the Master of Disaster. he's the best.

#29 Posted by flazam (2496 posts) - - Show Bio

Morrison

#30 Posted by ragdollpurps (15572 posts) - - Show Bio

Uhm, Morrison. Because Morrison created Fantomex and Remender's UXF run wouldn't have been nearly half as good without him.

And this coming from someone who probably loves UXF more than anyone.

#31 Posted by guttridgeb (4832 posts) - - Show Bio

@guttridgeb said:

I tend to dislike Morrison's work or find it average at best so Remender is clearly superior IMO.

I would say the best X-Men writer overall is Peter David, though I am somewhat of a fanboy of his. :P

while i agree on David ( because he's F*cking awesome), remender Doesn't come Close to Morrisons Level man, I can see why someone would dislike his style( as i don't like it myself), but the things Grant does is rarely matched by anyone.

I can respect Morrison and how popular he is but because I don't like his writing style, Remender had a better run IMO. Overall I would guess that most people would prefer Morrison.

#32 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@guttridgeb: i only like his Venom though, Remender really disappointed me with his Captain america >_>

#33 Edited by Lvenger (20220 posts) - - Show Bio

@fadetoblackbolt said:

@eldestrisk said:

No love for Jason Aaron?

No.

No love for him.

Ever.

In Aaron's defense, his latest Thor run is really good. He's finally found something he's good at writing. But aside from Thor, his work is like an orchard of rotten apples with one good one growing in the midst of it. I don't know whether you're a Thor fan though so it's probably not up your alley anyway :P

#34 Edited by X35 (5981 posts) - - Show Bio

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

#35 Edited by guttridgeb (4832 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: Personally, I think JRJR's art let Captain America down more that Remender's writing. Have you read his Secret Avengers stuff? I really enjoyed that as well.

#36 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: Personally, I think JRJR's art let Captain America down more that Remender's writing. Have you read his Secret Avengers stuff? I really enjoyed that as well.

i haven't read that, but I heard that remender ruined Pym somewhat :/

#37 Posted by Backflip (2266 posts) - - Show Bio

@guttridgeb said:

@theacidskull: Personally, I think JRJR's art let Captain America down more that Remender's writing. Have you read his Secret Avengers stuff? I really enjoyed that as well.

i haven't read that, but I heard that remender ruined Pym somewhat :/

No where near the massacre he did to Captain Britain in his SA run.

#38 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@backflip said:

@theacidskull said:

@guttridgeb said:

@theacidskull: Personally, I think JRJR's art let Captain America down more that Remender's writing. Have you read his Secret Avengers stuff? I really enjoyed that as well.

i haven't read that, but I heard that remender ruined Pym somewhat :/

No where near the massacre he did to Captain Britain in his SA run.

lol what'd he do?

#39 Posted by guttridgeb (4832 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: Yeah, I wasn't a fan of the way he wrote some of the characters but it was well written as a story.

#40 Posted by X35 (5981 posts) - - Show Bio

Pym becomes an evil Deathlok robot but it's okay because Beast is there and Beast is better at science than Hank and the minute Beast discovered he was on a team with Hank he instantly developed superior science to eventually beat Hank Pym because he knew Hank Pym would screw up somehow one day. Hank is miraculously normal again outside of that book with no reference or even allusion to the fact Remender had him killed and converted to a Deathlok.

#41 Edited by TDK_1997 (14899 posts) - - Show Bio

Morrison's run of course.But both writers for me have had maybe the best X-runs ever but no contest here.

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#42 Edited by adamTRMM (1856 posts) - - Show Bio

Why do people adore Morrison so much? He tried to turn Homo Superiors into Homo Wierdos. Look at the WATXM, Jason Aaron is continuing his legacy with introducing more freakish mutants..

#43 Edited by knighthood (1693 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm said:

Why do people adore Morrison so much? He tried to turn Homo Superiors into Homo Wierdos. Look at the WATXM, JA is continuing his legacy with introducing more freakish mutants..

I don't understand. He did introduce some interesting characters, and reworked some relationships, but that was about it.

#44 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7297 posts) - - Show Bio

Remender fell flat on his face straight after the DAS. Otherworld and onwards were major let-downs and thenceforth, the series began to tumble down in quality. But then forget that, his current Uncanny Avengers is awful. Plain awful.

Morrison actually set the standard and bar for modern-mutant life and put all of his characters, all of them, in controversial and for the majority of the time, beneficial, perspectives. He changed the scope of sociopolitical matters on the metaphor and went out there, storylines, interpersonal character moments and the lot. His run was definitive and like Claremont's, writers of today are still pulling themes and concepts from it.

He also wrote one of the best iterations of Jean Grey Summers (and Emma Frost). While going out with a bang.

Remender failed on all accounts, and still is.

#45 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7297 posts) - - Show Bio

From what i've seen, people only liked Remenders run cause of the putrefying and overly incessant killing/action scenes, there were some gorgeous bits here and there and some real thought-provoking scenes, but nothing to constantly write home about.

And has been stated, this is not even a contest.