#1 Posted by Strider92 (16432 posts) - - Show Bio

Not being an X-man followed i'm not particularly well versed in their power-levels. Is there anything more powerful than Omega level?

The only reason I ask is that in Scarlet Spider 17. Kaine and Aracely attacked The Jean Grey School and Aracely had Rachel Grey, Jean Grey and Quentin Quire rolling around in mental pain. I'm just trying to gauge on the kind telepathic ability it would require to accomplish this:

#2 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (3549 posts) - - Show Bio

It depends on their specific skill levels, but most Omega level telepaths are capable of listening to thoughts on a massive, global scale with the right equipment and can manipulate consciousness itself. Omega level telepaths with lower levels of skill or experience can't control their powers, as well, so can be overcome by a less "powerful", more experienced telepath who is more knowledgeable about influencing thoughts and psychic energy.

That being said, telepaths can be compromised by certain techniques such as amplifying the ambient level of psychic energy in an area, using psionic dampening fields or sonic frequencies that disrupt thought patterns. There have been instances where a high level psychic or telepath has been overcome by alien thought patterns that damage their mental state - it usually results in them lying on the ground holding their heads.

#3 Edited by Saren (25666 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly seems like jobbing from Rachel and Quire ---- perhaps not so much from Jean considering the teenage version is a pretty middling telepath, as evidenced by how casually the Cuckoos went to town on her.

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#4 Posted by TDK_1997 (14889 posts) - - Show Bio

Well most Omega level telepaths can hear thoughts on a global scale but that depends on the level of the telepath.If he isn't really into his powers and he is new with them he can be put down by a weaker telepath.We saw in the last issue of All-New X-Men how teenage Jean Grey was screwed over by the Stepford Cuckoos.

#5 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7297 posts) - - Show Bio

^Exactly why the term "Omega Level Telepath" means absolutely nothing.

#6 Posted by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

I wish they would drop the whole Omega idea altogether. It's annoying -- from mutants being "identified" as Omega to those who are Omega only in terms of their telepathy but not telekinesis and so on. Out of them all, Quentin should not have been affected (let alone Rachel) and as for Jean and the recent slap down she got from the three remaining Cuckoos, people are being jobbed left, right and centre in that school.

It's probably easier to identify who ISN'T Omega when it comes to telepathy. (<-----yes, that was sarcasm)

#7 Edited by laflux (15868 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis: @strider92:

When I looked at the title, I was instantly going to write- "not strong enough to get owned by Aracely- and linking a limp bizkit keep trolling parody ". But since that was referenced in the OP, I was left with nothing in terms of wit to bring into this thread :(

#GUTTED

#8 Posted by laflux (15868 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis said:

I wish they would drop the whole Omega idea altogether. It's annoying -- from mutants being "identified" as Omega to those who are Omega only in terms of their telepathy but not telekinesis and so on. Out of them all, Quentin should not have been affected (let alone Rachel) and as for Jean and the recent slap down she got from the three remaining Cuckoos, people are being jobbed left, right and centre in that school.

It's probably easier to identify who ISN'T Omega when it comes to telepathy. (<-----yes, that was sarcasm)

In all seriousness, I think Omega refers more in terms of Power potential rather than actual power being displayed at the present time. Its how I use it to get past Iceman doing absolutely nothing worthwhile in every comic I've read with him in it >.<

#9 Edited by PhoenixoftheTides (3549 posts) - - Show Bio

BTW Not really sure if "strong" applies to a power like telepathy since it's an energy type. Technically, we are discussing the weaknesses or limitations of the most well-known telepaths versus really discussing any inherent weakness or flaw in their receptive ability to harness psionic energy. Even the Phoenix entity had her thoughts scrambled by the Hellfire's club scrambling device and she was higher than Omega level at that point.

Kind of like asking "how strong is electricity?" - depends on what you are trying to do, what it is interacting with, situational modifiers, etc.

#10 Posted by darthphoenix (756 posts) - - Show Bio

was Aracely even attacking? she said sorry. i dont think rachel was even trying to fight her

#11 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (3549 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthphoenix: I think it looked more like a psionic feedback loop or resistance versus Aracely trying to attack.

#12 Posted by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92:

What is this even from!? What issue?

#13 Posted by God_Spawn (37871 posts) - - Show Bio
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#14 Posted by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio
#15 Posted by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

@lykopis: @strider92:

When I looked at the title, I was instantly going to write- "not strong enough to get owned by Aracely- and linking a limp bizkit keep trolling parody ". But since that was referenced in the OP, I was left with nothing in terms of wit to bring into this thread :(

#GUTTED

HA! It must have sent you into a mental wobble, poor thing. ;p

@laflux said:

@lykopis said:

I wish they would drop the whole Omega idea altogether. It's annoying -- from mutants being "identified" as Omega to those who are Omega only in terms of their telepathy but not telekinesis and so on. Out of them all, Quentin should not have been affected (let alone Rachel) and as for Jean and the recent slap down she got from the three remaining Cuckoos, people are being jobbed left, right and centre in that school.

It's probably easier to identify who ISN'T Omega when it comes to telepathy. (<-----yes, that was sarcasm)

In all seriousness, I think Omega refers more in terms of Power potential rather than actual power being displayed at the present time. Its how I use it to get past Iceman doing absolutely nothing worthwhile in every comic I've read with him in it >.<

Yeah -- which ANNOYS. It's the same as mutants discovering a second mutation, just another "tool" writers use when attempting to ramp things up with a character. I appreciate the mentioning of Omega when you've got forces as powerful as the Phoenix running around, and some mutations as clearly more useful than others but when you begin to classify some as different from the others using terms like "Omega" and others, then there is a sense of leveling taking place -- like a class of mutants above all the others and it leaves me unsettled.

#16 Edited by Strider92 (16432 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92:

What is this even from!? What issue?

Scarlet Spider 17. The assassins guild calls in a favor from everyones favorite Spider-clone!

#17 Posted by God_Spawn (37871 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: Beat you to it. I guess you can say I was....Superior in this endeavor.

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#18 Posted by Strider92 (16432 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: Dan you to helll!!!! Dan Slott you to hell!!

#19 Posted by Alak (926 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:



In all seriousness, I think Omega refers more in terms of Power potential rather than actual power being displayed at the present time. Its how I use it to get past Iceman doing absolutely nothing worthwhile in every comic I've read with him in it >.<

This is also sort of how I think of the "Omega" label. It just means that a mutant has the potential to reach a power level that has very few limits (or none at all). Someone who isn't "Omega" has very obvious limitations with their abilities (i.e.- teleportation). An omega level telepath could possibly reach into the minds of everyone on the planet, or even extend his/her reach beyond throughout the galaxies. Of course, potential does not equate to current ability or else Jean would have no trouble tracking down every single villain without cerebro. It just means that you're currently at a much lower level of power display than you should be. It takes practice, hard work, maturity, experience, and willingness to push your abilities as far as they can go. With Iceman, I see it as CIS that prevents him from turning into a thermokinetic god. Magneto, on the other hand, has much better showings despite lacking the "Omega" label since he's spent his whole life honing his powers.

#20 Posted by danhimself (22534 posts) - - Show Bio

the Omega classification is a joke and it never should have been invented...you can't put things in order that are completely different

#21 Edited by Veitha (3279 posts) - - Show Bio

That scene looks like PIS... What are Aracely powers? Because Rachel, Blindfolf and Quentin together plus young Jean should be able to fight against pretty much any telepath alone

#22 Edited by PhoenixoftheTides (3549 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

the Omega classification is a joke and it never should have been invented...you can't put things in order that are completely different

Exactly. The most you can do is rank similar powers in comparison to each other since there are gradations of magnitude or effect, or rank them according to overall utility (i.e. an Omega Level mutant who can generate unlimited amounts of static cling would rank lower than a mutant with a less "powerful" but more useful ability like enhanced durability).

#23 Posted by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

@papad1992 said:

@strider92:

What is this even from!? What issue?

Scarlet Spider 17. The assassins guild calls in a favor from everyones favorite Spider-clone!

Already got the issue... not bad. I'm interested in Kaine now!

#24 Posted by Strider92 (16432 posts) - - Show Bio

@veitha said:

That scene looks like PIS... What are Aracely powers? Because Rachel, Blindfolf and Quentin together plus young Jean should be able to fight against pretty much any telepath alone

We don't actually know. She is supposedly telepathic and can manipulate peoples emotions.......however she is supposed to be the reincarnation of an Aztec God so her upper limits haven't really been tested yet.

Already got the issue... not bad. I'm interested in Kaine now!

Cool. Its a really good ongoing :)

#25 Posted by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

@papad1992 said:

Already got the issue... not bad. I'm interested in Kaine now!

Cool. Its a really good ongoing :)

I'll check out some earlier issues...