Posted by lilben42 (2541 posts) 1 year, 2 months ago

Poll: Azzerello? Leave or Stay (172 votes)

Stay 65%
Leave 15%
I don't care 20%

I personally think his book is amazing, and can't wait to see where he takes us. At the beginning I had some complaints but I easily got over it by the 11th issue.

#201 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio
#202 Edited by lilben42 (2541 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: This is what your saying right now

Wonder Woman is stronger and faster than Supergirl. She is weak.

How does that make sense? It doesn't.

#203 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@lilben42: Nothing

wonder woman 9

supergirl,8.999999999999999999999

that still close,even wonder woman is "stronger and faster"not mean anything,because supergirl is super-weak too,superman beat her with easily

#204 Posted by lilben42 (2541 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: Haha no because Supergirl said she is way too fast for her. So there is obviously a pretty defining difference between them. Wonder Woman beat Supergirl pretty easily too. She didn't have to try really hard. She didn't have bruises or scratches on her. And that is called easy.

#205 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@lilben42: supergirl says She too fast because she did not experience, and this is a fight response rather thantravel speed

#206 Posted by lilben42 (2541 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: Haha you mean when she used travel speed to speed blitz Supergirl. Travel speed has nothing to do with experience.

#207 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@lilben42: No,i say wonder woman not faster than supergirl but she fight response is faster than supergirl

#208 Posted by lilben42 (2541 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: That's not the part I'm talking about. I'm talking about the part when Supergirl says Diana's travel speed is too fast.

#209 Posted by Outside_85 (8965 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman said:

@outside_85: you dont care it?and why you reply to me?

what is wrong?New 52 wonder woman no any powerful feats,prove it wrong,beat a god?so what?thor is god too,he can destroy universe?we even dont know how powerful is DC gods

not only strength,new 52 wonder woman no any speed feats,no any durable feats,and then no any amazing strength feats,and,we can waiting next issue,DC must be 100% let wonder woman through a hard fight to beat her

Read my post, I dont care to read all your posts in this thread when most of them are addressed to someone else. And I only started replying to you because you replied to a post I made.

See this is where ABC logic actually works, there are mortals (humans and aliens) and above them sit gods, that is how it has always worked, why the devil should it be different now?

And we sink back into the meaningless weightlifting contest...

#210 Edited by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: no the writters are cunts,every character has a power level and they should respect her,they can create good stories without doing crappy plots,you say the audience likes that?,you enjoy seeing wonder woman being humiliated by a street level character?,superman being owned by a wolfman?,silver surfer getting owned by black panther?,you enjoy that kind of crap?,only trolls enoy that because then they can say,"hey superman is weak look,wonder woman is weak look,silver surfer is weak look",but i don't enjoy that,i like stories that make sense with the capabilities of every character.

#211 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@lilben42: Supergirl never say wonder woman is travel speed too fast,she just say she too fast,nothing

#214 Edited by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder woman low showing time

Need more?Dont worry,next issue

#215 Edited by whatisryan (6 posts) - - Show Bio

I think what I like the most about the new Wonder Woman is that I (being new to comics) can get a grip on her and don't feel like there is a huge backstory that I am missing like with the Green Lantern series.

#216 Posted by dmessmer (365 posts) - - Show Bio

I've only been on these forums for a few weeks, but I'm starting to learn that if a thread goes past two pages of results there's no reason to keep reading.

Wow, this discussion has gotten insane. I'm going to respectfully bow out.

#217 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: well some of those scans aren't low showings,the scan where she is hit by misils she wasn't hurt at all,the scan where she get shot was because devastation is her equal in power so she could move the weapons fast enough to shot her,and she has a vulnerability against piercing weapons,the scan where she is at the factory,she was very wekended by the fight with superman,she fough near the sun and took heat vision,she had 15 rounds with superman so her body was already very wekended.

#218 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior: I'm just venting,sorry,I just cant accepted it

#219 Edited by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

'm cant understand why there wonder woman fans hate high level feats,silly?

why your are like a weak of wonder woman?My God!!Wonder woman has a great adversary,katana!

And you and other people just no any response?

#220 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: i understand,i'm just saying some of those scans aren't low showings.

#221 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior: Yes

And people should be read this

Wonder woman never just a skill warrior,they are forgot she has all the strength of superman and hate high level feats

Additionally, Marston had this to say about the character in 1943:

"Not even girls want to be girls so long as our feminine archetype lacks force, strength, and power. Not wanting to be girls, they don't want to be tender, submissive, peace-loving as good women are. Women' s strong qualities have become despised because of their weakness. The obvious remedy is to create a feminine character with all the strength of Superman plus all the allure of a good and beautiful woman."

#222 Posted by divingfalcon713 (282 posts) - - Show Bio

@dmessmer: Story of my life. I asked a question in a post once and the thread has devolved into what people are arguing about in this one.

#223 Edited by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: females don't get a very good treatment in comics.

#224 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior: I'm just hope wonder woman vs katana not become too silly,just it,I'm cant hope anymore for DC

#225 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio
#226 Posted by akintoussaint (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: People don't want ridiculously high feats because they are unnecessary to the story.Just because Superman does it doesn't mean WW has to.Otherwise,the character just turns into a superman clone for chicks.

As for katana,relax.I highly doubt DC's going to actually have her win without help.They HINTED that Amanda Waller paired katana against WW to give her a popularity boost.

#227 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@akintoussaint: If DC really just want to give her a popularity boost.

WHY NOT KATANA VS SUPERMAN???

superman toe with toe fight to katana would be give katana more popularity boost than wonder woman

why always is wonder woman got street level charater?why not superman or other guys?

Why superma must be always has crazy feats?why wonder woman always has poor feats?

Why superman comic book always has more attractive, higher sales?Why wonder woman has a long time agos low sales?

Why superman always has good writer and wonder woman just has a little bit good writer?did you know Post-crisis?

In order to attract, DC let WW shorts are getting shorter, also are called "shorts shorter, higher sales volume."

They do not know this is sexist?

#228 Posted by lilben42 (2541 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: When Wonder Woman tackled her into the ground. She was using her travel speed. At that time Supergirl said she is too fast I never had a chance.

#229 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@lilben42: It is the fight reaction not travel speed,and in the New 52,supergirl is far weaker than superman

#230 Edited by lilben42 (2541 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior: Haha wow you really know your stuff on Wonder Woman.

#231 Edited by akintoussaint (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman said:

@akintoussaint: If DC really just want to give her a popularity boost.

WHY NOT KATANA VS SUPERMAN???

superman toe with toe fight to katana would be give katana more popularity boost than wonder woman

Superman will probably be fighting Captain Marvel because they have a overarching story building to that (The pandora's box thing).Doesn't mean he would be fighting other characters along the way(including katana).Keep in mind this all as not been confirmed yet.

why always is wonder woman got street level charater?why not superman or other guys?

Well considering most of he JLA is street level heros. Who would you have her fight?

Why superma must be always has crazy feats?why wonder woman always has poor feats?

Again people don't want ridiculously high feats because they are unnecessary to the story.Just because Superman does it doesn't mean WW has to.Otherwise we basilcly have a superman clone.

Why superman comic book always has more attractive, higher sales?Why wonder woman has a long time agos low sales?

Because There hasn't been a run that has pleased the Wonderwoman fans universally since Perez. Every time writers tried to part there spin on WW the fanbase gets piss and stop reading

Why superman always has good writer and wonder woman just has a little bit good writer?did you know Post-crisis?

Thats highly subjective

In order to attract, DC let WW shorts are getting shorter, also are called "shorts shorter, higher sales volume."

I don't understand this part.

#232 Edited by lilben42 (2541 posts) - - Show Bio
#233 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@akintoussaint:Superman vs katana and wonder woman vs MM,cant?

If wonder woman isnt need feats,why DC try let wonder woman close to superman strength level?superman one shotted wonder woman,that prove my points,new 52 wonder woman is weak

It's sexist time for DC

@lilben42: I dont want to talking with you,because all that just pure garbage,I'm dont care wonder woman is more powerful than supergirl,what matter?supergirl is weak too

#234 Edited by lilben42 (2541 posts) - - Show Bio
#235 Edited by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@lilben42: Not me,is Marston

"Not even girls want to be girls so long as our feminine archetype lacks force, strength, and power. Not wanting to be girls, they don't want to be tender, submissive, peace-loving as good women are. Women' s strong qualities have become despised because of their weakness. The obvious remedy is to create a feminine character with all the strength of Superman plus all the allure of a good and beautiful woman."

if you hate it,just to hate DC,why superman has so crazy feats,if superman no any crazy feats I would be no any moan,but DC let this silly thing happen

so,what next?wonder woman close to superman or far weaker than him?

Choose one

#236 Edited by akintoussaint (106 posts) - - Show Bio
@powerwoman said:

@akintoussaint:Superman vs katana and wonder woman vs MM,cant?

Where in my post did i say that these fights cant happen.

If wonder woman isnt need feats,why DC try let wonder woman close to superman strength level?superman one shotted wonder woman,that prove my points,new 52 wonder woman is weak.

Where exactly did this happen? Not in her solo title.Call the writer of that book into question then because it as noting to do with azzerello or new52 seeing as they're supposed to be in a relationship

#237 Edited by lilben42 (2541 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: So she needs to move the Earth to be powerful? I've read that before and I agree with him. She is powerful maybe not to you or not as she once was but she is still powerful.

#238 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@akintoussaint: Not you,I mean,DC,DC writer creater a very silly of plot,and no any reason to explanation it why,i just cant accepted it

sorry,My English is bad,my point it's,if you and other people so hate high level feats,i think the best thing is should be depowered of wonder woman,dont call she is powerful in the earth or only superman can stop her,that just a huge irony,when superman lift earth five days wonder woman just lift aircraft,if so,It might as well make her weak,at least that better than irony

#239 Posted by lilben42 (2541 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: Why Lobdell put that lifting the Earth feat in there is beyond me. But Azarello is smart enough not to follow in his footsteps. That feat already caused lots of confusion. Adding more would be even worse.

#240 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@lilben42: Marston say his wonder woman is as strong as superman,wonder woman not just has better skills,she has great strength and power,then ,DC let superman lift earth five days,what can i say?

or wonder woman still as strong as/close to superman

or wonder woman far weaker than superman

DC isnt showing any powerful for wonder woman,what can i say?

I'm say wonder woman always is powerful,has high level feats,Pre-crisis wonder woman moving the moon,Pre-52 wonder woman move the earth with superman help,high-level feats always is wonder woman important part of this charater,Read Pre-crisis comic,Even her creator,almost every issue let wonder woman has a amazing feat,you dont know that

but what DC to do wonder woman?

#241 Edited by akintoussaint (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: Look.Lifting planets is cool.But those kinds or feats just create confusion and have no place in a serious story.If superman is really that powerful then why doesn't he just one shot all of his rouges.Why the need for a fight at all.

One would think that fighting gods was prove enough that she is powerful.But apparently that isn't enough or you.

#242 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@lilben42: So what?superman lift earth weight five days this super-silly thing is happen,you cant changed

Or DC tell us this feat is false declarations

Or just keep up,even it's silly

#243 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@akintoussaint: Fight,batman beat wonder woman too,batman is close to wonder woman in strength?

of course fight is not enough because DC has a lot of as garbage like fighting's PIS

#244 Edited by lilben42 (2541 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: I don't know why you are showing all of WW bad feats. Everyone has bad feats not just her. Plus that's from pre52 from what I remember we were arguing about new 52 Wonder Woman. You have your opinion and I have mine.

#245 Edited by akintoussaint (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: Batman gets plot amour because of his popularity.Do I like it? No.But thats the reality and what the fans want(Batman has arguably the largest fan base in DC).

So superman's lifting the planet feat isn't garbage?

#246 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@lilben42: So,you still hate high level feats ?and call my scan is bad feats,what you great feats?moving the earth?

#247 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@akintoussaint: It's garbage too

but what can i do?DC just let this thing happen,if you check New 52 superman feats thread,he not only has great/silly strength feats,just read it,he's speed is silly too

what about wonder woman?nothing,not only strength,her'speed just poor too,just read superman speed feats,read it

I dont know why batman think wonder woman is powerful.superman is much far more powerful than wonder woman

#248 Posted by akintoussaint (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman:

@akintoussaint: It's garbage too

but what can i do?DC just let this thing happen,if you check New 52 superman feats thread,he not only has great/silly strength feats,just read it,he's speed is silly too.

And that,my friend,is why people(well aleast me) hate Lobdell's superman.The feats of this character are ridiculous. He is way to powerful for the story to make sense. T hats why i don't read it and i don't want that happening with WW. Superman needs to be de powered before i even think about pick up one of his books

#249 Posted by PowerWoman (3364 posts) - - Show Bio

@akintoussaint: so i ask you question

what next?you dont like wonder woman has crazy feats like superman.so,that only a way

Accepted New 52 wonder woman is weak,that can explanation why New 52 wonder woman no any powerful feats,because she is weak

#250 Posted by lilben42 (2541 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: Great feats are anything that isn't stupid. Why do people think that only lifting stuff are feats. Feats can be so much more.