Every important X-women was sent away to focus on Emma.

@lordofallhumans stated in one of there previous posts that 'Every important X-women was sent away to focus on Emma'

I will have to agree with them. If we look at the other X-Ladies. This is what happen to them in comics.

The real Jean Grey has been gone for 12 years. Now we have a teen version of her in comics.

Then there is Psylocke, she was killed off in 2001, then she briefly return in 2006 and bonded with Rachel, then she ended up in that title ‘ New Exiles’, a rubbish series by the way.

So she didn't become major player in the X-Men world until 2009. So Psylocke has been poorly treated by marvel for 7 years, which is really shocking, considering how popular she was back in the day.

Then there is Storm, who marry Black Panther, then became a background character for about fours years in half. Having less voice or no voice in the decision making in X-Men teams.

Then there is Polaris and Rachel who ending up in space for about three years and a half.

Then there Jubilee, can’t really say much about Jubilee, only that she been relevant since 2013.

So the only competition that Emma has face is from a bunch of new students, who not that experience, not very popular, not that powerful, not that important and not that interesting. Then there is Kitty and Rogue and both of these characters have been poorly treated by the writers.

Rogue had her own series, which was great and everything. X-Men legacy was a good series. However, she not as powerful as she used to be, she lost Ms Marvel powers, so she not as strong, as she once was. She not as fun as she used to be, her personality has change a quite abit. She had been demoted by Cyclops. She went from being a leader, to a mentor, to being a teacher. She dated Magneto and instead of Gambit. Like I said before, poorly treated by Marvel and now she with The Avengers, could it get any worse for her.

Then there is Kitty, her rivalry with Emma Frost was really interesting in Joss Whedon run. I also think her reunion with Colossus was really interesting . Then she ended up in that magic bullet and she was gone for about a year. Then she return and couldn't touch anyone, then her and Colossus broke up. Bendis hasn’t done much with her character this year.

So guys what do you think. Do you agree that every important X-women was sent away to focus on Emma. What are your thoughts on this issue.

Some times I wonder if people read X-Men at all before making these threads.

I think you should take your own advice mate. Most of these X-ladies have ending up in comic limbo, has Emma.

@time: Being dead =/= limbo

The only one who fell off the radar was Jubilee who is now back.

Psylocke, Rogue, Kitty, Storm, and Rachel have all had consistent places in x-men for the past decade.

If any x-woman was pulling focus from the others it was Hope Summers.

Jean not dead, she in the White room and she been gone for 10 years.

Psylocke was only really relevant since 2009.

Kitty was in the magic bullet for one year.

Rachel and Polaris in space for 3 years.

Rogue and Storm were not written at the best. How long did it take Storm to become headmistress of the X-Men. How many years.

Jubilee only relevant now.

Hope was taking the spotlight from the other young mutants, not the popular x-ladies.

@time:

Jean being in the White Hot Room is as good as dead until they want to resurrect her.

Psylocke was always there on a team she just didn't start to be the stark of a book until 2009 which she has continued to do since Uncanny X-Force vol 1.

Kitty's times on the bullet was only like 8 months that's hardly limbo.

Kitty did a really good job at being headmistress and Storm wasn't a part of the school until after AvX because of the Schism.

You comment about Rachel and Polaris made me smile. You are away they had a book about them out in space where they had a big role in the Cosmic Marvel event War of Kings right?

Ok so your wrong, and here is how.

Rogue- spent the entire time Emma was around as a main character in the X-Men title, she even got a solo, and then led the team before dominating the book during X-Men Legacy. And she is alot stronger then she was during her Ms. Marvel days because she gains powers by being near people and can control her powers so she doesn't have to touch. She's actually one of the X-Men's team leaders now.

Rachel and Polaris- Had an entire character arc while they were in space. Rachel gained the Phoenix again and Polaris had Vulcan afraid of her. And in the big Marvel event that those adventures led to the ONLY representatives of the X-Men were the team that Rachel and Polaris were apart of. And then Polaris came back and took over X-Factor.

Psylocke is one of the most heavily featured characters in X-Men. And when Emma joined the team she was ressurected. Then she was deamed important enough to boost the sales of some Exiles book.

Jean Grey is more important to the narrative now then she was when she was alive. Part of that is because of Emma constantly bringing her up.

Kitty was basically the main character of Astonishing, then she went in the bullet. Came out and her first major story was alongside Emma.

Then there's Storm- Who had gained attention outside of comics with her marriage, had a mini series, and then returned to the X-Men as a dominant character during Wood's first X-Men run.

Jubilee was the only one who was out of the picture.

Now lets look at what Emma has done on her own in the same period. Warsong, Dark X-Men.....then what? Everything else another female X-Men was standing next to her for or got a big development from.

The only thing Emma did was be a main character in Uncanny X-Men. Otherwise all of the female X-Men have done more then well in their own seperate titles. And if you didn't like that Emma was in Uncanny, there were usually 3 other X-Men books where she wasn't featured.

And the fact that Rogue is undeniably the most successful female X-Men of the decade makes this entire conversation invalid.

I'm going to give you a perfect example of those X-ladies being treated badly.

Messiah Complex. Do you remember that story arc ? How many X- ladies were relevant in that story arc.

oh yeah 2, Emma Frost and Mystique. That is it.

Storm did 2 things in that story arc

Rogue was unconscious till the last chapter.

So where are the other X-ladies. Kitty magic bullet. Jubilee comic limbo, Jean in the white Room. Rachel and Polaris in space. Psylocke in comic limbo.

Sure, Layler Miller, X-23, Surge and Wolfsbane play a part in the story arc, but they are not the most popular X-Ladies

Psylocke was in the new Exiles series until 2009 and a terrible series that didn't matter.

Your right about Rachel and Polaris, they did have that story.

A story arc that didn't really matter to main X-Men comics.

Emma Frost has never been in comic limbo for the past 14 years. She been with the X-Men team for the past 14 years.

The real Jean is still in comic limbo

It's interesting you making those comments. What do you think of my post above with regards to Messiah Complex.

@time: It doesn't matter if Rachel and Polaris had anything to do with X-Men they were still relevant and part of a significant event.

Jean's status in the white hot room has been handled as and considered death so it's not really limbo. Limbo would be if she just left the X-Men and then just wasn't in anything at all right now like Moonstone but her being shattered into fragments in the white hot room rebuilding herself gives a real reason why she can't be in comics right now.

I think you just have unrealistic expectations for character focus in team book. There are a lot of x-men.

On Messiah Complex-

Rogue was in a coma, but the entire event spun out of the book she was leading. She was also the motivation for Mystique, the thing that made Gambit change sides and the first sign of how powerful Hope could be.

Kitty was also part of the catalyst for that event since she was the only one who knew where the destiny diaries were. In fact that's the only reason Emma was important to the story at all.

Most of those x-ladies were not in that story arc. Where were they ? Rogue only did something at end of the story arc ?

There are X-Men series that Emma Frost doesn't even have a presence in.

Your right, but it doesn't change the fact that Emma has been with the main X-teams for the past 14 years. She never been in comic limbo. Unlike the rest of the X-Ladies. Most of them have disappear at one point.

The book in which Rogue was the main character and leader is the book Messiah Complex originated from. I don't recall Emma doing much of anything during Messiah Complex that was important. Her and Storm probably got about the same amount of dialogue really.

Kitty had literally just been sent to space. And Rachel and Polaris were apart of a different storyline and Psylocke had been sent to a different X-book to enhance the sales. The only point you have on this is that Emma Frost was in the background of an important event.

@time said:

Depends on what book you are reading. Most X-Men characters have been consistently active for the past 14 years.

Exactly, Kitty in space, comic limbo

Rachel and Polaris in Space, comic limbo

Rogue was leader of her own book, but them became irrelevant untill the last chapter of a major story arc.

Psylocke in a series that didn't matter.

Emma has play apart in X-Men comics for past 14 years and she was the main lady in a major event.

No they haven't. Some have ended up in comic limbo.

This sums up why I can't agree with you.

Your saying that because Psylocke, Rachel and Polaris were deemed important enough to help sell comic books set in another place, that they are less relevant then Emma who did next to nothing in the entire crossover.

Rogue being in a coma was the motivation for two characters and led to a major reveal for the importance of Hope.

Emma has only been the main lady in one event and that was Dark Reign, which was focused on the Uncanny X-Men book of which she was a main character. If it was focused on X-Factor then Layla Miller would've been the focus.

I gotta agree with all of this.

Plus, even with all the books that come out, there's a lot of X-men; there's always going to be some that aren't regularly featured as main characters -it's been that way since the 70's. Yeah, that's so that other characters can be focused on, but it seems silly to single out Emma specifically.

From my perspective, Storm, Kitty, Rachel, and Nightcrawler all went from being main characters in the 80's to not being relevant at all in the 90's, so that the stories could focus more on Xavier, Cyclops, and Jean 2.0.

I mean, when I see someone say

"The real Jean Grey has been gone for 10 years. Now we have a teen version of her in comics."

I think, no, the real Jean Grey has been gone for at least 34 years.. and the original Jean Grey was a teenager.. so seeing the All-New' Jean as any more or less real from the X-Factor Jean just seems silly to me.

To me, Bendis writing Jean (or any of the "O5") as a teenager is the same as when he did Ultimate Spider-Man: he's just updating Stan Lee's original conception of the characters, but it's still the same character. It's at least as much the same character as Jean 2.0 was.

Considering that Stan Lee wrote teenage girls as though he'd never met one, and Bendis writes everyone as though they talk like one, it kind of works.

Well emma is pretty much in limbo now (even bendis said it)

-Kitty: Uncanny, ANXM, starlord, featured in death of wolverine and and to be in life after logan

-Storm: SOlo, AXM, adjectiveless, will feature in LaL

-Rachel: Adjectiveless, amazing, will die in UXM

-Jubiles: Had a few arcas dedicated to her in adjectiveless

-Psylocke: Two volumes of x force, adjectiveless I think I saw her in amazing too

-Jean: Back to being the main X lady through her younger counterpart. She is the real jean, deal with it and I wouldn't be surprised if al of the above are sent to limbo to focus on teen jean, she's a beast and will take her rightful place as the focus of the X women, the best part is she doesn't even knows it and there'll be a vocal minority saying "she ain't the real jean, she's bendis grey, death to bendis blah blah blah" while new fans will acknowledge her as the real deal and sales will reinsure that

@oldnightcrawler: Considering that Stan Lee wrote teenage girls as though he'd never met one, and Bendis writes everyone as though they talk like one, it kind of works.

LOL.

It seems that there is a some Emma Frost hate going on here. Being in the background of a major story doesn't equate to being unrivaled in focus. Thats like being on the bench on a championship team and claiming you're more important than someone who is carrying their own team.

I actually get people not being satisfied by teen jean. And I dont view it as silly. Personally I've seen more similarities in teen jean and Hope as opposed to any other incarnation of Jean Grey. I happen to be a fan of Jean and always felt it was disservice to retcon her most important act or that at least it could have been done better. I know I'll get angst for this but really I'm more of a fan of Hope than teenie, and I'm not happy with that walking plot device at all. I dont think not accepting teen jean as authentic makes anyone silly. I mean just because some people dont care for a badly written cheap imitation of what they feel is the real thing doesn't make them stupid or reduce the validity of their opinions.

We can all go to war over whether Teen Jean is a faithful rendition of the character and whether or not it's acceptable to have her around ....(personally i only dislike her power ups and enjoy the characterization). I think even the idea of Teen Jean being a "debate worthy topic" is a topic we can debate over.

But the problem here is that Emma Frost very presence in main titles is bothering some readers, and there's not much to debate on because there's no room to argue when someone just doesn't like a character. That's like me saying "Beast is hogging the spotlight by appearing in every single X-Book"....you can't argue because what bothers me isn't the role he plays but the fact that he is being shown at all.

I just don't get the need to hate on a character as a whole just for existing.

sorry i didnt see this....

RACHEL IS NOT GOING TO DIE!!!

You guys are wrong wrong WRONG. Emma is in Limbo? Really? After 14 years running with the x men I guess. Those X-Ladies never appears while Emma is in it (mostly). Don't get me wrong cause I like Emma. But I have to disagree with several you people cause those X-Ladies have been gone for quite sometimes. Jean (real Jean) shouldn't be in that f^^ing white room for that period long time. How would you guys feel Emma being in it for that period long time? No happy right?

Rogue since she lost her power people seems to careless about her and moving her to the UA was the biggest mistake they could have ever done to her (same with the rest).

Jubilee after turinig into a vampire was push to aside for quite sometimes.And became useless.

Storm doesn't seem interesting as she was before. It looks like they only add her characterization only when there is a war or something.

Psylocke was a very popular character back in those days compering now.

Kitty was getting into limbo and is the reason why they sent her to that alien magic bullet for quite sometime until they decide what to do with her. Just like they did with Jean. Is like they say "Oh let have Jean in a white room while we can decide what to do with her, Let have kitty in that bullet as well and let keep Emma FROST going" since she was going limbo as well and decided to do something with her.

I don't see any of those ladies like before. Dazzler was also gone for quite sometime. All I see is those writers using the same X-Ladies over and over and over again out of so many many X-Ladies out there. You can only assume thy're all dead.

@shebba: Then by your statement I would say the argument becomes how the x-women have been treated as a whole as opposed to getting rid of some to "focus" on Emma. There is really no definitive arc that focuses on Emma. She's largely been around for snark and eye candy at the side of Scott. Just being in a story doesnt make you the focus, thats like saying that the boss' wife who's in all the company Christmas party pictures every year is really relevant to the day to day running of the company. Now if the argument is how the x-women have been treated and some of the poor storyline's and developments, then I can certainly agree with that. But I don't think the "focus" has truly been on any female character in Xmen. And really in the forums a dead or white hot room recuperating Jean Grey gets as much focus as any current x-women

FACT

On the other hand:

Jean Grey- Phoenix Endsong
Rachel Grey- End of Greys
Polaris- 3 X-Factor issues focusing on her memory of her parents death
Psylocke- 2 series of Uncanny X-Force
Jubilee- 2nd arc of Wood's X-men vol 3 and 1st arc of Wood's X-Men vol 4
Rouge- Solo, X-Men Legacy, and Carey's entire run almost

Really? I don't see what the focusing there when she's only in a hot white room all alone. Not doing anything or being part of anything. Beside Emma Frost have become part of everything.

Yes, I see. those are story arcs that happened a few years ago. Then after that, they went ghost while Emma was still being Cyclops sugaa daddy. All I'm saying I miss the old days and I would like to see those X-Ladies involves more often. Just like with Emma. The hell with that, I want to see the real Jean playing and have the teen in a white room.

Depends on what your perception of "limbo" is. Just because the character wasn't in the main book doesn't mean that they weren't relevant. If you read Peter Davids X-Factor there was stories that featured Layla Miller, Banshee, M and so on.

they put the other x-ladies down to make emma look good. Also everyone at comic con likes the emma frost:s co-plays, lol.

this thread is a suicide. all x-ladies' fans vs an emma fan. SUICIDE!

LOL

You know what....i give up.

Emma is evil, she stole the shine from the X-Ladies, Killed Jean, and made Jubilee a vampire. Then she kicked Beast out of the X-Men for getting fur all over the carpet and made Psylocke lead X-Force because she didn't want another Psychic with a british accent at the base all the time. She turned Colossus into the Juggernaut for kicks and giggles and sent a telepathic message to the Purifiers to help kill Nightcrawler. She then proceeded to block Rachel Grey's message from space until Legion(who she made crazy) altered reality, then when Rachel, Polaris and Havok came back she started the Schism so that she would be the closest person to Magneto and Cyclops around with no blood relations to get in the way. She then warned the Avengers about the Phoenix, because Hope found out it was actually Emma who made Bishop go crazy. And Cyclops strangled her in AvX because he found out she was responsible for the plane crash that killed his parents. Unfortunately before she lost her powers she brainwashed him into killing Xavier.

She also shot JFK, gave Mother Teresa a heart attack and invented Hitler.

It's all so clear now, why didn't i see it before -_-

@shebba: What I meant is that if you go to pretty much any forum you will find a subject about Jean Grey or someone bringing her up, more so than Emma Frost.

I agree about teen jean going to the white hot room and the real stupid planetary stroke victim Jean back

Makes Sense except for the JFK, MT and Hitler part

@koays: All i know is marvel is pushing emma to much to be the new X leading lady and its not fair. Also im sick of emma fans saying she is more realistic then jean. No one is more self-sacrificing then jean is. Emma will always be shady.

You obviously forgot that she's responsible for M day. Also invited the skrulls to invade earth. She is in fact behind the red onslaught and forced rogue to enter in the unity squad. The worst part is that she brought the O5 to the present, killed the watcher and will be the cause of the 2015 reboot

On top of it she brought the ebola virus to america and invented disco music #DeathtoEmmaFrost

That's why I don't like EMMA.

lol

She is also responsable for chemtrails!

This thread is a joke.

I dislike the comparison completely. I don't think Marvel is pushing her to be anything, and if they were it's not for Jean's role.

Jean was the heart of the team, not the leading lady or the queen of the X-Men. She was the one who cradled the kids, supported the group continually and listened to the complaints of the members. She was a champion for Xavier's teachings and never doubted the ideals. She wasn't anything like Emma Frost.

Emma Frost is a queen bee, with a domineering personality. She throws off the opinions of others and doesn't hesistate to make her ideals known. She doesn't need to make friends but doesn't want her allies to be enemies. And while she fights for a better tomorrow for mutants, she doesn't hide her doubts that Xavier's dream will ever be achieved.

Emma has doubts where Jean is sure of herself and Emma is direct where Jean is passive. But Jean fans feeling threatened by Emma is annoying because Emma Frost isn't a threat to the character of Jean Grey.

Emma is just a less sure of herself character with clear emotional weaknesses she's hiding, while Jean's development has suffered from most of her being overshadowed by the Phoenix and Godlevel powers that people can't relate to. Emma has better characterization because she's written as a person, while Jean's human moments are often overlooked.

I like both. I like Jean a lot more. If people want to complain about Jean's treatment i'm on board, but comparing her to Emma because they both have the same boyfriend isn't fair to either character. Especially when anything Emma has over her, a dozen other characters have as well after a decade.

Well said @time should read this :)

ROFL this again. Yeah we get it, you hate Emma Frost, time.

But you're wrong about this anyways.

It's sarcasm, y'know...

LOL XD

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