@dman1366: bend over i'll show you what butthurt means.
@blacharrt1 said:
@veitha said:
@blacharrt1: it's not only Bendis, but also Waid, Aaron and a bunch of other Marvel writers who are following the storyline. Now the present can be altered by altering the past, it's a new rule, but this doesn't mean that they won't fix it(I'm pretty sure that this will be part of the new big events or of titles as Guardians of The Galaxy or Indestructible Hulk).
And it was never stated clearly that Young Cyke and Old Cyke are from different realities, it was hint but never really stated.
That's the point, this is the problem with Bendis and Marvel for following his stupid ideas. You have literally decades of a standard principle in marvel, and this knob come over created a very weak plot that leads nowhere then turns it into a dumb event. Seriously there are several people in the X-men who can manipulate and travel through time, if they really wanted to resolved this problem and if scott really wanted to end this he could tell magik, or tempus to send them back. And instantly it would be done. There was no real point in bringing the younger versions to the present, a lame excuse for a supposedly dying beast (a lot of build for nothing) to convince scott... really... you can't think of anything else beast.. you're a genius and you think tampering with time is the best idea... really? This was even pointed out to him when he first did it. It's dumb. And leave it to Bendis to use the Avengers in order to pull this off.
It doesn't have to be stated because that was the president in time travel affecting the past does not affect the present and creates alternate reality. This has been explored several times with Rachel, Legion, Cable, Bishop countless times, Jamie Maddox etc etc. It was done to death in the Exiles it was the whole reason they existed. Until Bendis comes a long and decides to change it. So unless you know nothing of X-men mythos then of course it needs to be spelled out for you that they shouldn't be the same person.
There's nothing that says that the old "time travel produces an alternate reality" thing doesn't stand. However, since the boundaries of the entire multiverse are weak (again) there's nothing that says that affects can't bleed over, which is why Young Cyke threatened current Cyke when in the past, such a thing couldn't happen.
On top of the broken time stream messing with the boundaries of universes, you also have broken Superflows and White Events that are also messing with how the multiverse functions. There's a billion different cosmic things going on in Marvel right now, and they're all contributing to the overall condition of the current Marvel U. You can't single out one thing when there's half a dozen things going on.
Actually that's not true at all. if the old rules stood, then young Scott isn't Older Scott from the past of 616, just a younger version from an alternate dimension. There are several beings who can actually link 1 character to their other dimensional selves this has been done a couple times but it's always done by very high level cosmic beings, or beings with enough psionic power to bridge dimensions. And it's never done for an extended time or maintained permanently that I've ever seen. Nate Grey as Shaman was able to reassemble someone's memories by using the person from other dimensions and connect them. However, they were all still separate individual and lives did not intersect. The old rules clearly state that going back in the past, or changing the past, does not affect the present, but creates an alternate reality, meaning they would not be the same people in the same reality. Beast has already tampered with and changed their past, so that the young x-men traveled to the 616 present, that never happened to the original x-men. Jean never came into contact with the phoenix at that young of an age, Current Jean is still in the White Hot room, so then the Future Jean being the current young jean doesn't really make sense that she can't control her powers, she stated clearly that because she was brought to the present and her powers developed to quickly they are now out of control. That never happened to 616 Jean. Could POTWC possibly resolve this like she did the baby universe easily, yup. Again there are several people on the roster who could easily resolve this problem for some stupid reason they just don't. But anyway, so if the old rules were in place young scott can not be older scott. However as i said Bendis just fubarred it.
As far as the universal events going on, it's all leading to something very much like crisis of infinite earth. universes collading with each other destroying both universes, the white event system is out of whack, leading the creators to destroy earth which of course is the focal point.... But that has nothing to really do with time. Time for each universe is different, although some universes clearly run parallel of the 616 timelines others do not.. Exiles, Ultimates, and AoA are very good examples of that, some universes the x-men and others are younger, some older, some dead. So the timeline itself is connected to the universe they are actively occupying.
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