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#1  Edited By redwingx

I'm really suprised that she isn't.

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should she be bisexual?

my answer is.........

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#3  Edited By redwingx

Apparently Gail Simone said that she was pre52.

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I thought it was always implied that she is.

Many versions have her making subtle comments on her sexuality.

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#5  Edited By Fallschirmjager

Its all ready basically been heavily implied.

There's basically zero way the amazons don't bone each other - at least on a semi regular basis. Most warrior societies had homosexual relationships with each other too. (Spartans for example, being one of the famous ones)

Frankly I wouldn't mind if they pushed it moreso though since I find every one of her male "romances" incredibly bad be it Trevor, Batman or Superman. They all suck

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I always got the feeling that hardcore Wonder WOman fans wanted her to be a lesbian.

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Eh, whatever. We may never know

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Pre52 she was straight. She dated men and there is no way she was sleeping with other Amazons who all considered her their daughter and were literally thousands of years older than her. Clearly there are lesbian relationships amongst the Amazons, but not all are lesbians. Hippolyta was having sex with at least Wild Cat when she was out in the world of men and Diana dated several men over the years. Fans seemed to want a romantic relationship with Artemis (Amazon not Goddess), but it was never explored.

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Well Wondy does love both men and women but as to how physical it becomes that's a different story.

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i wouldn't mind to be honest

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Of course she should be. One of the major themes in the Wonder Woman books is about sexual orientation, gender-inequality, and discrimination in general. If the X-Men can have bisexual and gay characters, so can WW. And more importantly, yeah I think Diana, at least young Diana, had homosexual relations with some of the Amazons on Themyscira, it's only logical; she is unique among the rest by being one who grew up there. In other words, she had her puberty there. Not only should she BE bisexual, but there should be a specific story that EXPLORES her bisexuality.

Which leads me to an even bigger question: if Diana is portrayed as a bisexual, but then she settles with her male-partner, would that offend bisexual readers?

(and I don't count on Batman or Superman to be her male partners because it's a shameful way of relegating her as "Batman's Girlfriend" or "Superman's Girlfriend" status, she has existed as a sexual and emotionally fulfilled character BEFORE DC wrote a single crossover with their two other big-shots to sell magazines. I still love what Alan Moore did in For the Man Who Has Everything -- he was bold enough to address the fact that our superheroes are sexual beings, but they are also adults about it)

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#16  Edited By dshipp17

@navetorment said:

Of course she should be. One of the major themes in the Wonder Woman books is about sexual orientation, gender-inequality, and discrimination in general. If the X-Men can have bisexual and gay characters, so can WW. And more importantly, yeah I think Diana, at least young Diana, had homosexual relations with some of the Amazons on Themyscira, it's only logical; she is unique among the rest by being one who grew up there. In other words, she had her puberty there. Not only should she BE bisexual, but there should be a specific story that EXPLORES her bisexuality.

Which leads me to an even bigger question: if Diana is portrayed as a bisexual, but then she settles with her male-partner, would that offend bisexual readers?

(and I don't count on Batman or Superman to be her male partners because it's a shameful way of relegating her as "Batman's Girlfriend" or "Superman's Girlfriend" status, she has existed as a sexual and emotionally fulfilled character BEFORE DC wrote a single crossover with their two other big-shots to sell magazines. I still love what Alan Moore did in For the Man Who Has Everything -- he was bold enough to address the fact that our superheroes are sexual beings, but they are also adults about it)

Sorry, but the Wonder Woman book is not about sexual orientation, scarcely addresses gender-inequality, and is not about discrimination, in general; the X-Men is mostly certainly about discrimination in general. I've actually mentioned several times that the book should probably focus more on gender topics, beginning by making Dr. Psycho Wonder Woman's Joker or Lex Luthor; if it were focused on gender topics, Dr. Psycho should be a well established Wonder Woman villain, yet his relation with Wonder Woman, from Wonder Woman's perspective is very vague, and extrapolation is usually necessary to describe Dr. Psycho as a Wonder Woman villain; thus, attention should be devoted to establishing Dr. Psycho as a Wonder Woman villain. Since Wonder Woman has always been portrayed as heterosexual, she should remain heterosexual; she does appear to be accepting of bisexual and homosexual relations, but mostly in recent Wonder Woman issues such as in Rucka's run, and later, in Simone's run.

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@redwingx said:

Apparently Gail Simone said that she was pre52.

Gail Simone said she was bi? Was there any statements/hints shown in her WW title? I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'm just interested.

From what I recall other writers such as Greg Rucka weren't allowed to change her sexual orientation, but wanted to. So far we've only seen innuendo evidence that was presented.

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@redwingx said:

Apparently Gail Simone said that she was pre52.

Gail Simone said she was bi? Was there any statements/hints shown in her WW title? I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'm just interested.

From what I recall other writers such as Greg Rucka weren't allowed to change her sexual orientation, but wanted to. So far we've only seen innuendo evidence that was presented.

It's possible that the higher ups at DC didn't let them but I think there's more reasons then that. I think it's fair to say that when Perez did his reboot that the world wasn't ready for a bisexual Wonder Woman or at least the editors didn't think it was. The problem is that when the world was more ready that Wonder Woman had already spent so much time presented as nothing but straight. If Wonder Woman but bi or pansexual I don't think she'd be someone who's have figured it out later in life, and she wouldn't have been in the closet about it either. One solution would have been to just pretend like she'd been bi the whole time but that doesn't seem like a very satisfactory way to go about it.

Certainly there are a lot of fans who want Wonder Woman to be bisexual, and even a good about of writers who hinted about, or even came out and said that's how they think of her. With her message of compassion and understands, and as well as her tendency to be an outsider I think it would be fitting for Wonder Woman to part of the queer community. Certainly those are the kinds of thinks that have drawn a lot of the LGBT crowd into her fan base. I'd agree with @csg_cl that she she wouldn't have any relationship with the other Amazons since they were all much older then her, but in the reboot she is no longer the only child so it could have happened in this version. The reboot is still fresh enough that they could canonize it, and in my opinion that would 100% be the right thing to do.

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didn't they hint to it before. justice ladies asking how they manage without men and she replies they find their ways.

anyway should she be? don't know.

could she be? sure.

do I care? naw.

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She probably is

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How about it stays a mystery.

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Its all ready basically been heavily implied.

There's basically zero way the amazons don't bone each other - at least on a semi regular basis. Most warrior societies had homosexual relationships with each other too. (Spartans for example, being one of the famous ones)

Frankly I wouldn't mind if they pushed it moreso though since I find every one of her male "romances" incredibly bad be it Trevor, Batman or Superman. They all suck

I like Steve Trevor as her partner. I've always seen him as DC's equivalent to Captain America and a character like that with a warrior's spirit and unwavering integrity is just the the type of character that Wonder Woman would date. It also seems a little superficial for her to date only other super beings so it's nice to see her with a normal human, but having one like Trevor who can take care of himself is a plus.

The main issue is that the only real example of them dating was back in the cheesy pre-crisis comics. Also the New 52 Trevor might be a little closer to Nick Fury then Steve Rodgers so he might not be the best pairing. There might also be something problematic about her settling down with the first man she ever meets but I think they could still date.

Personally I'd love to see Wonder Woman be polyamourus in addition to being bisexual. To me it makes sense that an island full of immortal Greek woman would have developed some form of ethical non monogamy.

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Personally I'd love to see Wonder Woman be polyamourus in addition to being bisexual. To me it makes sense that an island full of immortal Greek woman would have developed some form of ethical non monogamy.

I'd like it... but it will never happen...

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@hawk80 said:

@muffin_sangria said:

Personally I'd love to see Wonder Woman be polyamourus in addition to being bisexual. To me it makes sense that an island full of immortal Greek woman would have developed some form of ethical non monogamy.

I'd like it... but it will never happen...

The way I see it is that most fans never seem to think anyone is good enough for Wonder Woman to settle down with, and honestly I think there might be some truth to that (although Wonder Woman would never think of her self as being better then anyone). I think she'd work a lot better as someone who seeks out multiple serious relationship rather then settle down with one person. Also I think making Wonder Woman bisexual is fitting since the woman she was based off Olive Byrne was also bi and poly.

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If she was made bisexual then I wouldn't have minded, but now that she is pretty grounded as heterosexual I say let stay that way.

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#28  Edited By akintoussaint

@dshipp17: I've been holding in this question for a while but I gonna ask.What is with you and the Dr.Psycho character? Almost every post you make on the WW board incules him in some way.No offense but its kind of strange.

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@dshipp17: I disagree mate, the Wonder Woman books are specifically about gender inequality, sexual orientation and discrimination. In fact, the very concept of Wonder Woman as envisioned by Marston is inherently so. We have to see themes within a story beyond what is discussed in the central plot. First of all, both Greg Rucka and Gail Simone addressed the issue of sexual orientation in their takes: Rucka's ambassador Diana acknowledged that she was open to both men and women as her partners, but they never made that point explicit. However, that doesn't mean that the very fact that a "feminist superheroine" saying those words negates them as themes, in fact they assure them as themes. Secondly, remember Achilles under Gail Simone? He was an open homosexual male character when Simone wrote him. Simone's Circe also explicitly gave the voice of the radical "man-hating" feminist when she tried to become Wonder Woman, it was a very clever way of showing what Diana's brand of feminism is much more liberal than radical, and that the persona of Wonder Woman necessitates a feminist ideology, but only under Diana is that ideology "heroic" (since there can be radical feminists who are far from being voices of gender-equality). And of course, you have Hippolyta, who was a separatist feminist and has that debate with Diana (and especially in the Animated film, with her Amazons), Hippolyta's separatism makes gender-equality a key theme in the origin of Wonder Woman. As for discrimination, Etta Candy as a "fat-girl" is presented positively, somewhat, and I can't help but wonder if it was Marston's idea to contest the notion of obesity being a negative trait (though this failed with the character, of course, since in her early appearances she was little more than just comic-relief).

Wonder Woman IS about discrimination in general, but she begins with sexual discrimination first. Perhaps the more recent WW stories are not about gender equality, if you meant that then we are in agreement. But I cannot accept the argument that WW as a whole is NOT about gender equality when the central character is deliberately a feminist figure (who, yes, is struggling in a male-dominant media that keeps on telling her stories wrongly). Fans of the character will always say that Greg Rucka, Gail Simone, and even George Perez's runs were interesting and would generally agree that the character and her stories address discrimination and gender inequality.

I apologise for the rather long response, but my last point would be about Dr. Psycho. WHY does his characterisation determine whether or not Wonder Woman is a book about discrimination? Dr. Psycho is NOT WW's Joker or Lex Luthor. In fact, Diana's arch-nemesis has always been Cheetah, and she herself has a sort of Harvey Two-Face thing going for her. Circe is her Lex Luthor, since she manipulates the political sphere that the Amazons are involved with. And Ares, well I can't find any equivalents of Ares in either Batman or Superman (Zod? Ra's Al Ghul?). Psycho is an interesting character, but I always saw him as a metaphor for Marston himself, and if I were to ever write the character, about that awful person who thought that lesbianism seduced children.

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@muffin_sangria: I'm not opposed to making her bisexual, but at this point it feels rather silly. I'd rather see them introduce LGBTQ cast into the title instead of trying to make WW change in that way. Imagine Julia Kapetelis as a lesbian raising her daughter. Or maybe Julia is straight and it's Vanessa who is struggling with coming out ... Lots of options that would feel organic to the title.

I feel like if they suddenly made WW Gay/Bi it would be a sensationalist move.

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@blade_r said:

How about it stays a mystery.

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@akintoussaint said:

@dshipp17: I've been holding in this question for a while but I gonna ask.What is with you and the Dr.Psycho character? Almost every post you make on the WW board incules him in some way.No offense but its kind of strange.

The main reason is because he's a Wonder Woman villain and this is a Wonder Woman forum; kind of like asking why someone would keep bringing up the Joker in a Batman forum. But, you're on to sometime; I'm trying to bring attention to Dr. Psycho. I mention Dr. Psycho because I think people should empathize with him in this context in relation to Wonder Woman. I mention him, because I can empathize with Dr. Psycho, in this context. Are you familiar with Dr. Psycho's origins? It's about his origins, as presented by Marston. Constant mocking by mostly women caused Dr. Psycho to become a villain. He was being mocked based upon his appearance; he's also connected because of how this transformation developed his opinion of women, while the Amazons have an opinion of men.

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@dshipp17: you realize that's like saying we should empathize with Ted Bundy or Jeffry Dahmer because they had abusive parents. Dr. Psycho is not a sympathetic character, he's an obsessed character. Dangerously so. He objectifies WW and wishes to possess her and strip her of her free will. Makes for a great villain, but not someone I can empathize with.

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#36  Edited By dshipp17

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@dshipp17: I disagree mate, the Wonder Woman books are specifically about gender inequality, sexual orientation and discrimination. In fact, the very concept of Wonder Woman as envisioned by Marston is inherently so. We have to see themes within a story beyond what is discussed in the central plot. First of all, both Greg Rucka and Gail Simone addressed the issue of sexual orientation in their takes: Rucka's ambassador Diana acknowledged that she was open to both men and women as her partners, but they never made that point explicit. However, that doesn't mean that the very fact that a "feminist superheroine" saying those words negates them as themes, in fact they assure them as themes. Secondly, remember Achilles under Gail Simone? He was an open homosexual male character when Simone wrote him. Simone's Circe also explicitly gave the voice of the radical "man-hating" feminist when she tried to become Wonder Woman, it was a very clever way of showing what Diana's brand of feminism is much more liberal than radical, and that the persona of Wonder Woman necessitates a feminist ideology, but only under Diana is that ideology "heroic" (since there can be radical feminists who are far from being voices of gender-equality). And of course, you have Hippolyta, who was a separatist feminist and has that debate with Diana (and especially in the Animated film, with her Amazons), Hippolyta's separatism makes gender-equality a key theme in the origin of Wonder Woman. As for discrimination, Etta Candy as a "fat-girl" is presented positively, somewhat, and I can't help but wonder if it was Marston's idea to contest the notion of obesity being a negative trait (though this failed with the character, of course, since in her early appearances she was little more than just comic-relief).

Wonder Woman IS about discrimination in general, but she begins with sexual discrimination first. Perhaps the more recent WW stories are not about gender equality, if you meant that then we are in agreement. But I cannot accept the argument that WW as a whole is NOT about gender equality when the central character is deliberately a feminist figure (who, yes, is struggling in a male-dominant media that keeps on telling her stories wrongly). Fans of the character will always say that Greg Rucka, Gail Simone, and even George Perez's runs were interesting and would generally agree that the character and her stories address discrimination and gender inequality.

I apologise for the rather long response, but my last point would be about Dr. Psycho. WHY does his characterisation determine whether or not Wonder Woman is a book about discrimination? Dr. Psycho is NOT WW's Joker or Lex Luthor. In fact, Diana's arch-nemesis has always been Cheetah, and she herself has a sort of Harvey Two-Face thing going for her. Circe is her Lex Luthor, since she manipulates the political sphere that the Amazons are involved with. And Ares, well I can't find any equivalents of Ares in either Batman or Superman (Zod? Ra's Al Ghul?). Psycho is an interesting character, but I always saw him as a metaphor for Marston himself, and if I were to ever write the character, about that awful person who thought that lesbianism seduced children.

If we look at it from the manner in which the X-Men are presented in relation to discrimination in general, Wonder Woman has not involved the issues that you mention. While the X-Men explicitly address the issue of discrimination, the examples you point to for the Wonder Woman book are extrapolations from single panels, at best. There are a lot more writers for the Wonder Woman book than just Rucka, Simone, and Perez, and, looking at her book from that overall lens, she does not address those issues to any depths; while she has an origin in gender politics, her stories have rarely, if ever, focused on gender politics to any depth. I remember those panels from Rucka's run, and the eventual presentation of Achilles as gay, but the plot for the issues were not developed around sexual orientation.

Comparing Wonder Woman to X-Men, the X-Men have their origins in discrimination; from there, the plots for the X-Men stories are than centered around their being discriminated against; while protecting themselves from discrimination, they have to perform superheroics to protect their surrounding environment, overall; although the stories deviate, the stories for the X-Men always ultimately always come back to their being discriminated against, or their race being the victims of discrimination. In the case of Wonder Woman, she has her origins in gender politics, but her stories have eluded the issue of gender politics, or any specific social issue, for that matter; every now and than, the stories vaguely dip back into gender politics, but at which point, the gender politics are not made the focus of her stories. Sexual orientation was funneled into Wonder Woman in a few panels recently, but, overall, sexual orientation had nothing to do with Wonder Woman. And I can't think of any place where Wonder Woman has addressed discrimination. Wonder Woman's stories are focused on heroics, overall; only recently has the Wonder Woman stories been so focused on Greek Mythology; honestly, there is no core theme that the Wonder Woman books deal with, besides heroics; Batman's central theme seems to be crime; Superman lacks a specific central theme, also, but Wonder Woman's book has been more of a book like Superman's book.

Yes, I agree that DC has tried to make another character Wonder Woman's Joker or Lex Luthor, so that's the point in my efforts to continually bring attention to her real Joker or Lex Luthor, Dr. Psycho; while Dr. Psycho is Wonder Woman's Joker or Lex Luthor, DC has avoided the fact that Dr. Psycho is Wonder Woman's Joker or Lex Luthor; DC should make Dr. Psycho Wonder Woman's Joker and Lex Luther, from here forward (e.g. if necessary, starting with the Finch(es)) and make the focus of her book gender politics, similar to the way discrimination, in general, is the X-Men's focus. However, make it the theme by not making women the victim of gender discrimination so much; make it more of an adversarial form of gender politics; Dr. Psycho, being the victim of mocking and ridicule from mostly women, because of his appearance, versus the presuppositions of the Amazons about men, where what Wonder Woman can't help but to be thinking finally flows out of her character about men; from there, make Wonder Woman sort of a debate post for gender politics; Wonder Woman will address superheroics, similar to the X-Men, but where the Wonder Woman book ultimately comes back to the gender politics debate; I believe that approach would bring the proper focus and structure for the Wonder Woman book, with Dr. Psycho being central, versus trying to make Greek Mythology the main focus, a topic which few people can relate, especially since invariably there has to be a large number of Wonder Woman fans, potential fans, or past fans with a Christian background.

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It would make sense.

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Would never happen, if lesser known Hal cant be gay, neither can Diana. WB would pull Geoff into their office again.

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@dshipp17: you realize that's like saying we should empathize with Ted Bundy or Jeffry Dahmer because they had abusive parents. Dr. Psycho is not a sympathetic character, he's an obsessed character. Dangerously so. He objectifies WW and wishes to possess her and strip her of her free will. Makes for a great villain, but not someone I can empathize with.

I disagree; although I could place Joker in the mold of Ted Bundy or Jeffry Dahmer, Dr. Psycho is a different type of creature; although he would probably like that for Wonder Woman I think that focus would disappear with some attention from Wonder Woman; when Dr. Psycho has worked with other supervillains they have typically been women. So, Dr. Psycho is talking out of hurt, and people should be able to empathize with a person's hurt; it's a matter of focusing on why Dr. Psycho is a villain rather than simply focusing on the fact that he is a villain; kind of like focusing on why Catwoman is a thief versus making stories just depicting her as a thief in the way things were initially (e.g. going more in depth on the Catwoman character and making her motives more complicated and ultimately giving Catwoman her own book; similar to making Joker a more complicate character than a prankster that appeared in the Batman book every now and than).

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@dshipp17: read up on the psychology of a stalker. "A little attention from WW" is only going to make his delusions worse. He's sick in the head, he needs treatment not pandered to. He's a better IMO as a creepy obsessed little man begging for sympathy

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@csg_cl said:

@muffin_sangria: I'm not opposed to making her bisexual, but at this point it feels rather silly. I'd rather see them introduce LGBTQ cast into the title instead of trying to make WW change in that way. Imagine Julia Kapetelis as a lesbian raising her daughter. Or maybe Julia is straight and it's Vanessa who is struggling with coming out ... Lots of options that would feel organic to the title.

I feel like if they suddenly made WW Gay/Bi it would be a sensationalist move.

Obviously if Wonder Woman kissed another girl it would make the news but I don't think it would be that big of a change. Sure if they made her a full on lesbian that would be a big change, but as far as I know they've never explicitly said she's straight, and like I said a large portion of the fans, and even writers already think of her as bisexual anyways. I'd even argue that Marston probably saw her that way.

She might not explicitly state that she's bisexual either. I think she would just start dating a woman and just say that she doesn't care about modern terminology. Anyways if they can do sensationalist crap like change her origin in a reboot, why not let embrace the broader sexuality that most fans seemed to have seen her with already anyways?

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She should be a full blown lesbian in my opinion. Just suits her character.

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@dshipp17: read up on the psychology of a stalker. "A little attention from WW" is only going to make his delusions worse. He's sick in the head, he needs treatment not pandered to. He's a better IMO as a creepy obsessed little man begging for sympathy

Whether that should be the case, I'm mostly talking about developing Dr. Psycho as a Wonder Woman villain in more detail; whether Wonder Woman would just ignore him goes to one of Wonder Woman's character traits; whether she would just try her best to ignore Dr. Psycho is a point that is good to explore; we need to know, what would post-crisis Wonder Woman do in the situation of Dr. Psycho; pre-crisis Wonder Woman handled the issue just swell in issue 160 of volume 1, but that issue needed to be explored in greater detail; we learned a lot about her character in that issue; it's about getting to know Wonder Woman in certain new or little explored situations.

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@dshipp17: I'm sorry but I disagree with the notion that a character's salient features are NOT considered the central focus of her books if the plot doesn't specifically "focus" on it. There are sub-plots, and often there are themes which betray the central narrative itself. My point is that there is more than just one single narrative being told in any given text, and for Wonder Woman, the character because of her origins in gender politics will always remain a figure of gender politics.

I agree with you with the idea that recent stories haven't addressed those themes, but to say that Wonder Woman in general doesn't address those themes is wrong. In comics, most stories are heavily influenced by a simple good vs. evil theme, and the majority of comic-books stories are based on heroics, but that doesn't mean that WW stories doesn't address good vs. evil or heroics from a feminist perspective. She does. Kanigher and a lot of the Silver Age comics forgot that, and yes the character has suffered ironically by being constantly objectified and straying far from themes of gender equality in her own book, but if you are going to judge an entire character's "characterisation" by considering the majority of badly-written stories that he or she has been in, then you're missing the point of comics. Most X-Men stories took place in psuedo-realities and alien planets, most Batman stories were NOT about solving a mystery, yet Batman is considered a staple of detective noir and X-Men that of sociopolitics. Wonder Woman is of the same way, her origins come from feminism and Greek mythology, gender inequality is pretty much embedded into her stories every time she makes an appearance. Does her recent stories lack that focus? Absolutely. They need to be written better. And I agree with your suggestions. What I disagree with is your saying that they were never done before.

At the same time, WW's villains were unique than others by making her this champion of peace rather than an agent of war. She always tried to reform her villains, and in that way, most of her villains are sympathetic figures. The Reformation Island in Themyscira predates Arkham Asylum. But anyway, you and I are deviating from the focus: should WW be bisexual? I believe so, by all means. If her origin stories have alluded to themes of sexual orientation, if the history of her iconography has included notions of lesbianism and feminism (which as a philosophy itself addresses the issue of sexual orientation and bisexualism), then I don't see why we as fans should be upset if Diana addresses those same issues within her book in broader and, as you've said, more focused ways.

The bigger question is, if she really is a bisexual, who should be her partner?

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@dshipp17: I think Psycho is a character that is worth exploring more, but I'd have to admit that sometimes you're admiration of the character does get on the creepy side sometimes. I can get people being drawn to the philosophies that drive Lex, and the Joker, but getting behind a character like Psycho who's basically misogyny incarnate is a whole nother thing. His outlook does put him at odds with Wonder Woman who's very invested in gender equality which makes him a great villain for her, but he'll never be a Lex or a Joker.

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@muffin_sangria: I'm gay. I have no issue with WW being gay. I do however, take issue with making her gay for a stunt. Moulton was a polygamist in practice so it's doubtful her cared about her sexuality all that much, but he did make a point of having her purpose being to follow a man because she was in love. Perez version was far more likely to be a lesbian given the backstory and Amazon isolation. Personally I'd rather have Diana as an Ally given her already complex relationship status which only, to date, includes men. Being a feminist ideal doesn't mean she should exclude men from her life or heart

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@csg_cl: To me and I believe many others I don't think it would be seen as a stunt but rather the natural evolution of the character.

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@muffin_sangria: I think it would be a huge departure from a character who left her home to follow the love of a man, and in subsequent versions has only ever dated men. None of these things have been a detriment to WW. Being gay feels unnecessary, she already stands for equality as much as anything else and as a Straight Ally I think that strengthens her position for the cause. Making her gay would cause an uproar far beyond a simple shift in her origin. News media would have a field day with WW's first lesbian kiss, Million Moms type organizations would call for boycotts ... all needless for an icon that can do more good by having some overtly gay supporting cast.

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@dshipp17: I think Psycho is a character that is worth exploring more, but I'd have to admit that sometimes you're admiration of the character does get on the creepy side sometimes. I can get people being drawn to the philosophies that drive Lex, and the Joker, but getting behind a character like Psycho who's basically misogyny incarnate is a whole nother thing. His outlook does put him at odds with Wonder Woman who's very invested in gender equality which makes him a great villain for her, but he'll never be a Lex or a Joker.

What is it about Dr. Psycho's background that makes him misogyny incarnate? I asked because it seems that you missed my whole point about Dr. Psycho's reasoning and how some people could connect to his hurt and relate to the character based on the issues driving his emotions.