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Posted by Teerack (5816 posts) 1 year, 1 month ago

Poll: Wonder Woman - Pants or Panties? (113 votes)

Pants 52%
Panties 48%

#1 Posted by Nahuel (391 posts) - - Show Bio

I think this is pointless, because she needs a complete costume redesign... that costume obiusly can't hold those boobies and she fights like theres no tomorrow.

She should wear an armor or something closer to the Injustice design, not just focus on the pants

#2 Edited by Teerack (5816 posts) - - Show Bio

It such a shame they decided to not go with this Pre New 52, New 52 teaser design.

#3 Edited by theOVOXO (94 posts) - - Show Bio

Cliff Chiang's Divine Armor beats out both of Lee's design in my opinion

#4 Posted by The_Tree (7283 posts) - - Show Bio

Out of these two, I'd go with the pants. If it were my way, she's be wearing a gladiator-esque skirt.

#5 Edited by Dernman (14960 posts) - - Show Bio

Visually I like the pants better.

#6 Posted by Dernman (14960 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_tree said:

Out of these two, I'd go with the pants. If it were my way, she's be wearing a gladiator-esque skirt.

It's not a skirt. I forget what it's called though.

#7 Posted by RDClip (1129 posts) - - Show Bio

Give her some pants and shoulder straps

#8 Posted by Pokeysteve (8252 posts) - - Show Bio

Shorts for the books but a movie will probably need pants. It's the top half they should be worried about.

#9 Posted by jumpstart55 (2276 posts) - - Show Bio

Definitely Pants. I mean it did work for Mrs Marvel imo.

#10 Posted by MartianManhunterIsBetterThanCyborg (2230 posts) - - Show Bio

pants

#11 Posted by Teerack (5816 posts) - - Show Bio

@theovoxo said:

Cliff Chiang's Divine Armor beats out both of Lee's design in my opinion

I call that outfit World War Wonder Woman.

#12 Posted by TAneT62 (1060 posts) - - Show Bio

Her outfit is to iconic to change it, especially in a film, people would expect her original outfit ... I actually love the New 52 outfit, the colour change is great.

#13 Posted by Aiden Cross (15562 posts) - - Show Bio

Skirt

#14 Posted by Teerack (5816 posts) - - Show Bio

@tanet62 said:

Her outfit is to iconic to change it, especially in a film, people would expect her original outfit ... I actually love the New 52 outfit, the colour change is great.

I disagree and so does most of Hollywood. When ever talk of her costume is mentioned its pretty much agreed that they CAN'T use her panties bottom outfit in live action anymore because it's too skimpy. That why they didn't use it in the most recent live action film awhile ago.

#15 Posted by TDK_1997 (14686 posts) - - Show Bio

With that costume - pants.

#16 Edited by CrouchingTiger (148 posts) - - Show Bio

Neither

#17 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (33019 posts) - - Show Bio

She needs to dress like a god damn Roman/Greek warrior!!!!!

EDIT: this

@theovoxo said:

Cliff Chiang's Divine Armor beats out both of Lee's design in my opinion

#18 Edited by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

'Panties', if you'd call it that. Looks a lot better in my opinion - the pants just look weird.

#19 Posted by ssbm (92 posts) - - Show Bio

pants

#20 Posted by SCORPIO_CASSADINE (727 posts) - - Show Bio

@theovoxo said:

Cliff Chiang's Divine Armor beats out both of Lee's design in my opinion

That's the tackiest Wonder Woman armor ever created. The skirt looks like fence pickets, the stars are anemic and the sandals appear orthopedic.

You know immediately when someone calls the shorts "panties" how they feel about them. I'm a WW purist so I prefer the shorts, but with the New 52 redesign pants are best.

#21 Posted by dmessmer (365 posts) - - Show Bio

I've never been a fan of her wearing armor - it seems to make the bracelets kind of redundant. And in recent incarnations, her skin is hard like Superman's, so what good does a piece of metal do for her?

As for the top half - the outfit would be fine if they'd just stop making her boobs so ridiculously large. As this awesome (and thus too good to be true) fan trailer proves - the traditional outfit (with a few small adjustments) could be made to work if they put the right body type into it:

http://io9.com/5987273/this-wonder-woman-movie-trailer-is-too-good-to-be-true-literally

#22 Edited by The Stegman (23931 posts) - - Show Bio

I find it weird that all of the JL get cool armor redesigns and WW is more or less the same. I think she needs armor, something like what Donna Troy wore.

#23 Edited by SCORPIO_CASSADINE (727 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Posted by blkson (785 posts) - - Show Bio

pants.

#25 Posted by dmessmer (365 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Posted by DEGRAAF (7876 posts) - - Show Bio

I fidn it weird that all of the JL get cool armor redesigns and WW is more or less the same. I think she needs armor, something like what Donna Troy wore.

Yeah i really like this one. Out of the two options in the poll i actually voted for the panties but the pants make way more sense. I agree though she should be in more ancient Greek garb. She can be up with the times and wear things reminiscent of ancient Greek and Roman times (shirts that fall the same way toga type clothing would have or dresses basically just strapped to her) But in any battle she should be wearing her Amazonian armor

#27 Posted by SCORPIO_CASSADINE (727 posts) - - Show Bio

She's not a sex object, she's sexy, there's a huge difference. A sex object is an empty cypher that only exists to provide pleasure. Michelle Obama is sexy because she's intelligent, strong, confident and beautiful. Wonder Woman shares those traits, plus she has a great rack. What's wrong with celebrating that?

#28 Posted by Hawk80 (351 posts) - - Show Bio

She's not a sex object, she's sexy, there's a huge difference. A sex object is an empty cypher that only exists to provide pleasure. Michelle Obama is sexy because she's intelligent, strong, confident and beautiful. Wonder Woman shares those traits, plus she has a great rack. What's wrong with celebrating that?

What's wrong? This: lots of people can't tell the difference between sex object and sexy.

#29 Edited by SCORPIO_CASSADINE (727 posts) - - Show Bio

That's their problem, not mine.

#30 Posted by Teerack (5816 posts) - - Show Bio

She's not a sex object, she's sexy, there's a huge difference. A sex object is an empty cypher that only exists to provide pleasure. Michelle Obama is sexy because she's intelligent, strong, confident and beautiful. Wonder Woman shares those traits, plus she has a great rack. What's wrong with celebrating that?

You think Michelle Obama is sexy? ewww

#31 Posted by SCORPIO_CASSADINE (727 posts) - - Show Bio

Hell yeah she's sexy!

What?

#32 Posted by Teerack (5816 posts) - - Show Bio
#33 Posted by ltbrd (561 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see any reason why her outfit can't be closer than my ancient greek warrior friend here (sans helmet and weaponry) with a few adjustments:

- Take away the undershirt, or at least get rid of the sleeves even if there is clearly dark blue clothe under the torso armor)

- Keep the cuirass skin tight with the same dark red and silver color scheme as it is now

- Make the short dark blue with silver stripe (the only star should be on her tiara, I personally don't like the star-pattern pants design)

- Shorten the greaves so they don't go above the knees and make them dark red with silver outline

- Sandals instead of boots

- Plain silver bracelets

- Plain, silver tiara with red star on the front

Done. Nice, simple, related to her origin, not a swim suit, can work for both comics and live action.

Why is that so hard when everyone else is getting redesigns?

Black Canary lost her fishnets

#34 Posted by warlock360 (28050 posts) - - Show Bio
#35 Posted by dmessmer (365 posts) - - Show Bio

She's not a sex object, she's sexy, there's a huge difference. A sex object is an empty cypher that only exists to provide pleasure. Michelle Obama is sexy because she's intelligent, strong, confident and beautiful. Wonder Woman shares those traits, plus she has a great rack. What's wrong with celebrating that?

You were so on the verge of making a good point and then... "plus she has a great rack," which basically boils down to the notion that despite her intelligence, strength, confidence, and beauty, what really makes her Wonder Woman is that we can stare at her boobs.

I'm not saying she has to be completely flat chested, but in the picture that started this thread her boobs are freakishly disproportionate to the rest of her body. Apparently they do breast implant surgeries on Themyscira?

#36 Posted by theOVOXO (94 posts) - - Show Bio

If im mistaken didn't Leonidas fight wearing leather breifs in 300 and commando in the graphic novel? So whats the big deal when a male character wore less than her while fighting. Also, DR. MANHATTAN!!! Yeah nuff said.

The problem with the "panties" outfit is that it has been overspecialized for the past few years.

However, Cliff Chiang's new 52 outfit has a higher bust line where they cover the breasts so they wont expose cleavage nor fall out.

No exposed bum and the briefs stop at an appropriate level
Even when upside down, there is still no exposed part of the bum
Not a Gina Carano fan but the shorts she's wearing is appropriate for the other mma fighters to brawl in. So the shorts on the outfit should be like these.

#37 Edited by dmessmer (365 posts) - - Show Bio

@theovoxo: Great points all around. It's possible to be sexy and practical/kick-ass at the same time.

#38 Edited by lilben42 (2530 posts) - - Show Bio

@theovoxo: Yeah! They should stick with Cliff Chaings.

#39 Edited by lilben42 (2530 posts) - - Show Bio

My problem with pants is that she doesn't look as good kicking butt and overall. But I like the waist design in this picture. How the skirt covers the back but doesn't cover the whole front its perfect!

#40 Posted by Black_Claw (2968 posts) - - Show Bio

Pants. But since she is an amazon with heavy ties to Greek Mythology, I'd love it if she had an ancient warrior skirt on.

#41 Posted by drgnx (3562 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes lose the bathing suit!

#42 Posted by Vitality (1762 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

It such a shame they decided to not go with this Pre New 52, New 52 teaser design.

This^

I personally think she is so much sexier and badass with these pants.

#43 Posted by drgnx (3562 posts) - - Show Bio

@lilben42 said:

My problem with pants is that she doesn't look as good kicking butt and overall. But I like the waist design in this picture. How the skirt covers the back but doesn't cover the whole front its perfect!

I like the costume, but change the gold with blue and lose the helmet. Real issue is somersaulting in that skirt would be annoying.

Also the arch of that back reminds me of Liefeld, but not as bad as his!

#44 Posted by SCORPIO_CASSADINE (727 posts) - - Show Bio

@dmessmer said:

@scorpio_cassadine said:

She's not a sex object, she's sexy, there's a huge difference. A sex object is an empty cypher that only exists to provide pleasure. Michelle Obama is sexy because she's intelligent, strong, confident and beautiful. Wonder Woman shares those traits, plus she has a great rack. What's wrong with celebrating that?

You were so on the verge of making a good point and then... "plus she has a great rack," which basically boils down to the notion that despite her intelligence, strength, confidence, and beauty, what really makes her Wonder Woman is that we can stare at her boobs.

I'm not saying she has to be completely flat chested, but in the picture that started this thread her boobs are freakishly disproportionate to the rest of her body. Apparently they do breast implant surgeries on Themyscira?

No. That's not "basically" what I'm saying. What I'm saying is a woman doesn't have to be flat-chested in order to be taken seriously.

Also, I have to add, your idea of "freakishly disproportionate" has an extremely low threshold, which seemingly includes any woman with more than a b-cup.

How is it wrong for me to give a compliment, but okay for you to disparage large chested women and automatically assume they've had surgery if they surpass your severe standards?

#45 Edited by dmessmer (365 posts) - - Show Bio

As I already said, she doesn't have to be flat chested, but the original picture in question is unrealistic. A woman as slim in the waste and thighs as that Wonder Woman would not have breasts that big. And that picture isn't even as bad as many others. Curves are fine, but when only the breasts are huge then the picture is clearly catering to unrealistic male fantasies.

#46 Edited by drgnx (3562 posts) - - Show Bio

@scorpio_cassadine said:

@dmessmer said:

@scorpio_cassadine said:

She's not a sex object, she's sexy, there's a huge difference. A sex object is an empty cypher that only exists to provide pleasure. Michelle Obama is sexy because she's intelligent, strong, confident and beautiful. Wonder Woman shares those traits, plus she has a great rack. What's wrong with celebrating that?

You were so on the verge of making a good point and then... "plus she has a great rack," which basically boils down to the notion that despite her intelligence, strength, confidence, and beauty, what really makes her Wonder Woman is that we can stare at her boobs.

I'm not saying she has to be completely flat chested, but in the picture that started this thread her boobs are freakishly disproportionate to the rest of her body. Apparently they do breast implant surgeries on Themyscira?

No. That's not "basically" what I'm saying. What I'm saying is a woman doesn't have to be flat-chested in order to be taken seriously.

Also, I have to add, your idea of "freakishly disproportionate" has an extremely low threshold, which seemingly includes any woman with more than a b-cup.

How is it wrong for me to give a compliment, but okay for you to disparage large chested women and automatically assume they've had surgery if they surpass your severe standards?

Have to agree with S_C; Example of an extremely fit woman with large bust-line would Denise Milani; A completely natural fitness model. Even with an extremely toned body she is still fills a bathing suit.

#47 Edited by dmessmer (365 posts) - - Show Bio

First, regarding the "reality" of that model's chest - I have very serious doubts. But even if they are real, the fact that one woman has that body shape doesn't mean that every depiction of Wonder Woman (and most other comic females) should follow suit. And the fact that comics so often depict women that way is clearly motivated by a desire to play to male fantasies - that's why we have the term "cheesecake" in the first place.

#48 Edited by SCORPIO_CASSADINE (727 posts) - - Show Bio
@dmessmer said:

First, regarding the "reality" of that model's chest - I have very serious doubts. But even if they are real, the fact that one woman has that body shape doesn't mean that every depiction of Wonder Woman (and most other comic females) should follow suit. And the fact that comics so often depict women that way is clearly motivated by a desire to play to male fantasies - that's why we have the term "cheesecake" in the first place.

It's obvious you think there's something inherently wrong with cheesecake, and I don't think there is. I see it as a celebration of the female form that's equally balanced by comic's depiction of beefcake.

That's why I picked this avatar. It proves that male costumes can be just as "sexy","impractical" or "unrealistic" as their female counterparts.

Comic books are a fantasy. Everything is exaggerated, overblown and hyped up to be more aesthetically appealing and there's nothing wrong with that.

I still maintain that Jim Lee's Wonder Woman pic is tasteful, proportionate and in keeping with the medium, despite any qualms you may have about it.

#49 Edited by Teerack (5816 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly Superman and Batman have arguably more revealing outfits, considering the artist still draw every muscle line as if they were completely naked anyway.... and BOTH men and women are drawn to an unrealistic physical standard in terms of body and looks, so trying to argue about the outfit being inappropriate one way is beyond moot unless you don't want to think rationally and fairly.

#50 Posted by Nerd Of A Hero (862 posts) - - Show Bio

She'll look better and heroic fighting a villain with a "skirt" than going out with a villain with her "panties". You'd think it would work with her wearing "pants" but looking at her in the Injustice: Gods among us comics, she didn't feel like Wonder Woman (Or even Amazon like warrior) to me.