Avengers ripping off the X-men

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#1 Posted by BrokenSpear (189 posts) - - Show Bio

Just found this http://www.hitfix.com/news/avengers-...q7rv23Kqtl1.99 and i was like...wow...really?

The solicits suggest that one of the things we'll see is a team comparable to the "All-New X-Men." Can you talk about the emergence of these characters and what sort of effect this team -- which appears to be made up of the original Avengers -- will have on the book?

Brevoort: We're very tired after "Infinity," so rather than coming up with any new ideas of our own, we thought we'd just steal from what Brian [Bendis] was using because it was lot easier and it seems to be working for him. So what the hell? Let's just do that.

Hickman: Yeah, we asked for permission and Bendis was graceful enough to let us ride on his massive coattails.

Brevoort: [Laughs]

Hickman: As we are prone do from time to time.

Brevoort: It's true [Laughs]

Hickman: There's a royalty structure in place, and we owe him money, as usual. But it will all work out.
#2 Posted by JonSmith (3996 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh, hell. A time displaced version of the original Avengers? TWO Hulks/Bruce Banners? TWO Hank Pym's?

Oh, god... Worst of all...

TWO Tony Starks?!

#3 Posted by Squares (5634 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it was a joke.

#4 Posted by Xwraith (17424 posts) - - Show Bio

How can Marvel rip off itself?

#5 Posted by HumanRocket (7823 posts) - - Show Bio

I read the solicits for this issue and I was like okay lol. I thought it was a joke in part by Marvel but I guess it's true. Ill pick up the first issue. I would really want to see the interactions between younger Tony and older Tony.

#6 Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose (6257 posts) - - Show Bio

Eurgh. That interview makes it sound like it's all going to be space stuff for ages. :/

#8 Edited by Rabbitearsblog (5835 posts) - - Show Bio

@squares said:

I think it was a joke.

That's what I think also.

#9 Edited by Emequious_Swerve (1268 posts) - - Show Bio

The Avengers have always ripped off the X-Men.

But, yeah, whatever. The guy was pretty clearly joking.

#10 Edited by V_Scarlotte_Rose (6257 posts) - - Show Bio

@squares said:

I think it was a joke.

That's what I think also.

Do you mean the concept, or the way they're talking about it? It seems it is happening:

#11 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (2872 posts) - - Show Bio

I read the solicits for this issue and I was like okay lol. I thought it was a joke in part by Marvel but I guess it's true. Ill pick up the first issue. I would really want to see the interactions between younger Tony and older Tony.

It will be as annoying as beast and young beast...lol

two hulks??? Leave hulk alone, he has enough problems

#12 Posted by HumanRocket (7823 posts) - - Show Bio

@hopesummersforthefuture: hulk would have a new BFF though lol. It would just be interesting to see how young Stark would react to hearing the news about the civil war about Cap's death. Speaking about Cap if the past Avengers come to the future would that mean that Cap wouldn't be around? The Avengers found Cap frozen when Hulk when he left the group so if that doesn't take place them Cap isn't found and stays in his ice cube.

#13 Edited by muhabba (299 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm calling it, Present-Tony and Past-Tony are gonna hook-up.

#14 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (2872 posts) - - Show Bio

@hopesummersforthefuture: hulk would have a new BFF though lol. It would just be interesting to see how young Stark would react to hearing the news about the civil war about Cap's death. Speaking about Cap if the past Avengers come to the future would that mean that Cap wouldn't be around? The Avengers found Cap frozen when Hulk when he left the group so if that doesn't take place them Cap isn't found and stays in his ice cube.

thats ok they will find him alter...lol

@muhabba said: I'm calling it, Present-Tony and Past-Tony are gonna hook-up.

lol did they say the same about iceman doing that?????

#15 Posted by HumanRocket (7823 posts) - - Show Bio
#16 Posted by Squares (5634 posts) - - Show Bio

@rabbitearsblog said:

@squares said:

I think it was a joke.

That's what I think also.

Do you mean the concept, or the way they're talking about it? It seems it is happening:

Welll.....damn.

I have no words.

#17 Posted by JonSmith (3996 posts) - - Show Bio

On a more serious note, I like this idea. Most of the X-Men who came back got most of their development in the last couple of years: Cyclops has only fairly recently become something OTHER than the idealist leader he started out as, Iceman's only fairly recently started becoming insanely powerful, Angel's only recently become... whatever he's become. As for Jean and Beast... Well Jean pretty much just fluctuates between dead and goddess, while Beast just becomes more blue without much development in his personality.

Now these Avengers?

THEY'VE had development: Iron Man became a politician, betrayed everyone he knew, just found out he has a BROTHER, and then there was the whole Extremis thing. Hank and Wasp have had some serious ups and downs, and for a couple like them, seeing their future might not be such a good thing. Especially with present Hank only just now accepting that he's bipolar and trying to deal with it by having a team of robotic Avengers. And Hulk? Oh, MAN. The crap that's happened to Hulk and Banner... Planet Hulk, World War Hulk, Red She-Hulk, and now he's working with SHIELD?! Holy crap, this might be really cool.

Oh, right. Thor's a member of these Avengers too... Can't wait til he meets present day Loki.

#18 Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose (6257 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith: I agree, it could be interesting to see some of the reactions. I'm hoping this means that present day Hank and Janet are going to be guest starring, otherwise it's kind of a wasted opportunity.

@squares:I find it a little odd that their poses suggest an homage to Avengers #1, but Ant-Man doesn't have his helmet, and Iron Man is wearing his suit from #3. I wonder if it'll be clarified in some way.

#19 Posted by tigerkaya (1262 posts) - - Show Bio

Great, first the rip off of the bomber jacket era X-men and now this. Where's Immortus to imprison Beast and Wolverine for this crap of Time travel overabundance.

#20 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4461 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe it's because the first Avengers series I read was Avengers Forever (which had team members from many different time periods), or maybe just because Kang has always been one of my favorite Avengers villains, but the time travel thing somehow seems less weird to me for the Avengers than for the X-men.

#21 Posted by GrenadeFlow (1426 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it has something to do with the Incursions

AVENGERS (2012) #26

Published: February 05, 2014

Rating: Rated T

Writer:

Jonathan Hickman

AVENGERS #26 JONATHAN HICKMAN (W) Cover by MIKE DEODATO VARIANT COVER BY DUSTIN WEAVER "ADAPT OR DIE" 32 PGS./Rated T …$3.99 SALVADOR LARROCA (A)The science war overtakes the world(s).The All-New Avengers Strike Back!All the answers to the questions you wished remained hidden.The collision of Avengers and New Avengers is imminent.

#22 Posted by danhimself (22493 posts) - - Show Bio

@hopesummersforthefuture: hulk would have a new BFF though lol. It would just be interesting to see how young Stark would react to hearing the news about the civil war about Cap's death. Speaking about Cap if the past Avengers come to the future would that mean that Cap wouldn't be around? The Avengers found Cap frozen when Hulk when he left the group so if that doesn't take place them Cap isn't found and stays in his ice cube.

I like this idea but it would have made more sense right after Civil War and while Cap was still "dead"....as of now it seems like everyone has forgot about the Civil War and the sides they chose

#23 Posted by Farkam (4884 posts) - - Show Bio

So is Ant-Man going to slap his wife around then?

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#24 Edited by Extremis (3344 posts) - - Show Bio
#25 Edited by poisonfleur (3029 posts) - - Show Bio

@squares said:

@v_scarlotte_rose said:

@rabbitearsblog said:

@squares said:

I think it was a joke.

That's what I think also.

Do you mean the concept, or the way they're talking about it? It seems it is happening:

Welll.....damn.

I have no words.

I quit..This has officially gone too far and too stupid..

#26 Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose (6257 posts) - - Show Bio

@farkam said:

So is Ant-Man going to slap his wife around then?

Why would he? He was Yellowjacket that one time that happened.

#27 Posted by Rubear (453 posts) - - Show Bio

He could only whisper... Why?

#28 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5835 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know about this. I mean, aren't things complicated enough in the Marvel Universe with all this time-traveling going on? And why do I have a bad feeling that this might be Marvel's subtle way to reboot the universe?

#29 Edited by JetiiMitra (8528 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor rockin that tiger print. Bringing sexy back.

Oh, and this idea sounds dumb. I could be sold on it, but for now... no.

Although if this becomes a thing, who says Spider-man is off-limits? This could be how they bring Peter back and make him as relatable as they want. 15, no marriage, money/school problems again, new to super-heroics, a fresh start. Yeah, this could work.

#30 Posted by Squares (5634 posts) - - Show Bio

I quit..This has officially gone too far and too stupid..

Agreed.

#31 Edited by Farkam (4884 posts) - - Show Bio

@farkam said:

So is Ant-Man going to slap his wife around then?

Why would he? He was Yellowjacket that one time that happened.

Actually wasn't thinking about that one time thing at all. Got this and Ultimate Marvel mixed up in my head. Bite me.

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#32 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11376 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know about this. I mean, aren't things complicated enough in the Marvel Universe with all this time-traveling going on? And why do I have a bad feeling that this might be Marvel's subtle way to reboot the universe?

Exactly what I'm thinking. I just don't know how they're going to do it. Either fold all of time together because AOU broke it or they're just going to kill of all the present day characters and replace them with the past characters.

#33 Edited by GonnaRain (752 posts) - - Show Bio

Well... shit.

The idea behind All New X-Men wasn't really that interesting to begin with, and the time stream was said, many times to be broken as hell, so, which genius will be responsible of messing, yet again, with it?

#34 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5835 posts) - - Show Bio

@rabbitearsblog said:

I don't know about this. I mean, aren't things complicated enough in the Marvel Universe with all this time-traveling going on? And why do I have a bad feeling that this might be Marvel's subtle way to reboot the universe?

Exactly what I'm thinking. I just don't know how they're going to do it. Either fold all of time together because AOU broke it or they're just going to kill of all the present day characters and replace them with the past characters.

Oh no...if this happens, then all the character development that the characters went through the past few years will be thrown out the window!

Well... shit.

The idea behind All New X-Men wasn't really that interesting to begin with, and the time stream was said, many times to be broken as hell, so, which genius will be responsible of messing, yet again, with it?

Yeah, I keep hearing the statement that "messing with the time stream is going to mess up the universe" and yet, here they are, doing it again and again.

#35 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11376 posts) - - Show Bio

@arturocalakayvee said:

@rabbitearsblog said:

I don't know about this. I mean, aren't things complicated enough in the Marvel Universe with all this time-traveling going on? And why do I have a bad feeling that this might be Marvel's subtle way to reboot the universe?

Exactly what I'm thinking. I just don't know how they're going to do it. Either fold all of time together because AOU broke it or they're just going to kill of all the present day characters and replace them with the past characters.

Oh no...if this happens, then all the character development that the characters went through the past few years will be thrown out the window!

Past few years? More like all character development from the mid60s onward would be completely erased! It would be like a whole new universe except it would retain all of the history.....for some reason I could see Marvel doing this.

#36 Posted by God_Spawn (37723 posts) - - Show Bio

Hope it is not permanent.

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#37 Posted by Wolverine08 (41183 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

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#38 Edited by dbatdog (539 posts) - - Show Bio

if this is real, i'm glad i stop buying marvel comics.

#39 Posted by MN_Logan (235 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh cool... more time travel.

#40 Posted by Tohoma (1410 posts) - - Show Bio

I wonder if there gonna have an event called "Battle of the Vengers"

#41 Posted by PeppeyHare (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait this isn't a joke? LOL

#42 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (2872 posts) - - Show Bio

@peppeyhare:

@tohoma said:

I wonder if there gonna have an event called "Battle of the Vengers"

young teen x-men vs Young teen Avengers= Double Win XP

#43 Posted by XsPectre28 (719 posts) - - Show Bio

nooooo, just use the young avengers

#44 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5835 posts) - - Show Bio

nooooo, just use the young avengers

Exactly! The same thing they should have done with the X-Men!

#45 Edited by GrenadeFlow (1426 posts) - - Show Bio

X-Men are also ripping of the avengers

X-MEN #10.NOW & 11

BRIAN WOOD (W) • KRIS ANKA (A)

CoverS by TERRY DODSON

Issue #10.NOW - VARIANT COVER BY JOHN CASSADAY

Issue #10.NOW - Sketch Variant by John Cassady

Issue #10.NOW - Animal Variant by DAVID LOPEZ

Issue #11 - Variant cover by TBA

AN ALL-NEW SISTERHOOD! The X-Men have taken down super villains, aliens and their own future selves…but never all at the same time! Lady Deathstrike has put together an all new Sisterhood, her own illuminati to take down the X-Men and take over the world. Recruiting the likes of Typhoid Mary and Enchantress, her cabal go on a global hunt for the most powerful of them all…an enemy who holds the X-Men responsible for her almost-destruction. Meanwhile, M settles in and Rachel comes to terms with her relationship with Sublime.

32 PGS. (EACH)/Rated T+ …$3.99 (EACH)

#46 Posted by XsPectre28 (719 posts) - - Show Bio

@xspectre28 said:

nooooo, just use the young avengers

Exactly! The same thing they should have done with the X-Men!

yes i like being able to see jean again but for all this hope coulda just been jean grey resurrected but had the powers of the collective up until second coming which explained her powers but after she unleashed the phoenix in AVX she coulda just became jean. all new x-men is causing timeline issues

#47 Posted by BrokenSpear (189 posts) - - Show Bio

@grenadeflow:

Someone getting a group of villains together to take down their mutual enemies is hardly a new idea and certainly not exclusive to the avengers.

#48 Posted by GrenadeFlow (1426 posts) - - Show Bio

@grenadeflow:

Someone getting a group of villains together to take down their mutual enemies is hardly a new idea and certainly not exclusive to the avengers.

and time traveling isn't exclusive to the X-Men

#49 Posted by BrokenSpear (189 posts) - - Show Bio

@grenadeflow:

Never said that it was; but the writer himself said he's ripping off of Bendis's concept. It's not like I'm just making isht up.

#50 Posted by GrenadeFlow (1426 posts) - - Show Bio

@brokenspear: They just said that because they don't want to give away the plot